Could Dominos or Pizza Hut make Pizza.net the largest .NET domain acquisition ever? - Page 2

**Archangel** · 05-31-2010, 08:19 PM

Again, it's not only the buyer but the intention they have. I see little point in owning this unless the buyer wanted to show his company was fortunate enough to own it.

But for one, let's not underestimate the possibility of an investor shelling out $250,000 (all the while seeing a huge potential in this, something that's deserving of $250k). Yes, there have to be ppl in this world who have the cash and are willing to take a shot. Let's also not throw out he possibility that a major chain buys the .com or .net simply because they like it and obviously have the cash to buy it.
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Originally Posted by enterpryzman

OK.....I'll throw in one last and only reason I can think of for one of the major chains buying this domain and that is to set up a directory site to charge competition for listings that will never appear higher than their own ads.

Sorry for the synister twist but, I honestly see very-very little benefit to a major chain owning this UNLESS it is a steal. I would say a steal is 50-100 K tops for such an end user.

Enterpryzman

duceman · 05-31-2010, 08:59 PM

IMO it'll end up on a domainers shelf as a trophy. Thinking that any of the top 3 or 4 branded companies would spend a few hundred k on this is reaching. If any of them found it necessary or complimentary to their marketing strategy they'd already own it or the .com.
I'm guessing that all of their monthly marketing budgets are well into the 8 figures.

*enterpryzman* · 05-31-2010, 09:24 PM

on a side note, the site at pizza.com serves as a directory, how much would it cost to create the program for such a directory or is a script like that available ?
This discussion has made me research some of my own domains that could serve as a great address for niche directories.
If you think it better, I can post a new thread.
Thanks,
Enterpryzman

**Archangel** · 05-31-2010, 10:53 PM

I'd prefer if you made a thread for this in a different forum, as this forum is for industry news

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Originally Posted by enterpryzman

on a side note, the site at pizza.com serves as a directory, how much would it cost to create the program for such a directory or is a script like that available ?
This discussion has made me research some of my own domains that could serve as a great address for niche directories.
If you think it better, I can post a new thread.
Thanks,
Enterpryzman

fm1234 · 06-01-2010, 12:40 AM

The apparent inclusion of the search possibly skews the auction results. I don't know if there is anyone willing to pay a quarter million+ for it, but it is not out of the question that if the current owner's patent claims are accurate that there will be bidders interested more in the IP than the domain.

Frank

akcampbell · 06-01-2010, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jaco

pizza.mobi would be no more or less 'useful' than pizza.cc, pizza.vc, pizza.travel or pizza.pro.

Pizza.pro works better from a branding angle than Pizza.net in my view. PizzaPro is a big chain of pizza outlets, there are 120 in Texas alone. I don't see any chains called Pizzanet. The keyword association with .pro is stronger than it is with .net. If you look at the About section on PizzaPro.com, they say they set up PizzaPro in search of a higher quality more superior product over that of the national chains. That's the Pro branding angle in a nutshell.
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If you develop a .net, you are branding your company as second best because that's how it is perceived. If you can't afford the .com, get something different like .pro, .tv or .me and make a statement to differentiate your product or brand rather than follow 10 steps behind .com. Then spend the money you save on SEO because that's what will get you the edge on the .com.

anon22339 · 06-01-2010, 01:00 PM

"more superior" is redundant.

akcampbell · 06-01-2010, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by anon22339

"more superior" is redundant.

Strictly speaking, there should only be one topping on a pizza because everything else is a layer underneath. The pizza industry is prone to exaggeration.

**Archangel** · 06-01-2010, 02:38 PM

Very little know .mobi exist. Practically no one knows .pro exists. I know you're a heavy advocate for .pro and I'm not gonna say that .pro is useless/worthless. But only about 1/1000th of a percent of domainers would choose pizza.pro over pizza.net and I'm pretty sure no business would even consider taking pizza.pro over the .net. It might be worthwhile in a decade or so, assuming the .pro ever takes off. But for now, I think most, if not all, businesses would rather have pizza.mobi than pizza.pro.

