iPad to kill Domaining? - Page 2

bmugford · 02-01-2010, 01:34 AM

I have had record sales and inquires the last few months.

Maybe the years of sitting on top tier generic .COM are over waiting for multi-million dollar offers, but I sell domains virtually daily from Mid $XXX - Mid $X,XXX

The key is to be operating in a realistic end user price range IMO. 99% of end users could not afford a ridiculously good Keyword.com, but they can afford good alternatives.
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Brad

Originally Posted by RJ

My mantra for the new decade: LET'S GET REAL.

A nice domain can add credibility, brand enhancement and marketing value to a project, just like fancy 1-800 numbers, but aside from companies like 1-800 Flowers who use the number as their brand name, a company's phone number isn't going to ensure their success. Likewise for domain names. Marketing tools and not much more.

The years of sitting on domains, waiting for the fantasy buyer who just CAN'T live without your valuable domain, are OVER.

Adjust your settings accordingly.

RJ

RJ · 02-01-2010, 01:54 AM

>> The key is to be operating in a realistic end user price range IMO. 99% of end users could not afford a ridiculously good Keyword.com, but they can afford good alternatives.

Good advice. I'd wager that a good chunk of that 99% of end users could probably afford the better domain, but they just don't see the value proposition. The typical "end users" are more saavvy than they were 10 years ago. If we're asking $100k for a category killer domain name, that end user is going to weigh the $100k cost versus spending that same money elsewhere.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=637215

On the other side, we're going to have to weigh whether it's worth warehousing that $100k name indefinitely or if we'd be better off with $20k cash in hand now in a market where cash is king.

Banks don't like to sit on houses that they get in foreclosure. Gotta keep that inventory moving.

RJ

bmugford · 02-01-2010, 02:13 AM

The way to make money in this business on a consistent basis is to keep capital flowing. It is an upgrading process where the domains you buy are much higher quality for the same price than the domains you sell.
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You have a good point about the $100K domain example. Depending what you do with the $20K it might be worth selling.

For example if you are short on cash and that $20K can enable you to buy a much better domain, then it could be worth doing.

Most domainers end up falling in love with their domains as well, instead of using an objective analysis.

I deal with end users daily so I have a general idea of what domains are likely to sell and in what price range.

There is still a lot of money to made in domaining, but there is no getting around the hard work it takes.

Brad

Originally Posted by RJ

>> The key is to be operating in a realistic end user price range IMO. 99% of end users could not afford a ridiculously good Keyword.com, but they can afford good alternatives.

Good advice. I'd wager that a good chunk of that 99% of end users could probably afford the better domain, but they just don't see the value proposition. The typical "end users" are more saavvy than they were 10 years ago. If we're asking $100k for a category killer domain name, that end user is going to weigh the $100k cost versus spending that same money elsewhere.

On the other side, we're going to have to weigh whether it's worth warehousing that $100k name indefinitely or if we'd be better off with $20k cash in hand now in a market where cash is king.

Banks don't like to sit on houses that they get in foreclosure. Gotta keep that inventory moving.

RJ

RJ · 02-01-2010, 02:38 AM

An end user buyer who balks at $100k asking price might stretch to $40k after being properly sold on the benefits of having that particular domain.

While he doesn't make an $80k profit like he hoped, the seller could be happy doubling his $20k cost and now has twice that to invest back into his business. In past years, I would have said hold your ground but I'm trying to look forward and adopt a more realistic cash flow positive domaining strategy.

Thanks for the chat. Off to bed.

proTrader · 02-01-2010, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by RJ

My mantra for the new decade: LET'S GET REAL.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=637215

A nice domain can add credibility, brand enhancement and marketing value to a project, just like fancy 1-800 numbers, but aside from companies like 1-800 Flowers who use the number as their brand name, a company's phone number isn't going to ensure their success. Likewise for domain names. Marketing tools and not much more.

The years of sitting on domains, waiting for the fantasy buyer who just CAN'T live without your valuable domain, are OVER.

