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11-19-2009, 02:25 PM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/621078-halvarez-at-snapnames-auctions-uncovered.html For the record a lawsuit has been filed already, sometimes it's better to watch first then make moves. Let the show play for the time being.
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| When will Business Angels, Venture Capitalists, and Bankers, learn NOT to finance the acquisition ambitions of idiots....?!? The management capability of the Oversee/Snap people looks to me to be totally out of its depth. They appear to have NO concept of how to manage an organisation of integrity.....NO concept of how to manage a problem.....NO concept of how to manage market confidence.....NO concept of the value of substantial communication with customers & markets. Snap/Oversee are reluctantly offering small concessions only after being dragged screaming & kicking to do it... First, they finally released the records of affected auctions - so, people could check something as basic as the basis on which they would be rebated - ONLY after massive pressure from the community....Something that should have been volunteered immediately at the outset; Now, they modify the Settlement Agreement ONLY after more furious complaints that the thing read like a licence to cop out on the widest - and, arguably including, an unrelated - set of possible future claims....A document that should never have been produced in its original form. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Meantime, - They tell us NOTHING of substance about the core of the issue. - NOR, (beyond rebates) what, if anything, they intend to DO about it. - NOR, whether Oversee will press charges. - NOR, what action(s) they are/have taken to give us confidence this will never happen again. - Nor, their assessment of the ramifications of the impact (if any) on Oversee, itself - and Moniker et al. ...etc etc etc This outfit is showing us that they are either massively incompetent - or, genuinely corrupt - or, they simply don't 'get it'.... Idiocy is clearly no bar to being able to borrow other people's money, to buy assets that other people have built.....and, run it so badly that it damages an industry. .
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 are involved. A lot of times, they try to resolve issues without unnecessary bloodshed. (or even protect certain interests that lobby for them...) One does what one can under the circumstances, even if others don't consider it enough. | ||||
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C), and the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA). | ||||
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11-21-2009, 01:59 PM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 lets not digress in anger at each other. Maybe an apology is in order. NN
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11-21-2009, 02:17 PM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Plus, I am a victim too. Do Snapnames even owe you a single cent ?
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11-22-2009, 04:30 AM
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| Is Halvarez the only one? Hi Guys, I hate to be boring but I posted concerns to this forum nearly 3 years ago suspecting shill bidding on Snapnames from the alias poorman. The auction I got my fingers burnt in was for dubaiproperty.com - I have pasted two horse race part of the auction below... Auction End Time: 14-Jan-2007 12:15 PST Bidder Date Bid Amount Comment joe king 16-Jan-2007 06:55 PST $20,000.00 Completed joe king 12-Jan-2007 10:24 PST $20,000.00 Bid Placed poorman 12-Jan-2007 10:24 PST $19,998.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 18:07 PST $18,749.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 18:07 PST $18,499.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:50 PST $18,249.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:50 PST $17,999.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:50 PST $17,749.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:50 PST $17,499.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:40 PST $17,249.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:40 PST $16,999.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:40 PST $16,749.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:40 PST $16,499.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:39 PST $16,249.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:39 PST $15,999.00 Bid Placed ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:39 PST $15,749.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:39 PST $15,499.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $15,249.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $14,999.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $14,250.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $14,000.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:39 PST $13,250.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:39 PST $13,000.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:39 PST $12,450.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:39 PST $12,200.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:15 PST $11,950.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:15 PST $11,700.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:10 PST $10,250.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:10 PST $10,000.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:10 PST $7,995.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:10 PST $7,895.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $6,101.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $6,001.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $5,101.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $5,001.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $4,100.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $4,000.00 Bid Placed ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $2,600.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $2,500.