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09-10-2010, 06:32 PM
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           | When you look at the fastest growing areas, it's .com & ccTLDs. Saying that, most extensions are 'growing' (even the crap ones) but the second/third tier extensions are growing at a much slower rate, so the gap is actually widening. Today there are nearly 90 million .com and .biz remains hardly above 2M. Bottom line: .biz is not gaining traction, it's getting more marginal every day. Yes, in case you haven't noticed I have a bias 
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09-10-2010, 06:36 PM
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 | The .SC registry raised standard renewals from around $35 to $95 overnight with no warning or notice. The same thing can happen to other ccTLDs only it could be worse. Standard renewals could be converted to premium renewals, etc., etc. [Sorry. I intended for this to merge with my previous post]
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09-10-2010, 08:07 PM
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| Nobody mentioned Google. To me, almighty Google is the one who decided to put .biz in the dump, and it's still keeping it there. Google is also the one who decides that .info is not as respectable as the big 3. They have a lot of sway in domaining. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/676020-can-biz-ever-have-any-success.html If I'm not mistaken, when .biz first came out, it was marketed as a cheap extension, like what .info is today. And many spammers jumped in on the cheap price and built lousy sites with it. Google then canned both .biz and .info and swept the spammers away, but the stigma remains - till today. It worked though for Google, since .info is largely avoided till today. Underpricing the extension was a bad mistake with both .biz and .info. If Google were to respect .biz and .info and make a public statement about it, I guarantee you, .biz and .info values will shoot up. They have always been shifty about it, unfortunately. In the end, Google and the big spammers brigade both indirectly colluded to stigmatize the extensions...
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09-11-2010, 02:00 AM
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| I think that .biz is a very respectable TLD for business related domains, even better than a .com I see future in .biz it is far ahead than .ws and .sc for example. However, it will never achieve .com/.net value but you can still make money with it, just don't expect a quick and amazing sale. |
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=676020 It's more a case of biz/info domains having far less representation overall and proportionately fewer quality sites. Add in the number of people who have used them for spammy sites because they're cheap, people using them who are clueless about SEO and the likelihood that if you have to resort to info or biz there is probably established competition on .com/net/org.
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09-11-2010, 06:31 AM
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09-11-2010, 06:32 AM
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09-11-2010, 06:38 AM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=676020 I agree with Microguy, there is a risk with ccTLDs like .tv, .me, and .co that one day a government will reclaim their extension for local businesses or kill their golden goose by overcharging the registry which in turn overcharges registrants. It amazes me that registrants pay so much for premium .tv domains. 2-3 years of paying $1,000-$5,000 in premium renewal fees and there is no chance of ever recovering your investment. I disagree with Microguy that .biz or any extension is not needed. There is a market for alternative extensions because people want certain keywords but can't afford them in .com, .net or .org or they just don't want to pay silly money for a site that probably won't generate much revenue anyway. Developing a site that is well known online even amongst niche users is a 1 in 10,000 chance. Most domainers assume domain names confer more benefit to a developer than they actually do. Whether you start a site with a particular keyword on a .tv, .me, .info, or .biz, it makes little difference, it's not an aged .com with backlinks so you are going to have to develop a site that is better than every existing .com in that niche and that is out of reach for 99.99% of amateur developers using templates and Wordpress. When somebody puts money, high quality original content and technical skill into a project on an alternative extension, it can end up ranking well. Vienna.info, Austria.info, and Slovenia.info are good geo .info examples. The mistake domainers make is to over-register alternative extensions. Registering the 2,000,001 st .biz domains for resale is as good a throwing money down the drain. If you have 10 years to spare to get a return on your investment, you'd be far better off buying $100 of shares in a company with some new invention worth a couple of million dollars, forget about it, and check in 10 years if is worth several hundred millions dollars. When I was buying .pros, there were about 6,000 registered. That are now 46,000 domains registered, renewal fees have fallen by 90% and I have been able to recover 1/3 of my investment by selling 10 of my 250 .pro domains. I don't regard a 66% loss to date as a success but from a standing start, there is no mileage in .biz or .info because there are too many registered to pick up saleable keywords and the horrendous illiquidity is not fully priced in to reseller prices.