Adjust your settings accordingly.

RJ

In my view,

Adjust your settings accordingly = Develop

I have been doing it since long. Initially it was not very successful, but when I learned the basics, it became pretty good. Cost is an important factor, so I usually do it here:

http://www.namepros.com/developers-f...vice-39-a.html

RJ · 02-01-2010, 03:34 AM

Venturing into development with your domain gets you an automatic promotion from domainer to webmaster. Complete the extra credit assignment and you too can be promoted to business owner.

Generally the sum of your success will be a factor of the effort you put into it, doesn't matter what you do. Whether that's selling domains on the forums Whether that's meticulously working on designing better and better parking pages (so they fool even more idiots into thinking they're REAL LIVE sites! hehe..) Give those domains some TLC and they will love you back.

...omgwtfaidu... night

RJ

dezinerite · 02-01-2010, 04:20 AM

I doubt iPad would affect domaining to be honest.

I mean first and foremost how many people will be able to afford this?

Plus, I hate surfing the web on my touch screen phone. I much prefer the traditional mouse with desktop. So how many people who can afford it will choose not to buy it?

RogueWriter · 02-01-2010, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by dezinerite

I doubt iPad would affect domaining to be honest.
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I mean first and foremost how many people will be able to afford this?

Plus, I hate surfing the web on my touch screen phone. I much prefer the traditional mouse with desktop. So how many people who can afford it will choose not to buy it?

To me, releasing the iPad is like being in a boat and realizing that you are in the midst of a flotilla of iceburgs. Not only is there a ton of ice lurking underneath the water, there are more and more iceburgs around you; time to buy a plane.

The iPad is just the beginning. Prices will come down, interface quality will increase, and suddenly I'm going to find myself sitting on my couch watching TV from a tablet on my lap, and pressing the Amazon app when I want to buy myself a Colts Snuggle.

Now, if someone develops a domaining App, yeah, that will probably make it onto my tablet.....ahem...

SDX · 02-01-2010, 08:11 AM

Some truly great insight guys...we will all have to adjust to "new technologies", but a good .com domain will surely remain King for the foreseeable future imo.

SDX · 02-01-2010, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by gemstar

There will always be a new appliance made in the world as technology advances. Regardless of the advance we still have to plug them in the old fashioned wall socket to recharge.
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No matter what the hype..The old fashioned wall socket, AKA(URL) Still needs to be used.

I love this analogy!

(repped)

JAugusto · 02-01-2010, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by gemstar

There will always be a new appliance made in the world as technology advances. Regardless of the advance we still have to plug them in the old fashioned wall socket to recharge.

No matter what the hype..The old fashioned wall socket, AKA(URL) Still needs to be used.

Bad analogy.... the old fashioned wall socket to recharge will be history very soon...

SDX · 02-01-2010, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by JAugusto

Bad analogy.... the old fashioned wall socket to recharge will be history very soon...

What's replacing the wall socket?

labrocca · 02-01-2010, 01:12 PM

At this point in the game if you're sitting on 100k valued domains and aren't developing them you're a moron. Spending 10k-25k on proper development should get you started. If you can't develop a $100k domain into profitability then how can end-users?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=637215

I know some old-timers have massive portfolios making bank parked but they are all crying about lost revenue the past year. If they're not quick and savvy to develop properly they're going to wake up one day and find themselves assed-out. I think of Schwartz as I make these comments. That's a guy without a clue imho about domain development. He is perfectly content sitting around collecting clicks. He was smart enough to start TRAFFIC but why isn't he wise enough to develop his valuable properties?

RJ · 02-01-2010, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by JAugusto

Bad analogy.... the old fashioned wall socket to recharge will be history very soon...

Stuff like this
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Powermat USA | Powermat Wireless Charging System

(you still need at least one wall socket though)

---------- Post added at 02:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:17 PM ----------

Originally Posted by labrocca

At this point in the game if you're sitting on 100k valued domains and aren't developing them you're a moron. Spending 10k-25k on proper development should get you started. If you can't develop a $100k domain into profitability then how can end-users?

