.MOBI domains - Value? Great Google Search Counts

defaultuser · 10-20-2010, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

It says a lot to me,

-A domain can depreciate by 95%+.
-Everyone loses at some point and you have to balance good with bad.
-Sometimes it may be better to get out and move on rather than wait for improvements.

You said that - "it said a lot to you that he did this in a public fashion." {approximate quote}

We already knew those things you say above... and that didn't require this publicity stunt

I think he did it to show how much money he can lose without caring... Hubris or whatever - not that I really care.

***promo*** · 10-21-2010, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

-Sometimes it may be better to get out and move on rather than wait for improvements.

Snoop, do you really think that this was one of those times?

If your investment lost 96.8% then would you not be better of waiting to see if it would regain some value, after all it cost him 12$ pr year for renewal. It is not like waiting would have bankrupted him.
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To me it looks like the absolute worst time to sell.

sdsinc · 10-21-2010, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by promo

To me it looks like the absolute worst time to sell.

Are you suggesting the .mobi market will improve in the future ? My personal opinion is that .mobi is game over.

I think that the best time to sell was when interest had peaked, that is shortly after the launch of .mobi.
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Given that he overpaid for that domain, reselling at a profit was bound to be difficult anyway.

It's true, you can't always win.
When I let a domain go, I lose one or a few years worth of registration, if it was a backorder I lose a tad more. But I never lost $194,000 on domain names. The decline in value is extreme here.

***promo*** · 10-21-2010, 03:48 AM

Yes I am suggesting that currently is not the best time to sell a high valued domain in ANY extension. And yes I do think he could have gotten more one or two years down the road.

There are macro economic perspectives affecting domain prices atm. Maybe not end user prices, but certainly reseller prices. Land and estate prices are climbing again, so it most likely will not be long before that affect can be seen in other commodities..

Mark · 10-21-2010, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

I think the people thinking it will go for $2000 etc will be disappointed. The .mobi market has crashed but I don't think it is a 99% fall for the high quality names (it is for that for the lower level stuff though). There is still some level of speculator interest in the extension and it will probably still get more than it should because of all the publicity and the embarrassment of it being such a big loss (ie .mobi enthusiasts bidding higher to try and "prove a point"). There is a lot at play with this sale.

I'm not disappointed at all ...I was much closer than many between the two threads (http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/680...ower-game.html) .
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But I do feel some people have learned a little since all of these "LandRush" BS releases of Extensions back to back. Obviously not all people have learned or were watching (Look at the recent .co release [Of course that one could get some .com typo-traffic I suppose like .cm]).

Buying an unknown extension with no promise of "traffic" for thousands upon thousands of dollars ??????? And for some extensions - Paying thousands of dollars to renew EVERY year (Not speaking of .mobi there)????????? I wouldn't do that with actual Development in mind , Much less with speculation in mind.

I hate to see anyone take such a loss ... But I think some good will come out of it

labrocca · 10-21-2010, 08:35 AM

Maybe Schwartz wants to use this as a tax write-off this year and get the loss on the books. That's probably the only logical reason to sell this when you know you're going to lose money.

holyroller · 10-21-2010, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Maybe Schwartz wants to use this as a tax write-off this year and get the loss on the books. That's probably the only logical reason to sell this when you know you're going to lose money.

Yeah, someone mentioned this before. Sounds like a good idea to be honest. Holding it wont make money, but selling it can save him a lot of tax. Saving $xx,xxx in tax now is better than waiting longer to sell it for a bit more (or less).

snoop · 10-21-2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by promo

Snoop, do you really think that this was one of those times?

If your investment lost 96.8% then would you not be better of waiting to see if it would regain some value, after all it cost him 12$ pr year for renewal. It is not like waiting would have bankrupted him.

To me it looks like the absolute worst time to sell.

The real cost to hold the name isn't $12 per year, it is the opportunity cost of not having $6000 in your pocket + the opportunity cost of not taking a tax deduction for the loss you already know you have.

Personally I think there is a good chance the name will continue to depreciate. The potential of .mobi has changed fundamentally, 3-4 years ago there was uncertainty of where it could go, today there generally isn't.

The price (200k) made no sense at the time as well but most of the potential is also gone now.

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Originally Posted by labrocca

That's probably the only logical reason to sell this when you know you're going to lose money.

I'd say it is one factor. Before this auction he wasn't "going to lose money", he had already lost money, not selling doesn't mean he hasn't lost.