Branding the .net as second-best opposed to branding the .pro as "one of the most obscure and unknown." That's hard to choose from.

Originally Posted by akcampbell

Pizza.pro works better from a branding angle than Pizza.net in my view. PizzaPro is a big chain of pizza outlets, there are 120 in Texas alone. I don't see any chains called Pizzanet. The keyword association with .pro is stronger than it is with .net. If you look at the About section on PizzaPro.com, they say they set up PizzaPro in search of a higher quality more superior product over that of the national chains. That's the Pro branding angle in a nutshell.
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If you develop a .net, you are branding your company as second best because that's how it is perceived. If you can't afford the .com, get something different like .pro, .tv or .me and make a statement to differentiate your product or brand rather than follow 10 steps behind .com. Then spend the money you save on SEO because that's what will get you the edge on the .com.

akcampbell · 06-01-2010, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Archangel

Practically no one knows .pro exists.

I have sold 9 .pros since November 2009;
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Switch.pro 2,000.00
Booking.pro 7,500.00
Touch.pro 1,500.00
Template.pro 2,000.00
Calculator.pro 2,000.00
Surgeon.pro 1,750.00
Surgery.pro 1,750.00
Local.pro 3,500.00
Quote.pro 4,300.00

If practically no one knew they existed, I couldn't do that. It's fair to say alot of people don't know they exist but the people who do like them, they are affordable and brandable and that's what any alternative extension should be. .net is far more expensive and I'm not convinced the type ins, brandability, or wow factor justify the extra cost. They have ageing and mindset on their side, I'll give them that, but if I wanted that I'd go for a longer tail generic or brandable .com.

bmugford · 06-01-2010, 04:18 PM

It seems like every thread you touch ends up being hijacked into a .PRO sales pitch.

How about we get this back on topic.

Brad

Originally Posted by akcampbell

I have sold 9 .pros since November 2009;

Switch.pro 2,000.00
Booking.pro 7,500.00
Touch.pro 1,500.00
Template.pro 2,000.00
Calculator.pro 2,000.00
Surgeon.pro 1,750.00
Surgery.pro 1,750.00
Local.pro 3,500.00
Quote.pro 4,300.00

If practically no one knew they existed, I couldn't do that. It's fair to say alot of people don't know they exist but the people who do like them, they are affordable and brandable and that's what any alternative extension should be. .net is far more expensive and I'm not convinced the type ins, brandability, or wow factor justify the extra cost. They have ageing and mindset on their side, I'll give them that, but if I wanted that I'd go for a longer tail generic or brandable .com.

**Archangel** · 06-01-2010, 04:27 PM

Thanks for that info. It really is nice to see that .pro CAN turn a profit. An issue I have is that the extension is still very unknown. It cannot be argued that since you were able to sell .pro, it's a known extension. I've sold .vc, .sc etc for $xxx and that doesn't justify the notion that they are well-known. (The .sc I sold was never developed by the buyer and he let it drop. What a waste of $400). But yes, .pro has its perks but I still don't really see it as the 'it' domain or even close at this point. Maybe in the future, though.

I ask that this topic (the .pro issue) not be discussed any further in this thread, since it's taking focus off the OP's point and this .pro thing is more of "domain discussion" than "industry news." Feel free to open a thread on the issue in the appropriate forum. But let's keep this thread on the possible pizza.net sale

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Originally Posted by akcampbell

I have sold 9 .pros since November 2009;

Switch.pro 2,000.00
Booking.pro 7,500.00
Touch.pro 1,500.00
Template.pro 2,000.00
Calculator.pro 2,000.00
Surgeon.pro 1,750.00
Surgery.pro 1,750.00
Local.pro 3,500.00
Quote.pro 4,300.00

If practically no one knew they existed, I couldn't do that. It's fair to say alot of people don't know they exist but the people who do like them, they are affordable and brandable and that's what any alternative extension should be. .net is far more expensive and I'm not convinced the type ins, brandability, or wow factor justify the extra cost. They have ageing and mindset on their side, I'll give them that, but if I wanted that I'd go for a longer tail generic or brandable .com.