I know some old-timers have massive portfolios making bank parked but they are all crying about lost revenue the past year. If they're not quick and savvy to develop properly they're going to wake up one day and find themselves assed-out.

Exactly. Great points.

I play both sides as a developer and domainer. My personal collection has been grew and grew for 10 years until I realized last year had way too many domains. There's just no way I can effectively develop 1000's of names at once and parking sucks. No thank you. I'm thinning out the herd and giving the remaining names more of my love and attention, and I can already tell it's going to work in my favor.

RJ

JAugusto · 02-01-2010, 04:11 PM

To RJ and labrocca:

How can we have so many domains? Simple because that's what we do.

You say you're going to start developing some of your names. Get real, how much would you give amazon has a keyword domain for books, or flickr as a keyword domain for photos?

You can become a business entrepreneur, but you're no longer a domainer. End of story.

nameboi · 02-01-2010, 04:41 PM

I am guessing domains that would make truly spectacular website and business names will continue to increase in value. Even 6 and 7 figure domains are still really cheap relative of what prospective buyers spend on marketing. It's just the matter of these buyers taking their online names seriously, and it's gradually happening. The bottom line is that every company needs a website address that is as short, as intuitive, and as easy to remember as possible, Apple products do not change that fact one bit.

Imo, names that do not make perfect brands and are mostly good for traffic generation, seo, all the other stuff may very well lose some of their value.

FPForum · 02-01-2010, 09:22 PM

I could see this effecting typo traffic no doubt. However, this type of technology won't really effect the domain market for quite a few years..even then, the only people making these apps are top name companies with a nice hefty budget. I don't see this killing the domaining game for some time..Wait until the app market is saturated with programmers like the web design market is now.

These days if you can code Iphone/Ipad apps you would probably be making more money selling your services to these big corporations rather than making your own apps. This market is still in it's very early stages so I see no need to be worried about this right now unless you own typos of youtube, myspace, and facebook.

defaultuser · 02-01-2010, 10:03 PM

What I think people don't understand is that most heavily used "apps" are thinly veiled data feed interfaces. People will start their NYTimes App... their Twitter app.. their Facebook app.. their Lala.com app

This is fundamentally no different than opening up Firefox/Opera/IE and just using your bookmark, your yahoo portal, or free typing the domain you want.

Once you get THIS loyalty your domain is irrelevant anyway - it's just a reference name. NYTIMES.COM == NY Times App. It's why the branding and development is going to be important.

The fundamental shift will occur when the internet splits (it is going to happen) in to more managed private networks / clouds and the whole nature of searches fundamentally changes. Links will become more "defined" and "integrated with knowledge" and less about just page jumps. It will take more time than I have to explain. Fundamentally the shift will be to providing REAL information and REAL value as established by more significant means. The days of creating a mini-site and just honey potting people will be replaced as mini-sites fail to get traction.

Now the personal blogs and so forth will exist and their reputation will seed into the overall system.... but most names will be just vanity names and personal way of identifying yourself. Domains are not going away. They will exist but their value will be proximity to what matters.

It's a real estate type equation. Trying to sell a mansion in the projects will be more difficult than selling an empty lot by a beach in Cali. Getting the location means playing the game. Playing the game means having real value. The split is going to occur down business value lines as much greater care is taken to manage the sphere of influence you as a business holds.

It's bad for pure domainers. It's an awesome opportunity for the developer. It's time for the internet to grow up (finally). Of course, this is speculative and I don't anticipate this to happen for about 2-3 years to start .... 5-6 years to really be apparently.. and 10 years for it to look nothing like what we have now.

DubDubDubDot · 02-01-2010, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

At this point in the game if you're sitting on 100k valued domains and aren't developing them you're a moron. Spending 10k-25k on proper development should get you started. If you can't develop a $100k domain into profitability then how can end-users?

