redbat

IMHO the moment of DOT TV flying off course was the GEO DOT TV hype. If someone has a developed site to post, post a link. Otherwise, all this grand plans, big networks, big money, in stealth mode deals lead many to invest in the extension - but only a handful to make money.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/644068-the-moment-of-failure-for-tv.html

That had the effect of causing an unrealistic high, followed by an unrealistic drop when talk never materialized.

If you chart a path from 2000 to today, DOT TV has been on a nice little incline up.

With one exception, the bump which optically makes it seem like the sky is falling, but simply returning us to the natural trajectory.

So please, stop with all the "I will have big news in two weeks" talk. When you have a link, post it.

Otherwise, just keep it in stealth mode.

My comment on vanity extensions, how is that .LA doing in SOCal. I look forward to .nyc, .paris, etc so that ICANN can make a killing and everyone else lose money.

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There is at least 3 very famous DOT COM domainers that had "network calls" with this individual ten years ago. Nothing materialized, except big talk. I'm friends with 2 of them. Trust me, if they could get this guy nailed down, they would.

Ammudamus

Amsterdam.tv has been registered.

Best,
A

MrRhee

Yawn. you're bitter because we decided not to collaborate with you?

You and your buddies assume everyone else has the same experience with .TV as you do.
If you hate the extension, does that mean we all should hate it too?
You are being unprofessional and unproductive. While you're complaining that the sky is falling, others are going along their business as if you don't exist.

Keep accusing me and complaining all you want. Your bitterness pollutes this board once again.

If I choose not to share what sites we're developing, why does it bother you and your buddies so much? If I discuss our plans, you bitch at me, if I don't, you still bitch. LOL. What a joke. Such bitterness and misery.

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Really? That's hilarious. FAMOUS dot com domainers? Wow. I apologize for not being to work with people are not likeminded. When we partner with others, we perform due diligence and either move forward or move on. Unfortunately, I don't have a list of FAMOUS domainers that I have worked with. All I can do is just keep moving forward and avoiding all the trashtalk and noise you keep spouting.

You are just an anonymous troll, most likely the same person from EQ's blog that attacked us without knowing us.

We''ll let our work speak for itself. I haven't received any complaints from those we collaborate with, in fact, they are happy to discuss ongoing collaboration, so I hope we're doing something right. But, once again, they're not "FAMOUS", so you probably haven't heard of them before.

It is truly funny that whenever MillersCrossing AKA SPIDERSPIDER attacks us, RedBat comes out of the woodwork. What a sad existence.

finster

Joel strikes again.

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Michelle

OK enough

I am asking that you are all adult enough to keep this on track without the personal issues.

I am sure this is not too much to ask

Many thanks

freedom30

Originally Posted by redbat
Be careful who you trust.

originally posted by mystery
as spoken by an anonymous troll. LOL. oh, the irony.

To be honest that is a rather good rule that all should abide by. mystery and redbat, I am sure that both of you exercise and ascribe to that little nugget of wisdom wholeheartedly.

I understand that if we do not learn from the past we are doomed to repeat it(who the F said that?) but let's look at the content of what is being said in the posts for the present and future. Read the message and not who supplies it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=644068

I know nothing of the history of hard feelings and bitter experiences of members of this board, but I do like to learn, and everyone here has contributed. I hate to see this forum dilute itself into a grade school spitball fight when we have gained momentum in productive ideas and engaging debate.

Let's have fun here and enjoy our investments, developments and speculations as well as our inherent differences. I'd love to see some brainstorming as well similar to that when SmashFactory() was here. We are closer to that than we have been for over a year. This board is too vital for us to let slip away now. Just my spin on it.

Thanks for the time, guys and gals.

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the dot stop

I agree whole-heartedly.
I have no idea of all the hostility between members here,
but it IS an awesome Forum when all are participating and having fun with new and creative ideas,
and the negativity really does get you down.

.TV as a failure?
Not for me.

Like I have said many times before,
What is YOUR definition of success?
Looks like MrRhee took what I've been writing for the past month and threw his spin on it.

But my definition of my own success is to keep my portfolio paid for, and growing.
Thats it.
Anything else above and beyind that is a bonus for me.
I don't set myself up for failure by making unrealistic goals or promises,
especially in this down market right now.

I think, staying away from Premiums has helped me out a lot.
Although I am getting a little tempted to start grabbing Premiums,
especially ones like Vermont w/only a $500.00 renewal.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=644068
We'll see, just have to get a little more domaining money rolling in because I am done using new money.

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redbat

It is funny that I get labeled a troll, when all I have ever done is question unverified hype.

Question, does other posters on this board want to hear news - whether or not that news is valid or not?

Because I would argue that is what has caused the latest downturn in the market. Unverified information that never materialized causing a bubble. Like the housing bubble, prices have simply returned to pre-bubble levels.

