"Good old Seo"

richrf · 05-31-2010, 09:01 PM

Based upon my own research on Links.com Google is using the source of traffic (e.g. is it relevant to your site and is it authoritative?) as well as the amount of time the visitors linger on your site (i.e. is the content interesting for visitors) as the primary method for assigning SERP. Therefore good content is highly relevant to long-term SERP rankings. Short term spurts can be achieved, but Google will eventually downgrade. Its algorithms and data points are extremely sophisticated nowadays. You can pretty much throw out everything that has been written about SEO over the last several years.

Rich

Nathan · 06-01-2010, 12:38 AM

That being said, if you had multiple sites that are all of unique content but are all hosted at the same place with the same ip... I heard that brings the PR down... Is that true?

***Soofi*** · 06-01-2010, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by rattleguy

Content isnt the king to bring visitors, it is to keep them in and to make them come back

umm what do SE's crawl through when we search for certain keywords? content obviously or is there is something else that we dont know about?

Mesa SEO Solutions · 06-01-2010, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by richrf

Based upon my own research on Links.com Google is using the source of traffic (e.g. is it relevant to your site and is it authoritative?) as well as the amount of time the visitors linger on your site (i.e. is the content interesting for visitors) as the primary method for assigning SERP. Therefore good content is highly relevant to long-term SERP rankings. Short term spurts can be achieved, but Google will eventually downgrade. Its algorithms and data points are extremely sophisticated nowadays. You can pretty much throw out everything that has been written about SEO over the last several years.
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Rich

Hi Rich,

Sorry dude but good old SEO works just fine and I am not throwing out the hundreds of articles that I have written just because you think it does not matter.

What do you think that you have learned on that tacky looking bookmarking site that is so vastly superior.

healthdiettips · 06-01-2010, 11:08 PM

I think Content is the king of SEO because it helps in increasing the traffic to the website.

riazishere · 06-03-2010, 04:43 AM

no doubt that content is king... If you use duplicat content for promotion of your site, chances are when you get the penalty, you will be in a dark corner.

digital29 · 06-04-2010, 11:05 AM

1. There is no point in having good content if no one sees it ( so you need to promote it ).
2. Google does NOT penalize you for duplicate content. But you will surely not have the same success as the original article

trooster · 06-04-2010, 02:20 PM

Content and Links are co-rulers of the ranking Kingdom. It's like a double's match in tennis. Having only one player puts you at a distinct disadvantage.

Mesa SEO Solutions · 06-05-2010, 03:16 PM

I was wondering if anyone could provide evidence to support there position that Content is the king of SEO... I keep asking and all I get is opinion without evidence.

watsonlivung · 06-11-2010, 12:03 AM

I believe content is the king because as soon you have a fresh content on your site the spiders will definitely crawl the site soon...

probafix · 06-16-2010, 03:18 AM

No doubt content is important.

Entrepreneur888 · 06-16-2010, 03:41 AM

Unique Content + properly targeted and anchored Backlinks + Deep Links + properly designed and structured websites

Anyone get hit by the "may day" update?

I had two almost identical sites, both mini authorities, one got knocked right out of the serps, while the other was not affected.. haven't been able to figure out what the difference was yet.

The only difference between the two is that one is in a highly competitive niche and the other was not. The one in the non competitive niche got smoked.

Mesa SEO Solutions · 06-17-2010, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Entrepreneur888

Unique Content + properly targeted and anchored Backlinks + Deep Links + properly designed and structured websites

Anyone get hit by the "may day" update?

I had two almost identical sites, both mini authorities, one got knocked right out of the serps, while the other was not affected.. haven't been able to figure out what the difference was yet.

The only difference between the two is that one is in a highly competitive niche and the other was not. The one in the non competitive niche got smoked.

This thread is not about your problems. It is about content and SEO. Why not start your own thread instead of trying to hijack this one.

Entrepreneur888 · 06-17-2010, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mesa SEO Solutions

This thread is not about your problems. It is about content and SEO. Why not start your own thread instead of trying to hijack this one.

Ok buddy. Your obviously trying to use this thread to promote yourself. Or something by making an open ended statement that you can not back up.

And then attacking anyone who comments, that was rude and uncalled for to say the links.com website was "tacky looking"

Saying content doesn't matter to "good old seo" is like saying a car doesn't need gas.

Pages rank because of the content on them. The longtail traffic that is read and indexed by google or other search engines is what brings searchers to your page. How is content not important? and what is "good old seo"

I have to agree with the other people commenting on this thread you are making your business look very foolish. And the terms you rank for are as one commenter said. Very easy to rank for. If you claim to know so much and be so good at seo maybe you should show us some of the competitive work you have done in hard to conquer niches. If nothing at all, people searching for your business will see and read these forum backlinks to your business and think twice about using your services.