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $1,550.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $1,500.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 11:50 PST $1,050.00 Bid Placed ...I have omitted other peoples identities from hereon... I also found the following auction involving 'poorman' which has a similar bidding pattern... http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-...snapnames.html In both cases, poorman would have been fully aware of the fact that proxy bids had been left on both of these auctions - either courtesy of insider information or by watching the timing and incremental increases of counter bids. With this knowledge, poorman would then be fully aware either way of the maximum proxy bid and thus would be able to make a final bid based upon this. In the case of my $20,000 auction, poorman would have known that the proxy bid was $20,000 but decided not to bid again to see if they could clinch the sale. A little suspect when one is prepared to pay $19,998 for a domain name (a large sum of money) but not willing to try a that little extra over the remaining 44 hours of the 72 hour auction. In the case of the babyblogs.com auction, again, poorman was willing to pay $999 but knowing that the proxy bid was $1,000 was not willing to pay the extra to try and clinch the sale despite having more than 48 hours to do so. Now of course, poorman with 'insider-style' knowledge did not have to be an employee of Snapnames but could have been an employee with bogus contact details in their account - especially if they were colluding with Snapnames to guarantee top dollar for auctions with proxy bids. In both cases Snapnames.com were guaranteed the maximum proxy bid - nice business model. Has anyone got any advice for me or had similar experiences with poorman? Furthermore, has anyone got any advice for me with regards to legal action? I am considering joining the class action case being taken up by Cueto Law Group: Miami International Law Attorney: Santiago Cueto Global Business Lawyer: International Litigation and Arbitration Thanks for your help, Joe |
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11-22-2009, 04:56 AM
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| * I suspect that there were (and maybe still are) other shill accounts at Snapnames; however, I do believe it becomes a bit tricky when you have just suspicions. What if your competitor is innocent? Then you have outted his name for nothing. On the other hand, how do we find out trends if we don't share information? I'm wondering if there is a way that a trusted member who has the ability and program to crunch the numbers could gather info via PM? In other words, suspicious activity could be tracked without outting someone who may simply be a frequent bidder, not a shill. Also, only one or two people would have the aliases of the suspicious bidders, who would only be outted if there is overwhelming evidence against them. I hope that we can agree that innocent bidders, for their financial security, should retain their privacy. *
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 True, but even aliases can be easy to figure out. If the other bidder beats you, wait a few days, and look the domain up, and, chances are, you will figure out who the bidder is--unless its a proxy registration or a third-party bidder. *
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11-22-2009, 06:12 AM
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| Hi Joe, I was in watching that auction, as were a couple of other namepros members I know of, one of them assured me they know who the bidder poorman is so maybe they will contact you with more info ? It does look a bit suspect but I know of another name poorman won at snapnames, I'll sent the details by PM so you can contact them, I doubt they would have a problem talking to you considering this whole Halvarez scam. I seem to be one of few that does'nt for one minute beleive Nelson Brady would have just used one bidding ID all these years considering all the talk on the forums about him  ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Personally I think you did really well getting it for that price but it was way out of my league  PM sent ! .
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Ms Domainer, JoeKing did not have the opportunity to look up the ID of the bidder from a winning bid, because every record of that user involved the user bidding *just under* the proxy bids of others, thereby appearing to have inside knowledge of bid amounts. If an ID never wins, then there is no way to determine that ID's legitimacy, and it certainly smells of "shill" that it has $19,998 to spend on a single domain (And thousands more to spend on others), yet never ended up winning a single auction that we have found. JoeKing - can you post the times of the original bids, redacting the names of the bidders other than you and PoorMan (And Halvarez, if he was in that auction. If Halvarez was not in that auction, that would make me even more suspicious.). I still fall back to the position that if Nelson was crafty enough to cheat Oversee/Snap by himself for years by using the name "Halvarez," then I hardly believe that was the only way he found to remove money from our wallets. If he was not crafty enough to outsmart Oversee/Snap for years by himself, well, everything should be suspect. Best of luck to JoeKing, -Allan  ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 ---------- Post added at 04:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:03 PM ---------- (Post-add: http://www.namepros.com/280115-big-d...apnames-4.html - deb knows "poorman" that well? If he's that active, we should see a lot more of him!) ---------- Post added at 04:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:08 PM ---------- (Post-add: http://www.namepros.com/280115-big-d...apnames-4.html - deb knows "poorman" that well? If he's that active, we should see a lot more of him!)
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Did poorman ever contact you in response to your request to Deb? Deb seems to know too much though. 
