MrRhee

I usually won't reply to anonymous trolls, but your post is hilarious. Why should it matter to me if YOU believe anything? LOL. You don't put food on my table, you don't pay my bills, you essentially do not matter to me.

We don't acquire to flip. If a name no longer fits our business model, we drop it. If a new opportunity presents itself in the future we will re-acquire if necessary/available. AC received great offers but we were looking for partners/sponsors and people only wanted to buyout. Not our business model. We don't have time for that. Our original concept for AC didn't get the feedback we would've liked from our target market so we let it go and poured funding into other verticals/industries offline & online and focused heavily on building out our platform, our network and forming alliances with Lead-Generation, VC, SEO type-firms, etc. - now we can attack the market with a stronger foundation, smarter team and wider reach.
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For those that do not understand why we drop vs sell, it is simple: there's a great chance that the name will still be available if we need it later. If I sell it, most likely it'll be held onto. If we drop, the re-pricing takes effect and the name sits on the premium list in case we need it later.
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re: AC vs our other GEO
Our new GEO suits our needs much better and it's not even a contest which one I'd prefer to be part of going forward. There's no need to drop this one because our target market/audience is embracing our concept and we're happy with the model going forward. I'll even relocate if necessary.

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true. I monitor the premium list and there is activity.

fyi, Ahead.tv is not always right. this one cost far more than the price listed above.

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I wonder which one... there was an amazing one that dropped recently...

Ammudamus

I can't speak for Joel and his model, but a drop is a drop. Again, as has been mentioned thousands of times, just because a name drop doesn't mean the extension is dying or there is a 'major fallout.' It's exactly that; a drop. It may be an opportunity for someone else that can expand to obtain a great name for a reasonable price. Too much emotion goes into what other's do. Think about this way: If you create enough value on your asset (let's say it was a category killer) and it started generating enough income to offset renewal fees and other overhead, would you care if the another name in that category dropped? You would probably see it as an opportunity to grow your existing foundation.
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Just my two cents for what it's worth.

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redbat

The new owner is an entity that has spent alot of money on premiums and lost alot of money dropping premiums.

As far as development, I don't consider a countdown clock to launch as development. When this individual has a launched DOT TV he can show, I'm all ears. But all I witnessed during my days lurking on this board is all talk, no action.

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A business model where you drop a domain where you claim you got six figure offers is not a business model. Even with a market correction, you could still unload a domain that got offers that high for a decent price.

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OK. Care to share one site you operate.

Jimbojimbo

$5000 is $5000

That is one hell of a commitment.

I know of hundreds of 'developed' sites that cost a whole lot less.


Actually, can I add that if the owner has 'lost a lot of money on premiums', why on Earth would they be blindly buying more?


Those who have taken a hit (And there have been a few with premiums) tend to come on Namepros and slag .TV off.

NOT go buy even more expensive premiums!



I've dropped more names than I've kept. But anyone who has a garden will know that for every flower, you sometimes have to sow an awful lot of seeds.

redbat

[/COLOR]Fools Gold - especially if you regged tens of thousands in premiums and dropped 50% of them.

freedom30

Welcome to the board, redbat. We appreciate your input.

What interests you about the extension? Good or bad, what prompts you to break your lurk and actually introduce yourself to us "talkers", and what "action" would you be referring to? Something grandious, perchance?

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redbat

Over the past 3 or 4 years we have witnessed many posters who have come and gone, claiming great news, big offers, grand development and so far - not much.

I thought we had moved beyond fantasy posts about grand DOT TV developments. I guess not.

Post developed sites. Not grand plans.

I would like the board to return to the nice flow we had before the trolls return.

Jimbojimbo

Actually. We are here to talk about Telefon.TV not inquire as to the assets and ambitions of individual members of the .TV thread.

My apologies for being drawn in to this by a 'new' (nameless, but very identifiable) member.

That's what killed the old discussion area.

I like it better, when we are simply sharing advice and ideas.

redbat

No wild claims from a known entity got the thread off topic. Some many members must have flawed ESP. How many times have someone claimed they know a new poster only to be incorrect.

MrRhee

same old troll/loser as before. you can match up their choice of words with their other posts on this board and otherboards and identify them quite easily. it's a shame that they have to come back and pollute a productive discussion with their bitterness and negativity. misery loves company. I'll just choose to ignore them once again.

let's move this discussion to the private area.

redbat

I'm not the one "losing" money dropping premium DOT TV and then spending $5K regging more.

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Whatever that means, I hope it means you can post without making wild claims that have zero basis in reality.

MrRhee

such bitterness from anonymous trolls.
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how do you know if anyone is losing money or not? LOL. perhaps you're speaking for yourself... but we're not in that category.

I like to focus my time & energy on building my business not tearing other people down. Maybe that's why you're so depressed and bitter. If you life sucks so much, then change it.

Jimbojimbo

Redbat

I still love you in the real world, but Namepros is not as toxic these days and bitter discussions about the validity/motives/wealth/accounts of a person is not good form.