Being someone that does customer service related work like SEO you should be more aware of the public perception that you create for yourself.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=656145

Have a Nice Day.

Mesa SEO Solutions · 06-18-2010, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Entrepreneur888

Ok buddy. Your obviously trying to use this thread to promote yourself. Or something by making an open ended statement that you can not back up.

And then attacking anyone who comments, that was rude and uncalled for to say the links.com website was "tacky looking"

Saying content doesn't matter to "good old seo" is like saying a car doesn't need gas.

Pages rank because of the content on them. The longtail traffic that is read and indexed by google or other search engines is what brings searchers to your page. How is content not important? and what is "good old seo"

I have to agree with the other people commenting on this thread you are making your business look very foolish. And the terms you rank for are as one commenter said. Very easy to rank for. If you claim to know so much and be so good at seo maybe you should show us some of the competitive work you have done in hard to conquer niches. If nothing at all, people searching for your business will see and read these forum backlinks to your business and think twice about using your services.

Being someone that does customer service related work like SEO you should be more aware of the public perception that you create for yourself.

Have a Nice Day.

I am going to make an assumption here that you think that challenging someones opinion on a Forum is bad PR. I can respect that you see it that way.

As for me I obviously come from a different point of view. I support my claims and I expect others to do the same.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=656145

So let me ask this: When did it become wrong to ask someone to support there positions? Did you forget it was a discussion on a forum?

Thanks for your input.

Now, I would like to invite you to visit my blog. You actually might benefit from some of the 400 or so posts of original SEO related content. You might also want to check the Google rankings report for yourself while you are there.

**enlytend** · 06-18-2010, 04:22 AM

I see you're in 5th place (two above this thread) for this long-tail phrase:

mentally challenged like a third cousin than the king of SEO

Not passing judgement, just pointing out a fact ...

And, to keep this on topic, content quality gets a mention in a couple of recent Google patents addressing inadequate content ...

Quote:

[0009]Feedback based on the identified topic corpus can also be provided to a searcher indicating that a topic corpus is not of high quality, thereby alerting the searcher that the topic corpus might be inadequate based on the query provided.

Source: US Patent Application 20100138421(Published June 3)

And more to the point, the patent they applied for in 2007 which was granted back in February. One excerpt:

Quote:

9. The system of claim 8, wherein rankings are based upon a quality of content associated with the topic corpus.

Source: US Patent 7668823

In light of which, I find it a little odd that you said in post #7 of this thread:

Quote:

I have poured over many Google patent applications and I never ran across anything related to content quality.

Entrepreneur888 · 06-18-2010, 05:55 AM

[QUOTE=enlytend;3853915]I see you're in 5th place (two above this thread) for this long-tail phrase:

mentally challenged like a third cousin than the king of SEO

Not passing judgement, just pointing out a fact ...

And, to keep this on topic, content quality gets a mention in a couple of recent Google patents addressing inadequate content ...

I couldn't agree with you more Enlytend, quality content is becoming a much more important part of Seo, after googles last algo' changes it eliminated most of the x-factor and other crap sites that were spamming the serps.

And at bare minimum having good quality content is key for linkbait, and getting linked to naturally,

This being said I think that properly targeted backlinks are equally important. Its sort of a package thing. One does not work without the other. Saying that content doesn't matter is just Absurd. In any shape or form.

---------- Post added at 05:55 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:38 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Mesa SEO Solutions

I am going to make an assumption here that you think that challenging someones opinion on a Forum is bad PR. I can respect that you see it that way.

It is your business not mine, I mean no disrespect other than I disagree with your opinion about content.

And I highly doubt you will find any other well known SEO experts who will support your claim that content is not important.

Ill give you an example,
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=656145

Someone writes a crap or spun article and posts it, or digs it, or does any one of the million other ways that you can get your content onto the web. It goes nowhere,

Now the second example is, someone writes a high quality article that is properly researched and written. The article is then digged/bookmarked/scraped/linked to by other authority sites and people who see its value.

Do you still think that content is unimportant for SEO?

Mesa SEO Solutions · 06-19-2010, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by enlytend

I see you're in 5th place (two above this thread) for this long-tail phrase:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=656145

mentally challenged like a third cousin than the king of SEO

Not passing judgement, just pointing out a fact ...

And, to keep this on topic, content quality gets a mention in a couple of recent Google patents addressing inadequate content ...