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09-11-2010, 07:20 AM
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09-11-2010, 07:21 AM
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 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=676020 ... come to think of it, maybe it's just your avatar. :-)
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09-11-2010, 07:33 AM
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All these years, my .biz and .info domains are routinely not indexed by Google if I left them parked, compared with parking those .com - All things being equal. Google does index parked .coms though....except for spammy sounding domains. Need I point out that Google also won't easily index .com domains that have adult related terms or spammy themes like weight loss and teeth whitening IF they are parked. Matt Cutts has never said anything about this.....it's just knowledge gained from experience. Google does discriminate. And you can pick up the signs from these little experiments, quite easily. BTW, .biz pricing is no longer a cheap tld, in fact it is the same as other TLDs and yet people still shun it, because of the stigma originating from like, 10 years ago. If they didn't get brainwashed by the .com brigade that is....many businesses out there have no problem with .biz. I blame Google and the spammers.
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09-11-2010, 07:34 AM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=676020 Never underestimate my ability to kill a topic prematurely Muwhahahaha Honestly though I like the differing viewpoints, it seems quite evident what is happening both with registered domains and peoples ideas that registering .biz is a bloody bad idea all around unless you have the few category killers. I have just gone through every word in the English dictionary to test this, almost every word of value is taken, leaving the scraps and if that cannot help an extension I don't really know what will  And your conclusion about cctld's is interesting too, and I did see that something like Mike.tv has a yearly renewal fee of $5000 Wtf are they thinking??! In that respect I would agree not to register domains from those countries because they are so damn greedy and cannot see that a well priced domain is to the benefit of all and not just corrupt politicians...however can the same be said true of the strongest of all extensions like .uk or .de where there aren't only a few thousand people getting their balls mangled but millions? If one bloke registers a domain for $5000 on an obscure extension who really gives a shit in all honesty? If one million people are suddenly facing renewal fees of 15,000% then that will make headline news, not just in domainer circles but worldwide. No politician can afford to put that many businesses to the gutter 
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09-11-2010, 07:37 AM
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09-11-2010, 01:34 PM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=676020 And, an example as a site owner, I have a .biz and a .info which are well indexed (231 pages from the .biz, 197 from the .info) - both have 1st page rankings for a variety of keywords. Last time I checked, the .biz had a popular internal page of the site sitting in #7 (Just below Amazon and 2 notches above Zales) for a keyword which produces well for me. The .info is fully indexed and brings in considerable revenue each summer (seasonal topic) from a combo of affiliate sales and adsense. If the content is worth being shown to searchers, there's no point in them arbitrarily discriminating because of the extension - it would make no sense for them to do so. Parked pages really don't add value to search to begin with so even when they're indexed few of them will show up in the SERPS like they used to. I still think the APPEARANCE of them discriminating is a correlation to the smaller pool of sites and the overall site quality on those extensions. Your mileage may vary. User interraction is another matter. While my .info doesn't seem to suffer from the "wtf factor", I suspect my biz site does and would get better clickthrough with a more familiar extension (though the first half of the domain isn't helping either.) I may rebrand that site on a .com after New Years, so I'll get a chance to see if it bears out that theory.
