exactly

snoop · 06-14-2010, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by bmugford

Pizza.net didn’t meet reserve with a high bid of $100,000, although Jewelry.net sold for $270,000
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Brad

I very much doubt there was any genuine bid of $100k, probably someone bidding just outside of the reserve range.

In my opinion this is a domainers domain. No large company is ever going to use it but for the model to work it would have to be nation wide. The name just doesn't work for online sales in my view. It is a 5 figure name that needs tens/hundreds of millions in infrastructure around it. Maybe it could be used as some kind of directory/coupon site but that isn't going to justify much of a price tag.

***johname*** · 06-14-2010, 10:33 PM

i think its listed as "passed" no bidding at 100k

nothere · 06-15-2010, 03:59 PM

Top brands don't buy second rate domains. If Pizza Hut had pizza.com, then maybe.

*enterpryzman* · 06-15-2010, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

I very much doubt there was any genuine bid of $100k, probably someone bidding just outside of the reserve range.

In my opinion this is a domainers domain. No large company is ever going to use it but for the model to work it would have to be nation wide. The name just doesn't work for online sales in my view. It is a 5 figure name that needs tens/hundreds of millions in infrastructure around it. Maybe it could be used as some kind of directory/coupon site but that isn't going to justify much of a price tag.

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I knew all along this domain would never draw what others had said, no major pizza company would spend much at all on this when they have their own brand......said that last week also.

Enterpryzman

bmugford · 06-15-2010, 08:20 PM

While your point that a top brand might not need Pizza.net might be true, let's not great crazy here.

Pizza.net is not a second rate domain.

Brad

Originally Posted by nothere

Top brands don't buy second rate domains. If Pizza Hut had pizza.com, then maybe.

snoop · 06-15-2010, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by bmugford

While your point that a top brand might not need Pizza.net might be true, let's not great crazy here.

Pizza.net is not a second rate domain.

Brad

Probably the word second rate is not quite right because the name is worth a fair bit of money. Then again it could really couldn't be called first rate because there is obviously much better names in the category.
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When pizza.com was up for sale I thought that was lacking in substance aswell due to the category it is in and the price it got. I found it baffling that a domainer would pay $2million (though the market was still relatively solid when it sold). Obviously though the .com is first rate.

I wouldn't say the suggetsion of it being second rate is really an insult here, perhaps just an admission that it is well down the pecking order and will always be an alternate (2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th) choice for a buyer rather than than being the most suitable name. The name is always going to be a quality compromise.

bmugford · 06-15-2010, 09:12 PM

It might be a secondary option, but it is certainly not a second rate domain.
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The problem is where many premium .NET, Jewelry.net for example (Sold for $270K) have an endless supply of potential buyers, Pizza.net is more limited.

The top Pizza chains that could afford it are branded so well they probably do not need it, and the smaller chains probably don't have the money to buy it.

I just would not call any domain "second rate" that is better than any domain in the portfolios of 99.9% of the people on this forum.

Brad

Originally Posted by snoop

Probably the word second rate is not quite right because the name is worth a fair bit of money. Then again it could really couldn't be called first rate because there is obviously much better names in the category.

When pizza.com was up for sale I thought that was lacking in substance aswell due to the category it is in and the price it got. I found it baffling that a domainer would pay $2million (though the market was still relatively solid when it sold). Obviously though the .com is first rate.

I wouldn't say the suggetsion of it being second rate is really an insult here, perhaps just an admission that it is well down the pecking order and will always be an alternate (2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th) choice for a buyer rather than than being the most suitable name. The name is always going to be a quality compromise.

snoop · 06-15-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by bmugford

The problem is where many premium .NET, Jewelry.net for example (Sold for $270K) have an endless supply of potential buyers, Pizza.net is more limited.

Agree, jewelry as a catgeory is something that works online without tens of millions being spent to support a business.

Originally Posted by bmugford

The top Pizza chains that could afford it are branded so well they probably do not need it, and the smaller chains probably don't have the money to buy it.

Even a smaller chain, I'm not sure where the business model is going to be with the name.

*Archangel* · 06-15-2010, 10:06 PM

I don't see why .net has to be "second-rate." I've always viewed them BOTH as first-rate. I'd be happier with a .com, of course, but in most cases, I'd be happy (just not AS happy) with a .net.

snoop · 06-15-2010, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Archangel

I don't see why .net has to be "second-rate." I've always viewed them BOTH as first-rate. I'd be happier with a .com, of course, but in most cases, I'd be happy (just not AS happy) with a .net.

The valuation difference is very significant. 10-50 fold depending on the name. I wouldn't say the two extensions are anywhere near being on similar levels.

*Archangel* · 06-15-2010, 11:29 PM

Perhaps but you are looking at valuation. I'm looking at usage -- which is the reason domains exist, to begin with. But yes, the steep difference in value between the 2 is there yet of the TLD's (not counting ccTLDs) I think .net holds its own well compared to org/info and all the others out there.
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Originally Posted by snoop

The valuation difference is very significant. 10-50 fold depending on the name. I wouldn't say the two extensions are anywhere near being on similar levels.

snoop · 06-15-2010, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Archangel

I think .net holds its own well compared to org/info and all the others out there.

