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GF · 11-06-2009, 01:48 PM

Has anyone been approached by attorneys regarding a class-action lawsuit?

labrocca · 11-06-2009, 02:21 PM

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I still can't figure out his motivation though for Brady to shill bid as a "single person" in the Oversee.net era.

Well apparently he had the ability to rebate part of the sale price to himself. So imagine buying a $xx,xxx quality name at half price and then flipping it quick. Heck you would even have a snapnames history to show what it previously sold for.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/621078-halvarez-at-snapnames-auctions-uncovered.html

We don't even know the discount he gave himself. It could have been even higher than 50%. I any case this is an example of corporate greed and what happens when things are not regulated. Also fair competition in the marketplace imho does not exist for domain drops. The very few auction houses could seriously be in bed with the registry. I am deeply troubled by the mention of NetSol in this. If Verisign is part of this via kickbacks then someone has to be acocuntable in their organization as well.

I applaud the feds for investigating a Rico case. This is a serious matter.

IAmAllanShore · 11-06-2009, 02:33 PM

Can anyone who has received an offer post the email address from which it came?
Also, is there anyone else who is expecting an offer who has not received it yet, or are they doing these in "batches?"
And finally, those of you expecting a certain amount, how were you able to expect a certain amount without being able to confirm your 2004 to Nov 2007 bid history? Did you preemptively save it all locally, or did you not bid prior to Nov 2007?
Best,
-Allan

deb · 11-06-2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by IAmAllanShore

Can anyone who has received an offer post the email address from which it came?
Also, is there anyone else who is expecting an offer who has not received it yet, or are they doing these in "batches?"
And finally, those of you expecting a certain amount, how were you able to expect a certain amount without being able to confirm your 2004 to Nov 2007 bid history? Did you preemptively save it all locally, or did you not bid prior to Nov 2007?
Best,
-Allan

SnapNames Rebate Administrator <snapnamesrebate@rustconsulting.vertismail.com>

HALVAREZ First Stole from me on APRIL FOOLS DAY 2005 How appropriate Nelson Thanks

---------- Post added at 01:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:36 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Galel

Has anyone been approached by attorneys regarding a class-action lawsuit?

It will be interesting to see what grounds they would base a suit on. (i know there is a lot)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078

I think snapnames are being pretty reasonable in resolving this.

BUT i want the history in my Snapnames account reinstated asap to verify RUSTs figures.

gazzip · 11-06-2009, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by IAmAllanShore

Can anyone who has received an offer post the email address from which it came?
Also, is there anyone else who is expecting an offer who has not received it yet, or are they doing these in "batches?"
And finally, those of you expecting a certain amount, how were you able to expect a certain amount without being able to confirm your 2004 to Nov 2007 bid history? Did you preemptively save it all locally, or did you not bid prior to Nov 2007?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078
Best,
-Allan

[snapnamesrebate @ rustconsulting.vertismail.com

I only got screwed $14 plus interest on 10 domains so I'm not that bothered about the money - it was pretty much what I expected, I made far more on the other pile of names where it was just me and him and he did'nt bid

They only sent me a list of the ones where he bid in or I had to bid over his $60 order to win, they go from Oct 2005 to December 2008

I still think the correct thing to do is put everybody's history back so they can check it themselves.

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npcomplete · 11-06-2009, 03:22 PM

I bet the paper shredders and hard drive wipers are going 24x7.

Brady acting alone, and *nobody* knowing about this fails the smirk test.

I am Shocked, SHOCKED I tell you that there was fraud in the auction business!

I wonder who will get caught in the cover up?

deb · 11-06-2009, 03:26 PM

I have a list from RUST 3 pages long!!

But no way to confirm its accuracy....

gazzip · 11-06-2009, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by deb

I have a list from RUST 3 pages long!!
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But no way to confirm its accuracy....

Bummer, don't accept it, I would'nt if I thought alot of money was involved.

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TheBaldOne · 11-06-2009, 03:40 PM

A quick word of warning:

Don't sign anything from RUST/SNAPNAMES/OVERSEE or any other agents until everything has been made crstal clear!

Remember the horrors of Bhopal, sleaze ridden lawyers were on the spot within hours getting people to sign away their rights for a few measly dollars, people who would latter be crippled with illness and pain, some of whom would die because of the explosion. Well anyone who signs a waiver agreement now will be losing big time when the truth does eventually come out!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078

Please note I do not personally equate Bhopal and this incident as similar in any way except that suddenly the perpetrator or the one with legal responsibility suddenly got very active offering peanuts without those affected being able to realise their true losses.

It may also be of interest to certain members to know that suspected tax fraud can be reported to the IRS by using IRS 'Form 3949-A' a copy of which is available as a PDF file online - this form can be used to report both individuals and companies.

canbrit · 11-06-2009, 04:28 PM

Rust Consulting certainly seem experienced in "Class Action Settlement administration"(as it says on their website). However, I doubt if they've ever had a group like this to deal with before. The domainer ("victim")group would be unusual in that many are linked and discussing everything right now on this and other forums. Some of us are switching back and forth between several forums. If all information continues to be pooled then there's less chance of anything being swept under the rug.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078

If those of you who have already received communications from Rust continue to request / demand that the Order History is re-instated then maybe Snapnames will finally do something about it. This aspect of the whole thing is just so insulting. "Trust us, trust us"...