Ms Domainer · 06-10-2010, 02:35 AM

*

According to The Domains, Pizza.net has a starting reserve of $180,000.

It remains to be seen if that reserve is met.

*

hgh.tv · 06-10-2010, 02:50 PM

Can I have a large pepperoni pizza from a proper wood burning oven with some fresh garlic, spinach and green olives? Please with only the best ingredients money can buy!

All this talk about Pizza is making me hungry.

I agree that a domain name like pizza.pro is much nicer than a domain name like pizza.net. What angle and how would you monetize Pizza.net? A network of pizza places? A pizza ranking place based on the city?

**Archangel** · 06-11-2010, 02:22 PM

You'd monetize pizza.net the exact same way you'd monetize pizza.pro lol Or pizza.biz or pizza.us and so on and so forth. And the angle is too obvious for me to post here.

Originally Posted by hgh.tv

I agree that a domain name like pizza.pro is much nicer than a domain name like pizza.net. What angle and how would you monetize Pizza.net? A network of pizza places? A pizza ranking place based on the city?

***johname*** · 06-11-2010, 03:39 PM

pizza.pro is a bit different. A guy with a lone pizza store could build himself up as the "Pizza Pro" which i think is cool.

stoppingfear · 06-12-2010, 02:57 AM

Wow the patent part was very interesting. That alone must be worth a fortune. I'm surprise microsoft didn't do any prior research to suing them on the patent but I guess even major companies do have slip ups.

I'm not too clear on legal work however will the new owner also receive rights to "strip" the patent from microsoft?

Deathstarr · 06-12-2010, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by stoppingfear

Wow the patent part was very interesting. That alone must be worth a fortune. I'm surprise microsoft didn't do any prior research to suing them on the patent but I guess even major companies do have slip ups.

I'm not too clear on legal work however will the new owner also receive rights to "strip" the patent from microsoft?

Actually, Microsoft did try and sue back in the 90s but failed due to Pizza.net running the technology first.

Quote:

Latest Pizza.net Development from Andrew

There is a patent owned by Microsoft specifically for local business search. It is based on “Proximity Search”, meaning that if a person does a search based on their geographic location, the search results respond with local businesses in a set geographic area around that individual.
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Several years ago, Microsoft tried to sue Pizza.net because they were using this exact type of search to run their website and business and generate local pizzerias in the immediate area for it’s users, where they could then place orders, even online. However, the courts found that Pizza.net was using this technology before Microsoft ever even filed their patent, therefore Microsoft cannot enforce its patent based on Pizza.net’s “Prior Art”.

The implications of this are HUGE. This means that the owner of Pizza.net has the ability to strip this patent from Microsoft. Anyone in the search business (which is what we are in), should realize the value of that patent. In fact, it may be one of the single most valuable patents for the online industry. With this patent you could essentially stop Yahoo, Google and many, many other companies who rely on local business search from operating that part of their business and they would have to license that technology from the Patent holder.

Fusible.com - Pizza.net Auction post

hgh.tv · 06-12-2010, 09:57 AM

What did Pizza.net sell for? or what is the estimate on it?

bmugford · 06-12-2010, 10:42 AM

Pizza.net didn’t meet reserve with a high bid of $100,000, although Jewelry.net sold for $270,000

Brad

Originally Posted by hgh.tv

What did Pizza.net sell for? or what is the estimate on it?

***johname*** · 06-12-2010, 11:07 AM

same auction ThatsABunchOfHorseSh*t.com sold for $100

the_poet · 06-12-2010, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by johname

same auction ThatsABunchOfHorseSh*t.com sold for $100

ComKid · 06-14-2010, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by hgh.tv

Can I have a large pepperoni pizza from a proper wood burning oven with some fresh garlic, spinach and green olives? Please with only the best ingredients money can buy!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=658820

All this talk about Pizza is making me hungry.

