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Jimbo,
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I understand where you are coming from - regretting this post which has caused some bad feelings to surface both towards yourself, me, Redbat, and others.

However, it is a really important post and I for one have no regrets that you posted it.

Cause the question if answered truthfully can help guide alot of peoples decision as to whether to sink more money into the extension or to stay away completely and absolutely.

When someone gives their honest opinion on .tv, even if its not what some want to hear, that is pure gold.

It doesnt happen too often here in the .tv sub forum, and when it does, the messenger and not the message gets attacked and comments go all personal.

So I would have to say I dont think we are all on the same side. There is a small but disturbing pump and dump crowd and then there is the pro sentiment .tv crowd and the negative sentiment .tv crowd.

I have been on two sides of those three fences and the reason is simple. IN 2006 and 2007 there was a very liquid market in .tv, and offers were flying in from every where. (If I had taken all the offers that were made to me at the time , I would have easily doubled what I eventually profited from .tv) now there is an illiquid market and zero offers. Its as simple as that. I have no other agenda than to call it as I see it.
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Also, I have to disagree with the defacto ambassador comment.

I am in no way shape or form an embassador for .tv. I was looking to make money from the extension. Thats as far as my connection to .tv goes.

I once did make an effort to be an embassador for .tv when I started a blog with Kevin from Allthings.TV.

But in the months that followed I quickly saw as did many others that Demand Media were not in the business of promoting .tv, but in the business of strangling .tv through the most insane re-pricing of .tv premiums I had seen to date.

Daly did one tv show where .tv got mentioned for a minute and a half and that was it. Finito. Me.TV was a failure and a total joke. I'm just so glad John Van Der Burgh managed to bite the ass of RR with his sale of ME.TV

And it took how many years before Verisign finally decided to dedicate two personell to the marketing of .tv. Watch.Tv is doing the best she can under the circumstances - but I believe it is way too late and the momentum all too lost.

Had Verisign cared they would not have pissed off Bob Parsons. To date .TV stands out as the only extension EVER to be publically slagged off by the CEO of the largest domain registry in the world.

That takes some doing. Where were the ambassadors then to put out the fire, to patch things up with GoDaddy before he went and did what he did?? Nothing. Not a word, not a murmur and not a peep.

So I am not an ambassador for .tv.

But I will always have fond memories of the good old days. I doubt we will ever see them again with .TV. (IMHO)

RogueWriter

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Hey now, maybe I don't speak up enough, but just to let you know, I really appreciate your informative postings, I've been reflecting upon this thread quite a bit over the last several days.

So, in case it's been overlooked one time too many, THANKS for the info, it is threads like this - without the bull pullets - that make this forum worthwhile.

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Hey Thx Millers.

Yeah, I figured you were a little Hot cuz of some of the previous posts.
Damn Computers!
Can't see the facial expressions w/the typed words! lol

This is my response to Snoop that you were talking about...

"But the high sales a couple of years ago were probably very easy for the big dog .tv holders, even with the fact of some of those sales having stiff premiums.
I am thinking that since they're not turning 5 figure+ profits anymore (just a guess), that they think .tv is now failing."

Ok so like I said, This was just my guess.
Yes, if I tasted 5-6 figures $ in this extension, and then all of a sudden - very little $,
I guess I would think of .tv more or less a failure too.

I see what you are saying about working hard at making that money but I still believe
its a helluva lot easier to work from your Computer Chair and cell phone, then outside Building something or digging a ditch.
So, I guess thats what I meant by easy, lol
I'm glad I wasn't around back then because I could have been one of those who lost their shirts too.
Once I see $$$, and get excited about something, It's full speed ahead!


You bring up a concerning point.
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tv.com's...
I have only bought those as defensive reg's also, but definitely not enough to cover my whole .tv portfolio.
I'm glad tv.com has worked for you but I just figured it was so much more desirable to type 3 less letters conveying the same message, even though it is a .com.

I'd love to see some stats on the differences of the 2: sales, fully developed, etc.

Thats where Jimbo comes in,
He's definitely the .tv stats King!

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freedom30

Really good bit of history that you put in context.
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Snoop(who dat?) also said something that clicked when he stated:

"The extension is what it always was as far as usage goes (niche extension-quite well used in that niche). The domainer market has failed in my view - and was never sustainable. Even during the boom the profits at the top end were pretty modest though."

But damn, modest profits are profits, too. I don't get the ragging about that as I am happy that it is in the black. We all want a pot of gold but sometimes a pot of chilli will suffice to carry us to the next day.

I do understand the domainer market failing for so many, but it hasn't failed for all. That is where speculation comes to play. No one should come in looking at it like a lottery with a winning ticket. But that applies for all extensions, I guess. I'm happy with the select names I have as they tend to fit the extension well.

I still believe that as a niche, a strong and viable one, its health could have been maintained by a better crop of business people at the top level, but it did not occur on this dimension.

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Calling All Video Creators to SxSW and .tv « Watch.tv Blog

This is the sort of stuff that should have been done a long time back - but better late than never!

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To quote David Andrews form Domain.com “.tv domains are a perfect complement to SXSW since they’re the only domain specifically dedicated to web video.”

Very Nice!

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freedom30

Aw, hell yeah!

Man I love Ribs with a passion!!! Love cookin 'em, love eatin' 'em...the weekend is here and the bar-b-eque is awaiting...let's party!

Where's Benzy? Where my ole buddy Snoop? redbat? come on outta that hole and have some grub 'n beer(or booze)

EVERYBODY! Time to NOT get serious and just f*ckin' relax. We kin have ourselves a righteous hoe down that'll last 'till the cows come home. I know we all deserve it, too.