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09-13-2010, 10:07 AM
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 | here are the .biz sales last month on sedo alone ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=676020 Domain Sold Date Price Source fahrraeder.biz 9/9/2010 1,275 Sedo zinsen.biz 9/8/2010 1,080 Sedo mediation.biz 9/6/2010 2,579 Sedo portugal.biz 9/4/2010 1,250 Sedo greetings.biz 9/4/2010 4,448 Sedo biostep.biz 9/4/2010 967 Sedo daniel.biz 8/31/2010 1,419 Sedo areacode.biz 8/27/2010 763 Sedo myonlineoffice.biz 8/26/2010 444 Sedo booklets.biz 8/26/2010 952 Sedo clinch.biz 8/25/2010 1,139 Sedo fluor.biz 8/25/2010 631 Sedo roulette.biz 8/25/2010 1,551 Sedo ozone.biz 8/24/2010 2,524 Sedo abandonware.biz 8/24/2010 189 Sedo bake.biz 8/24/2010 2,533 Sedo glamour.biz 8/24/2010 1,897 Sedo seal.biz 8/24/2010 759 Sedo Andalucia.biz 8/24/2010 3,150 Sedo webportal.biz 8/23/2010 101 Sedo kauai.biz 8/23/2010 1,578 Sedo car.biz 8/23/2010 15,024 Sedo euronet.biz 8/23/2010 2,907 Sedo gesund.biz 8/23/2010 758 Sedo partysupplies.biz 8/21/2010 1,271 Sedo sport.biz 8/21/2010 12,710 Sedo holidayinsurance.biz 8/20/2010 1,283 Sedo sverige.biz 8/20/2010 1,268 Sedo political.biz 8/20/2010 634 Sedo holm.biz 8/20/2010 1,141 Sedo ndt.biz 8/20/2010 2,542 Sedo tee.biz 8/20/2010 1,430 Sedo materials.biz 8/19/2010 855 Sedo holiday.biz 8/17/2010 3,864 Sedo Europe.biz 8/17/2010 6,450 Private Antarctica.biz 8/17/2010 1,935 Sedo sanierung.biz 8/15/2010 637 Sedo mailboxes.biz 8/15/2010 4,468 Sedo camp.biz 8/14/2010 1,275 Sedo bangladesh.biz 8/14/2010 1,531 Sedo cases.biz 8/14/2010 1,659 Sedo terrorism.biz 8/14/2010 1,912 Sedo kostenlos.biz 8/14/2010 1,530 Sedo buzzer.biz 8/14/2010 1,670 Sedo uniforms.biz 8/14/2010 1,275 Sedo single.biz 8/14/2010 1,275 Sedo datensicherung.biz 8/13/2010 1,915 Sedo lwr.biz 8/13/2010 643 Sedo offertes.biz 8/13/2010 773 Sedo ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=676020 performer.biz 8/13/2010 1,416 Sedo werbeartikel.biz 8/13/2010 900 Sedo brooklyn.biz 8/13/2010 767 Sedo parfum.biz 8/13/2010 2,307 Sedo lakehavasu.biz 8/13/2010 2,870 Sedo sofortkredit.biz 8/13/2010 1,544 Sedo panama.biz 8/13/2010 8,933 Sedo kredit.biz 8/13/2010 4,793 Sedo answer.biz 8/13/2010 2,551 Sedo ringtones.biz 8/13/2010 6,240 Sedo unity.biz 8/13/2010 637 Sedo ingenieur.biz 8/12/2010 1,292 Sedo alternatives.biz 8/12/2010 859 Sedo keuken.biz 8/12/2010 1,921 Sedo horoscope.biz 8/12/2010 2,561 Sedo mails.biz 8/12/2010 576 Sedo asp.biz 8/12/2010 3,849 Sedo eurosex.biz 8/12/2010 1,286 Sedo select.biz 8/12/2010 859 Sedo the-news.biz 8/12/2010 1,347 Sedo air-max.biz 8/12/2010 2,566 Sedo kroatien.biz 8/12/2010 1,282 Sedo auto-insurance.biz 8/12/2010 1,661 Sedo mec.biz 8/12/2010 1,284 Sedo mediashop.biz 8/12/2010 3,213 Sedo kosmetik.biz 8/12/2010 1,285 Sedo score.biz 8/11/2010 4,516 Sedo grundstueck.biz 8/11/2010 773 Sedo carz.biz 8/11/2010 644 Sedo kaartjes.biz 8/11/2010 2,252 Sedo xxxportal.biz 8/11/2010 1,287 Sedo kniga.biz 8/11/2010 527 Sedo kingdom.biz 8/11/2010 643 Sedo futurestore.biz 8/11/2010 611 Sedo crm.biz 8/11/2010 7,722 Sedo blacklight.biz 8/11/2010 643 Sedo vladivostok.biz 8/11/2010 1,739 Sedo geschenk.biz 8/11/2010 1,367 Sedo meteo.biz 8/11/2010 1,926 Sedo hermes.biz 8/11/2010 12,846 Sedo boatloans.biz 8/11/2010 642 Sedo eha.biz 8/11/2010 1,091 Sedo geschenkidee.biz 8/11/2010 964 Sedo inductor.biz 8/11/2010 642 Sedo cookbook.biz 8/11/2010 861 Sedo hyperactive.biz 8/11/2010 643 Sedo africa.biz 8/11/2010 3,473 Sedo creative.biz 8/11/2010 2,048 Sedo
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| These sales give us hope!  I haven't used Sedo that much to find out how these people find their buyers over there...any tips would be appreciated 
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