That depends entirely on the background of the domain owner.
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History has been clear that for people whose only motive in regards to domains is investment, they haven't been able to buy development success.

---------- Post added at 12:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:18 AM ----------

Look at why website apps have any kind of draw right now.

1. Mobile internet connections are slow. Apps cut down on load times.
2. Apps are designed specifically for the device, whereas most of the internet isn't exactly user friendly when viewed on random devices.

Both of these are going to change.

And honestly, this business about mobile apps killing .com sounds a LOT like that old argument that .mobi was going to own the mobile internet.

marly · 02-01-2010, 11:19 PM

Look at this way, the internet would not function without an address, you need an address (domain name) so domain names will never die. There will always be type-in traffic.

globegenius · 02-02-2010, 12:20 AM

YouTube - Google Mobile App for iPhone, now with Voice Search

wot · 02-02-2010, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by RJ

>> The key is to be operating in a realistic end user price range IMO. 99% of end users could not afford a ridiculously good Keyword.com, but they can afford good alternatives.

Good advice. I'd wager that a good chunk of that 99% of end users could probably afford the better domain, but they just don't see the value proposition. The typical "end users" are more saavvy than they were 10 years ago. If we're asking $100k for a category killer domain name, that end user is going to weigh the $100k cost versus spending that same money elsewhere.

On the other side, we're going to have to weigh whether it's worth warehousing that $100k name indefinitely or if we'd be better off with $20k cash in hand now in a market where cash is king.

Banks don't like to sit on houses that they get in foreclosure. Gotta keep that inventory moving.

RJ

And domainers are asking domainers to pay these sort of prices, see the top 30/40 names and their reserves at the extended auction:

https://www.snapnames.com/store/exte...gn=DFG_Auction
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touchscreen.com $4,117,650

I own Сенсорный-экран.com

exsedo · 02-02-2010, 04:22 AM

Looked at the first few pages, most of them won't make the minimum bid IMO.
Some fantastic prices being asked for some average domains.

th3blog · 02-02-2010, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by globegenius

Voice apps will take over I think. You will simply talk and the apps will find it for you. Domains that the bots can easily recognize will probably be good.
All the shortened versions or trick spelling domains could take a back burner unless the owner pays big bucks for the apps to find it. There will be a few big data bases where all domains are like sub domains on it. It will have filters on it also.
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As always he who has the gold makes the rules.
Big corporations are tired of taking a back seat in search results to some 10 dollar reg and seo work. How soon it all comes about remains to be seen.

i support him, Voice apps will take over all. Maybe cos then people will find it easy to do anything without even touching the screen like when someone is driving and you want to browse something then it will be easy.

I think Google will be the leader in this field!

***twomoon*** · 02-02-2010, 08:32 AM

There are some places on the Earth, where people don't know what is Internet, there are some countries where Internet is "in utero" phase . Now we have ccTLD's boom (in my opinion).
There are some rules of evolution. Domain names, after that iPad, uPAd, gPad or anything else.

In my opinion in a closest future there is no strong alternatives to domains.

iPad won't kill the domaining. Greed and laziness are killing domainers. Times are changing. It's not enough to "sit" on your domains and to wait. Look in the Sales thread here at NP, and you will see fantastic sales made mostly by "fresh blood" domainers. Active marketing is the key.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=637215

Thanks for looking

All is IMO

02-01-2010, 01:54 AM	#27 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Admin Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,919 Follow @DomainBuyer	>> The key is to be operating in a realistic end user price range IMO. 99% of end users could not afford a ridiculously good Keyword.com, but they can afford good alternatives. Good advice. I'd wager that a good chunk of that 99% of end users could probably afford the better domain, but they just don't see the value proposition. The typical "end users" are more saavvy than they were 10 years ago. If we're asking $100k for a category killer domain name, that end user is going to weigh the $100k cost versus spending that same money elsewhere. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=637215 On the other side, we're going to have to weigh whether it's worth warehousing that $100k name indefinitely or if we'd be better off with $20k cash in hand now in a market where cash is king. Banks don't like to sit on houses that they get in foreclosure. Gotta keep that inventory moving. RJ __________________ Reach me at rj at namepros dot com