That isn't saying much.

*Archangel* · 06-15-2010, 11:34 PM

To each his own, I suppose.

Originally Posted by snoop

That isn't saying much.

sdsinc · 06-16-2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

Maybe it could be used as some kind of directory/coupon site but that isn't going to justify much of a price tag.

IMO it's the best option for that domain.
I like the coupon idea.

Originally Posted by nothere

Top brands don't buy second rate domains. If Pizza Hut had pizza.com, then maybe.

Agreed, the major pizza chains are already heavily branded. If the .com didn't sell, no wonder the .net found no buyer even at a tenth of the .com price.

fm1234 · 06-16-2010, 09:46 AM

Regarding that idea, I'd rather have PizzaCoupons.net than Pizza.net ... it addresses a specific consumer desire rather than a general meme. Sadly the phrase is taken in all extensions.

I'm sorry Pizza.net didn't sell; if it had maybe we could have gotten a "PIZZA IS THE NEW 3D! ALL ABOARD!!!" thread going.

Frank

*Archangel* · 06-16-2010, 01:05 PM

Yeah, a sale would have helped my PizzaHutAndDominoesTypoPizzaDomain.info sell for thousands.

Originally Posted by fm1234

I'm sorry Pizza.net didn't sell; if it had maybe we could have gotten a "PIZZA IS THE NEW 3D! ALL ABOARD!!!" thread going.

*enterpryzman* · 06-16-2010, 01:59 PM

I have to say more clearly this time that " I feel it is second rate " it quite obviously is second to the .com . That is being made perfectly clear by the lack of money being offered up to buy it in contrast to the .com.

Money talks and BS walks, an old guy ( very wealthy ) that I knew always said that and in simple terms, he was right.

Most of us " do alot of walking " when it comes to the domains in our portfolios.

I am not saying I would not want to own it for a low price point, I am saying it is in no way the same category as many including pizza.com.

This domain would require a great deal of branding in itself to become valuable on a high level. Money is the key to that, anything can become a brand with enough money behind it. Money helps create awareness that can result in value of a brand.

Keep in mind that these are my opinions and not directives from above....guess that makes my opinions " second rate " in contrast........LOL
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Enterpryzman

*Archangel* · 06-16-2010, 02:30 PM

Well said

I repped ya

Originally Posted by enterpryzman

I have to say more clearly this time that " I feel it is second rate " it quite obviously is second to the .com . That is being made perfectly clear by the lack of money being offered up to buy it in contrast to the .com.
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Money talks and BS walks, an old guy ( very wealthy ) that I knew always said that and in simple terms, he was right.

Most of us " do alot of walking " when it comes to the domains in our portfolios.

I am not saying I would not want to own it for a low price point, I am saying it is in no way the same category as many including pizza.com.

This domain would require a great deal of branding in itself to become valuable on a high level. Money is the key to that, anything can become a brand with enough money behind it. Money helps create awareness that can result in value of a brand.

Keep in mind that these are my opinions and not directives from above....guess that makes my opinions " second rate " in contrast........LOL

Enterpryzman

06-16-2010, 01:59 PM	#67 (permalink)
enterpryzman NamePros Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 106	I have to say more clearly this time that " I feel it is second rate " it quite obviously is second to the .com . That is being made perfectly clear by the lack of money being offered up to buy it in contrast to the .com. Money talks and BS walks, an old guy ( very wealthy ) that I knew always said that and in simple terms, he was right. Most of us " do alot of walking " when it comes to the domains in our portfolios. I am not saying I would not want to own it for a low price point, I am saying it is in no way the same category as many including pizza.com. This domain would require a great deal of branding in itself to become valuable on a high level. Money is the key to that, anything can become a brand with enough money behind it. Money helps create awareness that can result in value of a brand. Keep in mind that these are my opinions and not directives from above....guess that makes my opinions " second rate " in contrast........LOL ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=658820 Enterpryzman __________________ Rapidly learning to Slowly increase earning !!!

06-14-2010, 10:33 PM	#52 (permalink)
*johname* Business Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13,511	i think its listed as "passed" no bidding at 100k

06-15-2010, 03:59 PM	#53 (permalink)
nothere NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 27	Top brands don't buy second rate domains. If Pizza Hut had pizza.com, then maybe.

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Archangel www.randypendleton.com Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southern Ohio, USA Posts: 7,297	I don't see why .net has to be "second-rate." I've always viewed them BOTH as first-rate. I'd be happier with a .com, of course, but in most cases, I'd be happy (just not AS happy) with a .net.

06-16-2010, 09:46 AM	#65 (permalink)
fm1234 NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 476	Regarding that idea, I'd rather have PizzaCoupons.net than Pizza.net ... it addresses a specific consumer desire rather than a general meme. Sadly the phrase is taken in all extensions. I'm sorry Pizza.net didn't sell; if it had maybe we could have gotten a "PIZZA IS THE NEW 3D! ALL ABOARD!!!" thread going. Frank

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