Speaking of pizza....

How about a conveyed gas burning oven pizza with no fresh garlic and the same ol' run of the mill ingredients. Closest thing to garlic is the imitation garlic butter "like" dipping sauce for .59 cents per tbsp in a small plastic cup.

Just go to Papa John's.

A large pepperoni pizza is 9.99 (just cheese) + $1.59 for 48 pepperoni's. Yes they count them.

If you want a large Papa John's 5 topping pizza it's 9.99 + $1.59 per additional topping (still) but you get 1/2 of the amount/weight of toppings (example: if one of the five toppings is pepperoni you only get 24 pepperoni's instead of 48 or 3/4 cup of mushrooms instead of 1 1/4 cup for the same $1.59. "Sorry!...It's to ensure even and thorough cooking."

)

Papa John's is a rip off and millions of people don't even realize they are being taken to the cleaners.

I have yet to give Domino's a try since they "Upgraded" their ingredients quality from "The Best" to what ever they claim it is now.

Kind of surprised Pizza.net didn't sell but the market is scrambling due to the economy right now. $180,000 seemed a bit steep for .net. I would have bid $xxx.

**Archangel** · 06-14-2010, 10:28 PM

I just baked a pizza.

Still have 2 slices left lol
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Originally Posted by ComKind

Speaking of pizza....

How about a conveyed gas burning oven pizza with no fresh garlic and the same ol' run of the mill ingredients. Closest thing to garlic is the imitation garlic butter "like" dipping sauce for .59 cents per tbsp in a small plastic cup.

Just go to Papa John's.

A large pepperoni pizza is 9.99 (just cheese) + $1.59 for 48 pepperoni's. Yes they count them.

If you want a large Papa John's 5 topping pizza it's 9.99 + $1.59 per additional topping (still) but you get 1/2 of the amount/weight of toppings (example: if one of the five toppings is pepperoni you only get 24 pepperoni's instead of 48 for the same $1.59....sorry!! "It's to ensure even and thorough cooking."

)

Papa John's is a rip off and millions of people don't even realize they are being taken to the cleaners.

I have yet to give Domino's a try since they "Upgraded" their ingredients quality from "The Best" to what ever they claim it is now.

ComKid · 06-14-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Archangel

I just baked a pizza.

Still have 2 slices left lol

Mmmmm.... A good old frozen/baked (Red Baron preferably) pizza hits the spot. Especially when it's $20-30 for a large pizza at most places decent.

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duceman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indy Posts: 2,279	IMO it'll end up on a domainers shelf as a trophy. Thinking that any of the top 3 or 4 branded companies would spend a few hundred k on this is reaching. If any of them found it necessary or complimentary to their marketing strategy they'd already own it or the .com. I'm guessing that all of their monthly marketing budgets are well into the 8 figures.

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fm1234 NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 476	The apparent inclusion of the search possibly skews the auction results. I don't know if there is anyone willing to pay a quarter million+ for it, but it is not out of the question that if the current owner's patent claims are accurate that there will be bidders interested more in the IP than the domain. Frank

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anon22339 NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 125	"more superior" is redundant.

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hgh.tv Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 288	Can I have a large pepperoni pizza from a proper wood burning oven with some fresh garlic, spinach and green olives? Please with only the best ingredients money can buy! All this talk about Pizza is making me hungry. I agree that a domain name like pizza.pro is much nicer than a domain name like pizza.net. What angle and how would you monetize Pizza.net? A network of pizza places? A pizza ranking place based on the city?

06-11-2010, 03:39 PM	#41 (permalink)
*johname* Business Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,985	pizza.pro is a bit different. A guy with a lone pizza store could build himself up as the "Pizza Pro" which i think is cool.

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hgh.tv Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 288	What did Pizza.net sell for? or what is the estimate on it?

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*johname* Business Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,985	same auction ThatsABunchOfHorseSh*t.com sold for $100

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