02-01-2010, 02:38 AM	#29 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Admin Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,919 Follow @DomainBuyer	An end user buyer who balks at $100k asking price might stretch to $40k after being properly sold on the benefits of having that particular domain. While he doesn't make an $80k profit like he hoped, the seller could be happy doubling his $20k cost and now has twice that to invest back into his business. In past years, I would have said hold your ground but I'm trying to look forward and adopt a more realistic cash flow positive domaining strategy. Thanks for the chat. Off to bed. __________________ Reach me at rj at namepros dot com

02-01-2010, 03:34 AM	#31 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Admin Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,919 Follow @DomainBuyer	Venturing into development with your domain gets you an automatic promotion from domainer to webmaster. Complete the extra credit assignment and you too can be promoted to business owner. Generally the sum of your success will be a factor of the effort you put into it, doesn't matter what you do. Whether that's selling domains on the forums Whether that's meticulously working on designing better and better parking pages (so they fool even more idiots into thinking they're REAL LIVE sites! hehe..) Give those domains some TLC and they will love you back. ...omgwtfaidu... night RJ __________________ Reach me at rj at namepros dot com

02-01-2010, 04:20 AM	#32 (permalink)
dezinerite www.bpdir.com Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,055 Follow @bpdir	I doubt iPad would affect domaining to be honest. I mean first and foremost how many people will be able to afford this? Plus, I hate surfing the web on my touch screen phone. I much prefer the traditional mouse with desktop. So how many people who can afford it will choose not to buy it? __________________ Free Directory Since 2007! \| Software Directory

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SDX MYP.COM Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 0C.COM/0C.NET California/Italia Posts: 3,200	Some truly great insight guys...we will all have to adjust to "new technologies", but a good .com domain will surely remain King for the foreseeable future imo. __________________ SDX :) KXX.COM For Sale! Last edited by SDX; 02-01-2010 at 08:31 AM.

02-01-2010, 01:12 PM	#38 (permalink)
labrocca NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268 Follow @supportforums	At this point in the game if you're sitting on 100k valued domains and aren't developing them you're a moron. Spending 10k-25k on proper development should get you started. If you can't develop a $100k domain into profitability then how can end-users? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=637215 I know some old-timers have massive portfolios making bank parked but they are all crying about lost revenue the past year. If they're not quick and savvy to develop properly they're going to wake up one day and find themselves assed-out. I think of Schwartz as I make these comments. That's a guy without a clue imho about domain development. He is perfectly content sitting around collecting clicks. He was smart enough to start TRAFFIC but why isn't he wise enough to develop his valuable properties? __________________ :$: Support Forum <-- My latest endeavor.:loveyou: Debate Forums Free Online Sudoku My vBum Blog

02-01-2010, 04:11 PM	#40 (permalink)
JAugusto NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lisbon Posts: 461 Follow @josemaugusto	To RJ and labrocca: How can we have so many domains? Simple because that's what we do. You say you're going to start developing some of your names. Get real, how much would you give amazon has a keyword domain for books, or flickr as a keyword domain for photos? You can become a business entrepreneur, but you're no longer a domainer. End of story. __________________ Easy develop your domains with exclusive, unique, powerful scripts. \| idn.bz the estibot of idns

02-01-2010, 04:41 PM	#41 (permalink)
nameboi NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 70	I am guessing domains that would make truly spectacular website and business names will continue to increase in value. Even 6 and 7 figure domains are still really cheap relative of what prospective buyers spend on marketing. It's just the matter of these buyers taking their online names seriously, and it's gradually happening. The bottom line is that every company needs a website address that is as short, as intuitive, and as easy to remember as possible, Apple products do not change that fact one bit. Imo, names that do not make perfect brands and are mostly good for traffic generation, seo, all the other stuff may very well lose some of their value.

