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I agree.
They are the domainer, cutting us out as the middle men.

Maybe they chose the .tv extension because they knew .tv would soon overtake .com?????


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equity78

Do not give Verisign credit or the blame for premium pricing. They simply followed what was already being done with the extension. When Jason Chapnik first got the ball rolling on .tv he envisioned the premium pricing. Tuvalu was sold on premium pricing and were all for premium pricing. The DOT TV Corp pre Verisign, sold .tv names as premiums and actually did some things in a convoluted way.

Snoop you mentioned the thing I started saying a few years ago, Verisign greed is no more or less than domainer greed. A domainer owns a keyword.com and wants a premium to the $8 reg fee, I don't like Verisign or dislike Verisign any more or less than this registrant of the keyword.com I want. Greed is Greed if you believe premium pricing is Greed. Domainers need to be careful at what they wish for because Verisign's model is your model. Only difference you regged 100 .tv they bought the whole registry.

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They bought it 10 years ago so if they knew that, what knew was obviously wrong lol

Seriously though I think they bought on the basis of having alot of power to charge higher than normal registration fees, the country codes being open slather, especially a rebranded one like this with some degree of popularity. Paying $4million a year I don't think they can realy be expected to run this like other extensions.

Interesting comments by Equity also.

MrRhee

actually... check out a few un-sold premiums and see if you think differently afterwards.

a random slice:

trim.tv = parking page, being monetized & optimized with a clear link to buy the "premium" name from enom.
^ premium = $10K/yr


ogx.tv = parked.
^ premium = $4,5K/yr


....and the list goes on & on & on...

then you have these landers:

jobs.tv = enhanced landing page, for sale link, relevant videos/content, contextual ads, etc.
^ premium = $100K/yr


now, consider 50K "premiums" on their list. Apparently, these people are much smarter than everyone assumes. Genius business model. Now how many of you think these guys are stupid? or going to offer fire sale prices any time soon? They've simply become the "domainer"... parked domains coupled with high-end annual lease fees if you want to use one of their names. There's nothing sinister about it, there's no conspiracy, no hidden agenda... it's very creative/brilliant and shows you the potential power of owning your own TLD. Then you factor in DemandMedia's content factory and their Pluck software platform... and marry it to 50K domains, consisting of many great keywords... the collective traffic & revenue may be very lucrative. I do not think we will see them shifting their business model anytime soon.
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Jimbojimbo

Interesting discussion.

Looking to the future I would assume the government of Tuvalu will be looking carefully themselves at how this extension could benefit them in the future. They have a population of just 12,373 so any increase in potential revenue affects these few people directly. I think, so far, they will be unhappy at what they have received from their previous agreements with regard to .tv

The premium market may have fallen off the wall for the domainer to domainer market but you still see large organisations around the world adopting and adapting to the use of a .TV name. Russia Today didn't care about domainers when they bought RT.tv for $60-odd thousand from JohnTV - they just wanted a name that worked for them.That is true for thousands of companies and organisations around the world.

That real world growth is under no threat of slowing down as we leave recession/depression. If it has grown over the past two years, it will really grow now - for economic, technological, and consumer demand reasons are too strong to ignore.

So, Snoops argument that a 2% a year sales figure at an inflated price is better than a 100% sales figure at a low price actually holds some water.

However, Enom/Verisign are not the only players in this game. I'm sure our beloved Bob Parsons, head of GoDaddy, who already showed willing towards .TV in the past (remember $15.99 regs?) is very aware that the new contract for .TV will soon be up for grabs again.

If anyone could understand that a vibrant and highly visible market in .TV names could benefit the people of Tuvalu AND the registrar organisation at a lower price /higher share market it is BOB and friends. This man reduced the average cost of domain names for everyone on the planet so is no stranger to the principle of lowering price, increasing share, improving profits.

The first move for any enterprising Registrar could be a mass auction of 'premium' names. Germany did a similar thing recently and theire was interest and awareness form everyone in the country. A large, well-managed promotion campaign for the world's .Tv auction would bring in major revenues today for both the registrar and the TUVALU government. Real money today is always better than Hoped-for Money tomorrow.

Names that didn't sell (I would assume a minimum price of say $10,000 for each name) could still be sold as premiums or subject to a yearly auction until they do sell - so helping maintain a tapering and larger profit from 'premium names' over the years. The big difference would be in the larger number of normal renewals at, say $10.
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A ten-fold increase in sales at $10 would ensure much larger profits, and the steadying of the course, for the future of the .TV brand and the people of Tuvalu.

It might be worthwhile getting Bob Parsons to meet with Queen Elizabeth II (she is the head of state). If she would do a cribs style show called BuckinghamPalace.tv I think we might have the start of a great promotion!

siga

Interesting observation, which fits into this thread is, shows that prices are going up if the comparison is taken from England.tv on the enom site.
enom list England.tv is now $15,000 where as ahead.tv says it is $5000 (which it apparently was prior to being droppped, while I would not be suprised if they are raising the price on domains such as this, does anyone know if ahead.tv premium check up is in realtime?