WE actually help each other these days - and it works.

redbat

Then please teach me, a novice. Show me a single DOT TV you have developed and make money. I'm a simple newbie trying to keep the board clean and learn from people who have done it before me.

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Agreed. Until the wild claim was made this afternoon. Post developed sites, not wild claims of six figure offers. Huge networks. Big dollars. Business Models. It was going fine until this guy opened his mouth with something that sounded like bragging.
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I have nothing to add. At least I'm smart enough not to post.

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And BTW if the other blowholes returned, I would have the same reaction.

Jimbojimbo

Things have moved on now.

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MrRhee

[QUOTE=redbat;3720861]Then please teach me, a novice. Show me a single DOT TV you have developed and make money. I'm a simple newbie trying to keep the board clean and learn from people who have done it before me.

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Agreed. Until the wild claim was made this afternoon. Post developed sites, not wild claims of six figure offers. Huge networks. Big dollars. Business Models. It was going fine until this guy opened his mouth with something that sounded like bragging.[COLOR="Silver"]

troll. plain & simple.

the discussion was leaning towards premium .TV and we were all advising most domainers to steer clear. some people pointed out that the costs are actually low when compared to B&M, and I added that there are more benefits to owning the generic premiums than just the revenue they produce: i.e. Opening doors FASTER vs SLOWER. YOU are the loudmouth troll who wants to upset a nice productive line of conversation. now you've killed it, and polluted the board like has happened many times before. it's no wonder .TV blogs and boards die so often... and conversations move into private arenas. too much time lost wasted with anonymous trolls and dealing with people who have failed and spend all their free time sharing their misery with the world. sad.
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bottom line: everyone measures success differently. there's not one business model that will fit every domain(er). diversify, find what works for you and repeat. at all costs: avoid the naysayers who only serve to drag you down and block your progress. they are meaningless.

redbat

Ok got it.. DOT TV is a horrible investment. It would be foolish to invest in the extension. Understood.

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Not sure how I can kill threads lurking, but OK

RPK

My view on premiums is much like the rest. I at one point owned about 45 premium names both privately and through my company. I have sold about 25 premium names before the economy took a turn for the worst making a huge profit (not bragging, just showing that it was/is possible to make money with premiums). I had to drop about 15 premiums this year that my company owned because we made a business decision not to develop them.

The premium game can get expensive, but I believe that if you find the right name that you are passionate about it can be a huge opportunity for a serious developer. As far as investment goes it is a lot riskier today then it was 2-3 years ago, but the market will come around. If you have the right name and can afford to hold on to them for a couple of years I believe it is a safe investment.

redbat

Thank you Qoof. Sharing data isn't bragging. But how many times have we heard about large TV networks that never came....or discussions with NBC that never materialized. Personally, I don't see how that information pertains to the extension unless a deal is finalized. Otherwise I can so say, hey a well known entertainer inquired about a DOT TV I own, she threw around six figures as an offer. Everyone else goes, "wow, great job" and some newbies like myself invest in the extension on bad data. Nothing ever transpires, life goes on...until the next tall tale.
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Selling premiums domains, with a number......I think many would love to hear that news

You are in discussions with some nameless, faceless entity that will make DOT TV the best thing since slice bread.....been there, done that. There are sites for fantasy authors, this isn't one of them.

Once again, thank you Qoof and Jimbo for keeping it real.

I will return to lurker mode - because I have nothing of value to add - hopefully we are back on track

snoop

Probably sums up the situation pretty well. It is a good sale for the seller, and no bargain for the buyer. Nothing wrong with that, (I wish I had more sales like that myself) but it is not indictitive of the market for similar .tv's.

Jimbojimbo

One buyer is all you need.

It is the price that counts - the value that ONE buyer puts on their new venture's name.

snoop

I think this argument "dried up" a long time ago along with similar arguments for .biz/.info/.us etc.

Most people do know what demand in like for .tv from their own experience. A healthy extension is one with a good degree of publicaly available sales data, it is the best and only way of guaging sales levels because a certain % of sales do go through venues that report.
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Whilst no doubt most .tv sales aren't reported, that is true in all extensions. "I know of a sale that I can't disclose" or "I sold [undisclosed name] for $XXXXX" or "I have an offer of $50,000 on england.tv" doesn't cut it. It is meaningless data.

Jimbojimbo

Snoop

As this comment was put forward by Ammudamus, he is obviously privy to information that the rest of us are not. I think we should respect that. I also think many people are aware, personally, of all manner of sales.

I personally have heard many direct conversations that start... "James I have just sold...." - indeed, I have sometimes sold, or even bought names that are not publicised - so what!

I base MY positive info on publicly known information - which - if I'm not mistaken is exactly what the sale of Telefon.TV is.

I just wish you would base your 'doom and gloom' info on valid info as well.

Argos

I guess this is a very nice sale taking into consideration that the buyer has spent 9,500 EUR for using the name as a simple redirection to a .de name for sale on Sedo.

freedom30

Yep. ...and the owner can use it anytime in the future for whatever plans may be on the horizon...sweet!
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Normal reg fee to boot...

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