02-01-2010, 09:22 PM	#42 (permalink)
FPForum Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,801 Follow @dualrack	I could see this effecting typo traffic no doubt. However, this type of technology won't really effect the domain market for quite a few years..even then, the only people making these apps are top name companies with a nice hefty budget. I don't see this killing the domaining game for some time..Wait until the app market is saturated with programmers like the web design market is now. These days if you can code Iphone/Ipad apps you would probably be making more money selling your services to these big corporations rather than making your own apps. This market is still in it's very early stages so I see no need to be worried about this right now unless you own typos of youtube, myspace, and facebook. __________________ Linux VPS Hosting \| Reseller Hosting Web Design Reviews \| Make Real Money Online

02-01-2010, 10:03 PM	#43 (permalink)
defaultuser Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: internet@ctivist.com Posts: 4,770	What I think people don't understand is that most heavily used "apps" are thinly veiled data feed interfaces. People will start their NYTimes App... their Twitter app.. their Facebook app.. their Lala.com app This is fundamentally no different than opening up Firefox/Opera/IE and just using your bookmark, your yahoo portal, or free typing the domain you want. Once you get THIS loyalty your domain is irrelevant anyway - it's just a reference name. NYTIMES.COM == NY Times App. It's why the branding and development is going to be important. The fundamental shift will occur when the internet splits (it is going to happen) in to more managed private networks / clouds and the whole nature of searches fundamentally changes. Links will become more "defined" and "integrated with knowledge" and less about just page jumps. It will take more time than I have to explain. Fundamentally the shift will be to providing REAL information and REAL value as established by more significant means. The days of creating a mini-site and just honey potting people will be replaced as mini-sites fail to get traction. Now the personal blogs and so forth will exist and their reputation will seed into the overall system.... but most names will be just vanity names and personal way of identifying yourself. Domains are not going away. They will exist but their value will be proximity to what matters. It's a real estate type equation. Trying to sell a mansion in the projects will be more difficult than selling an empty lot by a beach in Cali. Getting the location means playing the game. Playing the game means having real value. The split is going to occur down business value lines as much greater care is taken to manage the sphere of influence you as a business holds. It's bad for pure domainers. It's an awesome opportunity for the developer. It's time for the internet to grow up (finally). Of course, this is speculative and I don't anticipate this to happen for about 2-3 years to start .... 5-6 years to really be apparently.. and 10 years for it to look nothing like what we have now.

02-01-2010, 11:19 PM	#45 (permalink)
marly NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 40	Look at this way, the internet would not function without an address, you need an address (domain name) so domain names will never die. There will always be type-in traffic. __________________ fnb homeloans \| Bond Originators \| Home Loans

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globegenius Account Suspended Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Matrix Posts: 506 Follow @HOSTNHUB	YouTube - Google Mobile App for iPhone, now with Voice Search

02-02-2010, 04:22 AM	#48 (permalink)
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02-02-2010, 08:32 AM	#50 (permalink)
*twomoon* Lead farmer Join Date: May 2008 Location: Voodoo.TV Posts: 3,932 Follow @Voodoo_TV	There are some places on the Earth, where people don't know what is Internet, there are some countries where Internet is "in utero" phase . Now we have ccTLD's boom (in my opinion). There are some rules of evolution. Domain names, after that iPad, uPAd, gPad or anything else. In my opinion in a closest future there is no strong alternatives to domains. iPad won't kill the domaining. Greed and laziness are killing domainers. Times are changing. It's not enough to "sit" on your domains and to wait. Look in the Sales thread here at NP, and you will see fantastic sales made mostly by "fresh blood" domainers. Active marketing is the key. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=637215 Thanks for looking All is IMO __________________ my .tv domains - voodoo.tv / twomoon.com - my other domains FlyingDutchman.com - the legend of the Flying Dutchman Last edited by twomoon; 02-02-2010 at 02:03 PM.

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