There is no tanking of the market, simply a correction caused by market manipulation.

Fundamentals remain the same.

Michelle

I will ask once more very nicely

Please keep this thread about what it is and not about private issues ...


I would like to see this left open.. would you????

MillersCrossing

.Tv has certainly not been a failure for me either. I think I must be in the top 5 of KNOW AND CONFIRMABLE domainers to have made low six figures in this extension.

But I got in at the perfect time and got out a little late, but a whole lot earlier than it could have been.

The question is - what is the state of .tv now?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=644068

I would say it is an awful trainwreck of a mess. Yes, there will be a few decent end user sales here or there and a domainer who I have nothing but respect for who puts his money where his mouth is and is making a major play - not just on geos, but really, on the extention itself.

Aside from that, looking at DNJOURNAL, which is in the business of confirmation rather than the business of hype and pump, .tv has done horrendously in the last twelve months.

If it picks up at some point everyone will be happy, me included.

MELLOWMASHER - I hear ya loud and clear.!

the dot stop

Some of you guys have been in so long that you have all had one .tv sell for 25 or 50K.
or a year w/ $xxx,xxx profits.
So, I think that you are equating failure with previous sales trends at the plateau of the .tv Market.,
which of course are not happening at this time.
You've been spoiled!

I think now you have to be a little more honest about what is the true definition of your success or failure, ya know.
At least until a few more hot .tv sales happen this year (hopefully).

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freedom30

...and that opinion, whether one would agree with it or not, whether its a powder puff or a cannonball, is respected and appreciated as a matter of course. Thanks, Millsey!

The medicine that is hard to swallow is oft times the one that cures the body.

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snoop

This redefinition of success generally comes from people who aren't making money in my view. I'm sure when they started the idea for most was to make money. After it results in losses then the excuses start. On one hand a member talks about losing 6 figures in .tv yet is one who would like to redefine success on to something other than profitability.

It is a bit like all the people who started speculating and now say they are developers (after dropping most of their names). It is just an excuse.

If .tv is currently profitable for you then great, keep doing what you are doing because it is working. If you do you accounts each year and domaining has a loss next to it then that isn't sustainable. Unless people realise it they'll wake up one day and they'll have no money for those renewal fees. The exception of course is people with a few names doing it as a hobby.

Overall if you aren't making a profit then make changes. Hoping .tv domains will rise in value to save the day isn't realistic either in my view.

the dot stop

Snoop,
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=644068

Yes, everyone wants to make money.
But the high sales a couple of years ago were probably very easy for the big dog .tv holders, even with the fact of some of those sales having stiff premiums.
I am thinking that since they're not turning 5 figure+ profits anymore (just a guess), that they think .tv is now failing.

No one is to suggest that your own success plans are to lose money.
That would be ridiculous.

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snoop

The extension is what it always was as far as usage goes (niche extension-quite well used in that niche). The domainer market has failed in my view - and was never sustainable. Even during the boom the profits at the top end were pretty modest though. I see it as a market with limited upside (due to reg fees) and large downside.

MillersCrossing

TY Freedom

Another great saying is that the truth will always out.

One of the biggest problems that the domaining industry faces is shill biddin/selling pump and dumping - frankly Im fed up of it all. Rhee thinks its something personal against him..its not - just go have a look at the "anyone reg a 3D name yet...." thread under DOMAIN DISCUSSION...that thread got so out of hand with the obvious pump and dump scheming that I left that thead in disgust.

As Snoop and myself pointed out in another thread, domaining is impossible to regulate by the equivlent of a SEC...so I guess all this behaviour goes with the territory...BUT IT DOESNT HAVE TOO!! And that is the crying shame!!

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DOTSTOP!! Why you scoundrel you!! Very easy aye??!! Thats why the .tv became known as Millionaires Row, cause once you're in - you just need to choose the type of mansion and Bobs your uncle.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=644068

Believe me - it was not easy, otherwise everyone who was into .tv in 2006 would have made that much and more.

There were so many more losers in .tv than gainers - even in the golden years of 06 - 08

snoop

I don't see it as ever changing, the issue is just so many domains in the industry that aren't worth anything (not just talking about .tv here), people get desperate to try and generate sales.

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Agree, back then there was alot of debate about "was anyone making money". People certainly weren't getting rich, the best seemed to be making a modest living, 6 figures over several years etc.

the dot stop

I meant no offense Millers.

I try and be the voice of reason most of the time.
I guess that didn't work today...lol
Maybe I'm helping this conversation at all.

I'll sit this one out.

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MillersCrossing

Dot Stop - Hey you are doing just fine.

My dry English sense of humor!!

You are a cool dude - PLEASE BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION!!!

eyedomainous

From my perspective the "failure" is a result of a too narrow focus... embedded in the extension, inherent the the forum... and reflected in the discussion.