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Life's to short for me to describe how betrayed I feel. Take my loss of $200 and multiply that by x amount of domains/customers they cheated. The Boys n Girls in Blue will do the math for us and expose (MR.X and his associates) Anyone know the time? COUNTDOWN TO JAIL: XX:XX:XV:XII IV | ||||
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Auction End Time: 14-Jan-2007 12:15 PST Bidder Date Bid Amount Comment joe king 16-Jan-2007 06:55 PST $20,000.00 Completed joe king 12-Jan-2007 10:24 PST $20,000.00 Bid Placed poorman 12-Jan-2007 10:24 PST $19,998.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 18:07 PST $18,749.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 18:07 PST $18,499.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:50 PST $18,249.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:50 PST $17,999.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:50 PST $17,749.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:50 PST $17,499.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:40 PST $17,249.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:40 PST $16,999.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:40 PST $16,749.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:40 PST $16,499.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:39 PST $16,249.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:39 PST $15,999.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 16:39 PST $15,749.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 16:39 PST $15,499.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $15,249.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $14,999.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $14,250.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $14,000.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:39 PST $13,250.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:39 PST $13,000.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:39 PST $12,450.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:39 PST $12,200.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:15 PST $11,950.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:15 PST $11,700.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:10 PST $10,250.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:10 PST $10,000.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:10 PST $7,995.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:10 PST $7,895.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $6,101.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $6,001.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $5,101.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $5,001.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $4,100.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $4,000.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $2,600.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $2,500.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $1,550.00 Bid Placed poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:09 PST $1,500.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 11:50 PST $1,050.00 Bid Placed XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:50 PST $1,000.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 11:49 PST $925.00 Bid Placed XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:49 PST $900.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 11:49 PST $825.00 Bid Placed XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:49 PST $800.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 11:48 PST $725.00 Bid Placed XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:48 PST $700.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 11:48 PST $525.00 Bid Placed XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:48 PST $500.00 Bid Placed joe king 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $330.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $320.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $100.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $100.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $80.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $64.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $61.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $61.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid poorman 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid XXXXX 11-Jan-2007 11:44 PST $60.00 Initial Bid Essentially a two-horse race from the early stages ensuring the proxy bid was achieved before I could reduce my bid - then nothing for two days...probably booking his Caribbean holiday on those days... Poorman's last incremental bid could have dangerously short changed Snapnames of $1 - either his maths wasn't so good or he wanted to inject some form of realism. It all looks perfectly natural to me - who could possibly believe that there would be shill bidding under Snapnames' roof? Am I being cynical if I say that judging by the size of poorman's incremental bids he looked determined to win the bid at all costs? Surely he wasn't just determined to get to within a whisker away from the 'unknown' proxy bid? Surely not at Snapnames? With the babyblogs.com auction, poorman seems similarly determined to win with a bold initial bid (http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-...snapnames.html) but not as overzealous as in the dubaiproperty.com bid - maybe due to a lower proxy bid of$1,000 - not to say he was privy to that sort of information, of course. Again, am I being cynical or was poorman 'clever' enough to change his bid to end in 999 (poorman 11-Jan-2007 14:40 PST $14,999.00 Bid Placed) early on enough to not look too suspicious but also early on enough to ensure he didn't accidentally win - there's nothing worse than winning an auction you don't intend to win. Elementary my dear.
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| "I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!" Geez, Ebay should come in and take over! With their sterling reputation and squeaky clean bidness practices, Ebay will restore confidence in a matter of seconds...no wait make that NANOSECONDS!  Let's face it, both "Max Bid" and online gambling rely on the honesty of the hosting institution, if there is none, then you're worse off than being blind drunk, at the strip club with pockets full of cash and the ladies have their hands in there... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078  |
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| Perhaps I'm a bit of a rube here, and I certainly don't mean to be disrespectful. But frankly, if I were to bid for a domain that was worth any amount over a few hundred dollars, I would monitor the auction personally, and not post any proxy amounts in the first place. Without the proxy, there is no inside collusion, other than perhaps your bidding patterns from other auctions, or unless you have a legit competitor using proxies. If needed, I could always come back on the last scheduled day and put in a higher bid and see if there are any proxies in play from others. I realize that one may be bidding on hundreds of domains at at time, but I don't think one is bidding on hundreds of domains with bid amounts in the five figures at a time. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Could someone enlighten me just a tad here? My own strategy is to pick up domains on the 5$ godaddy site for a quick 50-100 dollar flip, so I'm not really in the know here when it comes to high-level domains. |
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