Thanx, Millsey, you jest made my weekend!

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Freedom,

Ya done gone all redneck on us all here, Yup!

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Yessiree, Bob!

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Exactly. .TV was seen as a cash cow by Demand Media and I honestly to this day cannot understand why they were getting paid huge sums of money for doing zip.

One party and one talkshow. The only other action DM was involved in was premium order taking over the phone by people who could afford the zany priced premiums 100 X over (the real business plan of DM) and those who couldnt afford the premiums but stuck them on their credit card bill because they didnt want to miss out on the non existent action.

snoop

Defacto ambassadors? I think it is ideas like this that lead people into making bad decisions, thinking that "promoting" this extension is their job or that they are barracking for an extension like it is a football team.

Go where the money is, make financial decisions not emotional ones.

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I see it as a market where the odds are massively stacked against registrants, more so than any other extension. For the people who made a profit during the boom, they probably would have made alot more in other extensions. For a start their holding costs would have been far lower. To say that a small number of .tv players made a profit (eg 6 figures over several years) during what was a massive domain boom isn't saying much. It is a bit like telling people you made 20% in stocks when the market is up 50%.

Of course when things go sour it all just turns to mud, which is why I beleive this extension has limited upside and very big downside.

*AllThings.tv*

James, you should upload a video. I will vote for you and incentivize others to vote for you, which I will make my number one priority. We need a guy who knows the history of the extension and who can motivate friends and influence people.

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freedom30

Ideas? Is that what you're afraid of, ideas? The money is here, finding it is the hitch. No emotion, just speculation.


Nice to have 50 but I'm not gonna cry about the 20... I'LL TAKE IT WITH APPRECIATION!

C'mon and have some ribs and beverages in Austin, Snoop. You're way too stiff. When was the last time you had fun, besides here, I mean?

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Kevin - lets take this offline - i will pm you sometime over the weekend.
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Im really glad to hear from you.

Unless you meant Jimbo!! In which case I feel like a right tit!!

eyedomainous

I said I get more offers for my tv.com's than .tv, but I buy to hold or dev. Of the nearly 10,000 names I own outright or have a stake in, with a partner, we could not come up with ten we wanted to sell... when the issue came up a few days ago, after refusing another nice offer.


First, it makes a big difference when renewing thousands of domains at $7 rather than $25. Its like getting 3 years for the price of one. This gives enough elbow room to dev a handful of sites -so they can pay for the others, while leaving something on the table to live off of (and this year marks my tenth anniversary of working online full time... though I had a few temp jobs along the way. Though none in the last 3 years.)

I have a ND agreement on co-owned domains and developments. Also, I don't park, do PPC, affiliate links etc., so I don't have those "stats" on tv.com v .tv. And, like any man, I wish I was "fully developed". But, as Cool Hand Luke learned... you can't fill all the holes all the time.

But essentially, I take the "big net" approach with (most) tv.com and .tv domains... as I failed to generate any sizable traffic or revenue with the 'single hook in the water' method. So instead of having say 20 tv sites, each standing on their own, why not have all 20 sites share the same screen, of 20 channels, and/or advertising messages. Now, those 100 uniques a day per (20) channels translates into 2000 uniques a day for The channel. Multiply by 9,000 domains and you get an interesting picture. We are not there yet, as there are a lot of devils in the details... but I've worked-out most of the big issues on a local network of my own domains serving the hotel and tourism industry.

Sometime in the near future I most likely will start a thread to explore this more, as I am also building a tv.com network for "the cloud", but the point here is I want to keep the "cost-per-node" down as I build-out an online TV network because its just good business. On the other hand, I do see a .TV network in the not too distant future.

Jeff

Yes, "TV.com's" would be interesting to follow ...

As to its 'moment of failure' ... for me, the realization (that an otherwise short, brandable extension) would never materialize to more than a vanity/niche type ccTLD was probably somewhere just in or after years 3 - 5 of the ".TV's" existence. Too few actual developed sites, not enough truly interested End users, no, or slimly few, noteworthy corporate adopters, no news of any real substance ... for too long it just seemed to be exchanging/trading and "rah rah" forum posts in and amongst the same Usual Suspects© and single bids at Sedo with no subsequent developments or promotions! Unfortunately, even with this realization ... still no significant forward progress with the .TV (while the Registry continues to STRANGLE it with ever-increasing normal and premium Reg. fees), IMHO.
Alas, the premium "Reg. fees" may very well prove, in the end, to be its consensus moment of failure!

Just my long-term observation(s)!
Jeff

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Off topic, but...

Let's sing Happy Birthday to the first dot com of the internet(symbolics.com), born 25 years ago today, or so says HLN...

This "Adam" is the father of what we have today !

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snoop

I don't think normal reg fees have ever been increased, not that I can recall. Premium reg fees have been increased, but only on unregistered names.
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"Strangle" is the right word to describe the pricing though for domainers, wringing out every dollar. Agree also that it is high reg fees that have ultimately resulted in the domainer market being what it is.

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Thanks for your further explanation of tv.com over .tv's for you.
makes sense.

I am really interested in hearing more of your multiple on one single .tv idea...
So instead of having say 20 tv sites, each standing on their own, why not have all 20 sites share the same screen, of 20 channels, and/or advertising messages.
Not sure I fully understand that.
Maybe I'm just tired and have to read it again in the morning,
but that sure sounds intriguing as hell.


Freedom,

You're a nut!
At least I know I am not alone with you here, lol

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