Source: US Patent Application 20100138421(Published June 3)

And more to the point, the patent they applied for in 2007 which was granted back in February. One excerpt:

Source: US Patent 7668823
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=656145

In light of which, I find it a little odd that you said in post #7 of this thread:

Thanks for putting in the effort. I really want to thank you for this reference material.

I would like to point out that the first patent reference was published on June 03 2010. I started this post on May 15th. So I could not have known about this application since it had not been published.

As you know it is 17 pages long and includes 8116 words so I have not read in its entirety.

This is what caught my attention is this and it appears at the top of the Google patent application.

"IDENTIFYING INADEQUATE SEARCH CONTENT

Abstract

Systems and methods for identifying inadequate search content are provided. Inadequate search content, for example, can be identified based on statistics associated with the search queries related to the content."

I have read several pages so far and it seems to all be related to inadequate content.

So I guess I don't know what your point was here. Is there a specific reference point that you wanted me to read. I have been doing a search for the word "content" as it appears in this document and I keep seeing references to inadequate content.

So I have to ask what was your point? I have to also ask how does this support your position?

I also want to thank you for stepping up to the challenge. As you likely know it really doesn't matter if I am right or wrong on this point.

My reasoning is this. Almost every seems to be in agreement here that quality content matters. I am simply saying that I firmly believe that content is the king just not of SEO. If we all agree that content is extremely important and we provide it to our visitors then we have done well!

Please Note Content is important!

JB Lions · 06-19-2010, 10:33 AM

Just for kicks I checked out your site and it's kinda funny:

"Google has made it very clear that it does like the practice of buying and selling links."

Might want to proofread what you put up, I'm sure you meant doesn't.

And your whole concept of link building, your Scratch My Back Marketing is nothing but leaving blog comments and you actually said and I quote:

"based on a lifestyle and spiritual principal of giving to get."

haha

I wish you would go post some of this is some SEO dedicated forums and then link to those threads from this one. You would just get ripped.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=656145

I forgot about this comment, one where you kind of expose yourself (among many):

"These posts compete in searches that include over 100 results."

I don't think you even realize how ridiculous a statement that is.

I just picked a bunch of random words, gibberish -

crazy flying camels eating hamburgers and watching blues brothers and getting a massage watching the U.S. world cup soccer get screwed over by a bad ref

put that into Google, guess how many results? About 45,300 results and you're talking about 100.

**enlytend** · 06-19-2010, 12:24 PM

Now now - there's nothing wrong with picking up traffic from the long tail, especially if you're dealing with local search.

But JB brings up an interesting point: Obviously you feel strongly about your position - instead of posting it in a bunch of domainer and webmaster forums, why not write it up in a little more detail, post it on YouMoz and let the regulars over there kick it around?

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Entrepreneur888 NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Worldwide Traveller Posts: 317	Unique Content + properly targeted and anchored Backlinks + Deep Links + properly designed and structured websites Anyone get hit by the "may day" update? I had two almost identical sites, both mini authorities, one got knocked right out of the serps, while the other was not affected.. haven't been able to figure out what the difference was yet. The only difference between the two is that one is in a highly competitive niche and the other was not. The one in the non competitive niche got smoked.

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JB Lions NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Orlando Posts: 992 Follow @JBLions	Just for kicks I checked out your site and it's kinda funny: "Google has made it very clear that it does like the practice of buying and selling links." Might want to proofread what you put up, I'm sure you meant doesn't. And your whole concept of link building, your Scratch My Back Marketing is nothing but leaving blog comments and you actually said and I quote: "based on a lifestyle and spiritual principal of giving to get." haha I wish you would go post some of this is some SEO dedicated forums and then link to those threads from this one. You would just get ripped. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=656145 I forgot about this comment, one where you kind of expose yourself (among many): "These posts compete in searches that include over 100 results." I don't think you even realize how ridiculous a statement that is. I just picked a bunch of random words, gibberish - crazy flying camels eating hamburgers and watching blues brothers and getting a massage watching the U.S. world cup soccer get screwed over by a bad ref put that into Google, guess how many results? About 45,300 results and you're talking about 100.

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enlytend Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,147 Follow @enlytend	Now now - there's nothing wrong with picking up traffic from the long tail, especially if you're dealing with local search. But JB brings up an interesting point: Obviously you feel strongly about your position - instead of posting it in a bunch of domainer and webmaster forums, why not write it up in a little more detail, post it on YouMoz and let the regulars over there kick it around? __________________ Enlytend Solutions - Internet marketing and web development Was my advice helpful? Please consider a small donation to the National Canine Cancer Foundation - a tax deductible 501(c)(3)that directly funds cancer research Last edited by enlytend; 06-19-2010 at 12:27 PM.

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