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Originally Posted by Mark

I'm not disappointed at all ...I was much closer than many between the two threads (http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/680...ower-game.html) .
But I do feel some people have learned a little since all of these "LandRush" BS releases of Extensions back to back. Obviously not all people have learned or were watching (Look at the recent .co release [Of course that one could get some .com typo-traffic I suppose like .cm]).

Buying an unknown extension with no promise of "traffic" for thousands upon thousands of dollars ??????? And for some extensions - Paying thousands of dollars to renew EVERY year (Not speaking of .mobi there)????????? I wouldn't do that with actual Development in mind , Much less with speculation in mind.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=651972
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I hate to see anyone take such a loss ... But I think some good will come out of it

Agree, it is a bit of a reality pill. There is always people lining up for every new junk tld, none of them have ever gone any where. There is always some great reason why the latest extension is different, of course it never is.

Even people who have been in the industry for a while get involved, I don't really understand it personally unless you are in and out really quick. If the first 20 new tlds are basically failures surely the next 20 are going to be failures?

defaultuser · 10-22-2010, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

If the first 20 new tlds are basically failures surely the next 20 are going to be failures?

What about the highly brandable .web

j/k

geovwood · 10-23-2010, 08:59 AM

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labrocca · 10-23-2010, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by defaultuser

What about the highly brandable .web

j/k

Probably going to be a happy moment for developers more than anyone else. The real domainer value is in high end buyers (end users with deep wallets) or domains that benefit from keyword type-in traffic. Neither of which any new extension will benefit from.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=651972

I know plenty in developer circles looking forward to grabbing cheap new .web registrations for development but if they are in the hands of domainers that want thousands for being middlemen then developers will find another domain.

***iowadawg*** · 10-23-2010, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Probably going to be a happy moment for developers more than anyone else. The real domainer value is in high end buyers (end users with deep wallets) or domains that benefit from keyword type-in traffic. Neither of which any new extension will benefit from.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=651972

I know plenty in developer circles looking forward to grabbing cheap new .web registrations for development but if they are in the hands of domainers that want thousands for being middlemen then developers will find another domain.

And that is what is wrong with the domain market right there.
Domainers who grab domains and hold them wanting way more than they are worth.
And crow about they have this domain and they will only take xxxxx amount.
See it every single day here at np.

gazzip · 10-23-2010, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

I know plenty in developer circles looking forward to grabbing cheap new .web registrations for development but if they are in the hands of domainers that want thousands for being middlemen then developers will find another domain.

More than likely that the registers will be holding the best ones back to auction off to domainers for thousands.

The registers have taken the place of the domainer and the domainers has become the enduser

...the developers have gone elsewhere...or bought the hyphen version instead

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labrocca · 10-25-2010, 05:46 PM

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More than likely that the registers will be holding the best ones back to auction off to domainers for thousands.

I don't think so. That's been failing for all involved.

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End-user aftermarket demand and domaining will break out of its infancy if the average mainstream person realizes he can build a site at Godaddy etc..

Right now no one feels they know how (HTML) and stick to twitter/facebook simple interactive benefits..

That's like saying once people know how to change their own oil then Jiffy Lube will go out of business. You'll never see the average person care about coding html. They will always expect simplicity and it's why Myspace was outdone by Facebook. You would think more customizing would be better but that's not the lesson of FB. People want options and bells and whistles but they want them in the simplest forms possible.
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Are we getting off topic?

***promo*** · 10-26-2010, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Are we getting off topic?

Yeah... But in a good way

In regards to Infinitys point about an explosion in the userbase, I would tend to agree and in regard to your point about users wanting simplicity, I would also agree.

So is that not why WP has won such a large market chunk?

When I build websites for people I usually offer up Joomla or WP. 9 out of 10 will go for WP, because of the ease of interaction.

Also I think that Infinity was referring to domain sales, not Website coding, when he said:

Originally Posted by Infinity

End-user aftermarket demand and domaining will break out of its infancy if the average mainstream person realizes he can build a site at Godaddy etc..

So it is not like saying Jiffy lube will go out of business, its more like saying.. I think that the sale of cars will increase as more people get a driving licence.. And I would tend to agree with that..
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The more people that get their eyes opened up for having a personalised web presence, the more aftermarket domain sales we will see.

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*promo* Business Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: DK Posts: 1,010	Yes I am suggesting that currently is not the best time to sell a high valued domain in ANY extension. And yes I do think he could have gotten more one or two years down the road. There are macro economic perspectives affecting domain prices atm. Maybe not end user prices, but certainly reseller prices. Land and estate prices are climbing again, so it most likely will not be long before that affect can be seen in other commodities..

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