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at one time, ahead.tv was in sync, that is no longer the case. I own a few names that ahead.tv has mis-priced and I assume there are others.

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ENOM recently tried the auction format (with a different pricing model) and it failed miserably. granted it was domainer to domainer, but it was a massive failure. I'm not sure if they will revisit that anytime soon.

Now look at their current model, if the domains are all parked and being monetized, there's a chance that parking alone is covering VRSN's cost.

just for fun:
54,000+ "premium" domains @ as little as .25 per day each average = $13,500 per day.
that equals $4,562,500 yr. collectively

then factor in any premiums sales, premium renewals, regular sales, regular renewals, etc.

... all speculation, but within the realm of possibility.

if that was your business model, would you be interested in dumping your domains to domainers who are most likely going to try the same exact business model? this way VRSN/ENOM control the flow, collect the toll, while preserving the brand and ensuring that high-end generics are available for end-users. and they have plenty of time left to manage, what I believe to be, a great branded TLD.

just something to consider.

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the dot stop

Hey Equity, You have a lot of interesting .tv history and knowledge, thats for sure. Just curious if you could expound on this?

I never looked at it this way until I created this thread. Great and interesting points to both, you and Snoop.

I retract my statement about them doing absolutely nothing with these invisible treasures except for entering a higher $ amount to the Premiums once in a while. They have done some actual work on some of their high end Premium .tv's. Point taken. Thanks for the samples and insight.

Absolutely not. Point taken.
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Everyone so far, has only seen Premium .tv's only go "up" in re-pricing.
but the Rep I spoke with said that Premiums always "fluctuate with the Market".
I guess their definition of "fluctuate" to them, is the pricing will always go higher.

So, with all of the knowledge over here on the board we can safely say that...
No, the Premium pricing has never went down on any .tv Premiums.

Next question, Lets say you wanted 3-5 Premiums. Is there a discount they may give you?
A buy in bulk kindof savings? If you are a .tv Big Dog and are spending $500 or $5000, or even more per year, per domain I would only assume (probably silly of me) that they would/could reduce the total by some small margin???

MrRhee

i.e.

tonight another premium drops: "oq"
accdg to ahead, current renewal WAS $1000
most likely price will "fluctuate" to $10K

last night, "epg" dropped,
accdg to ahead, current renewal WAS and is still listed at $750
but "epg" was re-priced to $4500.

but there is activity, it appears 2 premiums were scooped up. if/when they post to whois I'll add more info.
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snoop

A reduction to $10 (at retail level) is not going to result is a "ten fold increase in sales". Thinking sales would stay steady is optimistic in my view, because halving the wholesale price means the registries revenue will drop 50% overnight, then registration numbers will need to double to be in the same position as before.

You can see how things often plays out in the industry, eg old registrars such as Netsol and Register.com will never drop their prices because most of the current customer base is willing to pay the "old school" high prices. They'd rather lose customers and set up a seperate discount registrar than do that. I doubt Tuvalu want to give a 50% discount to people willing to pay the old price.

Other registries having been playing around with pricing for years and it it clearly hasn't had any large overnight effect.

Secondly the premium model is not about "hoped for money" for Tuvalu, it is producing an annual revenue stream of $4million and has been for a decade. I think it is pretty clear that Verisign is doing pretty well from the current model aswell.

I do wonder if the contract with Verisign were not renewed (which is think is unlikely) what sort of position Tuvalu would be in, in terms of would they own the customer database. Personally I think Verisign will keep the contract and not much will change. It has been successful from a registry and Tuvalu point of view in my opinion. It has been bad from a domainer point of view, but that is because domainers are on the other end of the see-saw.

garptrader

It sounds like they just want to keep .TV out of the hands of domainers but with the prices of most thiings having come down the last few years, they may even price .TV above what developers are willing to pay. IMO .TV should still be priced less than .Net and yet if a domain has a premium renewal over a five year timeframe it is very likely to be priced higher.

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one of the very first people i met at the 2nd traffic east in delray was jason. we were both checking into the hotel at the same time and as fate would have it i happend to be wearing the dotTV ballcap i'd gotten years ago at the launch party. or relaunch party, whatever tf it was. that sure got his attention. he couldnt belive someone still had one of those caps. real nice guy too. i heard first hand accounts of his trips to tuvalu and the later debacles that followed.
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its unfortunate the way things turned out. i think both .tv and tuvalu would be much further ahead if they'd adopted a different model. perhaps simply put a bin on the names or trickled them into auctions. the premium renewal fee system leads to a great deal of uncertainty and confusion on almost everyones part. on the other it has created opportunity for those ready to face the challanges.

right now tuvalu gets paid the same either way. i 'spose they'd be open to a new arrangement if they belived it would be much better for them financially.


tell it plain!!

explains perfectly why no domainer really likes any other domainer. some are certainly more tolerant than others and we are all good for at least an occasional giggle if not a steady stream of belly laughs. but seriously i'd ak all you mo' fo's in a heartbeat if it'd get me all your domains. same goes double for vrsn.

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