Regarding the "bottom line": The narrow focus of the past was just about making money. Today, there is a "triple bottom line"... where making "sustainable" profits involves environmental and socially responsible concerns. Today, any corporation that just wants to focus on financial profits as THE bottom line is NOT operating a "sustainable business".

Likewise, dotTV is not TV. Its one TV brand in a super store of TV "sets". Yes, ten years ago, it was logical to think that dotTV would be the leading brand in the new online market. But it didn't work out that way. Consumers don't seem to care much about the brand/extension, just the show. The market has spoken.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=644068

Now, if you want to be the few salesmen still standing around the most expensive TV model on the floor... asking each other why they are not selling, than your not really in the new TV business... your in the DOT business.

Now read the question of this thread again. This time take away the dot. Perhaps you will see that the question reflects a weird problem to be having in a booming TV market.

Yes, I understand this is the .TV forum. But its also the TV domainers forum. And I know TV domains can payoff, with or without the dot. But, like the "bottom line", you have to focus on more than the 'set' way of approaching the market, if you want to have a profitable, and sustainable, business.

snoop

I think it is probably the case that tv.com domaining is more profitable than .tv domaining. The two have similar characteristics (and are commonly confused by consumers) but of course the tv.com segment has none of the reg fee issues.

eyedomainous

Continuing with the TV Store analogy... tv.com's are like a "Red Dot Sale", where you can buy the same NAME-brand TV for 300% less by simply by moving the dot from the front of the TV to the back.

The savings add-up when you have a lot of domains, and those savings help you stay in the game for the long haul... to profitability.

In the beginning buying the tv.com was a defensive reg., but I got more offers for the tv.com's than I did for the .TV's. And, yes -people defaulted to the tv.com. So 3 years ago I started to let .TV's drop, while building-out the tv.com's. And I'm glad I did.

I like and still own .TVs, and have a stake in several hundred more with a partner. And I use a mix in my site network... that used to be dominated by .TV, but now tv.com rules. In the future I may end up with two cluster networks. On for tv.com the another .TV... simply because its cleaner branding, which I think will make the network a more attractive acquisition prospect.

MillersCrossing

I know that Jimbo has a massive collection of tv.com - I think he put it up quite a large selection recently on auction, if memory serves me right, I don't think too many domainers took a bite at it - I could be wrong though.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=644068

I have a small portfolio only because my sales in tv.com are negligable.

I sold nutstv.com for $7500 and punditstv.com for $1500. (I am sure there were a couple more, my memory is awful) I have had some low ball offers and a phone discussion or two on vetstv.com - vets.tv is a fully developed website in the UK for the BRITISH VETINARY ASSOCIATION, but nothing has come of it as of yet.

But I think with the quality of some of my tv.com names I should have received offers by now if it was doing better than.tv alone.

Names like horticulturetv.com, cataloguetv.com etc

Im glad it has paid off handsomely for you ED.

Jimbojimbo

I very much wish I'd NOT started this whole thread as it brought out a little too much angst/arguments/paranoia/dislike in people.

We may be competitors in many areas, but we should not forget two things:

We are ALL on the same side
AND
We are the defacto ambassadors for .TV

I just wish some of us could see it sometimes.



It seemed this area was set for disappearing altogether when EQ stopped moderating here, so I'm quite happy that it has grown recently and is still the wonderful resource it should be for ALL entering the world of .TV

And there are so many new people joining with an interest in .TV and TV.com names and development ideas.


But those moments of non-decorum make us look like children.


I know most of the posters here and have to say, from what I've seen, most of you are decent people all trying to protect and grow your investments. Many are genuinely developing, some have already developed nice sites, several have failed in attempting to do so.

If you need examples of any of the three cases - then you are an unobservant fool.

Of course, there are many, many, who are here plain and simply because they are domainers - looking at the dollar signs today - following the flow as prices go up and bailing out as they go down.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=644068

Some have spent tens of dollars, some have spent hundreds of thousands.
Some have made a profit, some have made a loss
Some WILL make a big profit, some Will make a big loss.

And good luck to all.


Personally, I’m off to see what life is like when I keep my research (and its benefits or failings) to myself.



PS - I discovered today that somebody DID pick up Amsterdam TV and also, two UN designated country names dropped - one of which is a major tourist destination.

These things are examples of both great news and, at the same time, really bad news. It all depends on the slant given by the writer.

Hey ho!



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It was a US Collection of over 100 TV.com names of 100,000 plus population towns and cities (like Chula Vista and Everett).

The collection was bought by a man who rarely posts here on the TV section but has made more money than most in domaining, Page Howe, and the deal was pleasant for both concerned.

I still, as you so rightly suggest, have a few other TV.com names should anyone wish to PM me.

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