CureCancer · 11-06-2009, 05:07 PM

Here's lame email i received. I'm not going to accept any decision they decide on!

Good Afternoon ,

Thank you for your email.

If you were affected by the inappropriate bidding, you will receive an email communication with detailed records, auction by auction, from Rust Consulting, the third party hired by the company to administer the rebates. The communication will be sent out later this week to all affected customers to their email address on file with SnapNames. If you do not receive a communication from Rust Consulting, none of your domain purchases or bidding was impacted by these events. If you do not receive the communication from Rust Consulting but believe you were affected please contact them at 888-413-5338 after November 5th.

Thank you,
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078

Jonathan

garptrader · 11-06-2009, 05:17 PM

I received my offer letter today - total rebate less than $50. My personal loss was not substantial but it is evident HAlvarez often appeared in auctions in 2008 and into early 2009. Checking my history I see a case where his bidding cost the winner of SouthFlorida.net (Lightning) over $1000 December 28, 2008 and cost me $5 on an auction in March 29th, 2009 (GamerMarket.com). I also see him present in an auction I won April 4, 2009 (Reparar.net) but he did not bid.

cmason · 11-06-2009, 05:20 PM

He was definitely involved in 2009 - I noticed him on a few auctions in which I participated in July. I didn't win and he didn't bid high, but he was still there.

maxeaus · 11-06-2009, 05:22 PM

Im amazed that they are so keen to resolve the whole matter as soon as possible, this should be a red flag straight away.

Obviously people must weigh up taking money now, or waiting for an investigation. Surely this is a criminal matter, and propper procedure needs to be followed.

Just sending out an email saying we will pay you, what we think is fair as soon as possible is not in any way satisfactory IMO. I believe this matter should be sorted out by a judge, at the very minimum.

I certainly would not let Oversee be the "judge" of how things go down.

MicroGuy · 11-06-2009, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by canbrit

However, I doubt if they've ever had a group like this to deal with before. The domainer ("victim")group would be unusual in that many are linked and discussing everything right now on this and other forums. Some of us are switching back and forth between several forums.

All the talk in the forums helps zero percent. There's about a 99% chance that Snapnames will get away with this fraud. The major news media does not care since it won't help viewership to run a story about some dull domainer scam.
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That leaves only one choice, class action lawsuit with big guns for attorneys. Otherwise, welcome to You're ScrewedVille™. IMO.

dumbluck · 11-06-2009, 05:37 PM

Brady is only 1 part of the picture.

I will tell you the real secret no one has mentioned : Brady also enlisted drop catchers like Answerable to shill bid.

That is why Snapnames only found 1 account tied to Brady. There are actually many more tied to drop catchers that Nelson Brady organized. Snapnames enlisted and worked with the big drop catchers to ramp up the price. Each drop catcher (registrar) had multiple accounts.

For those investigating for a class action, that's my two cents. Follow the $$. The drop catchers (registrars) had the most to gain.

cmason · 11-06-2009, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by dumbluck

Brady is only 1 part of the picture.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078
I will tell you the real secret no one has mentioned : Brady also enlisted drop catchers like Answerable to shill bid.

That is why Snapnames only found 1 account tied to Brady. There are actually many more tied to drop catchers that Nelson Brady organized. Snapnames enlisted and worked with the big drop catchers to ramp up the price. Each drop catcher (registrar) had multiple accounts.

For those investigating for a class action, that's my two cents.

Very interesting thought - do you have more information that you can share with regards to that claim? (I am not saying you are wrong at all, I am just genuinely seeking information).

dag · 11-06-2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by maxeaus

Im amazed that they are so keen to resolve the whole matter as soon as possible, this should be a red flag straight away.

Obviously people must weigh up taking money now, or waiting for an investigation. Surely this is a criminal matter, and propper procedure needs to be followed.

Just sending out an email saying we will pay you, what we think is fair as soon as possible is not in any way satisfactory IMO. I believe this matter should be sorted out by a judge, at the very minimum.

I certainly would not let Oversee be the "judge" of how things go down.

Of course if they didn't move quickly, everyone would be screaming at how slowly they were taking action. We'd all be hearing, "Where the hell's my money?!!"

There's a fine line between being responsive and seeming like you're trying to sweep things under the rug, I guess. Good luck to them trying to tread it...

maxeaus · 11-06-2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

All the talk in the forums helps zero percent. There's about a 99% chance that Snapnames will get away with this fraud. The major news media does not care since it won't help viewership to run a story about some dull domainer scam.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078

That leaves only one choice, class action lawsuit with big guns for attorneys. Otherwise, welcome to You're ScrewedVille™. IMO.

This is how it's looking isn't it? They sling you $50 and make you waive a law suit, then they drag Brady through the courts and claim millions off him, and somehow end up ahead on the whole deal?

AMAZING!

It dosnt matter if some one stole $50, $5000, or $5,000,000 off you, fraud is fraud.

deb · 11-06-2009, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by dumbluck

Brady is only 1 part of the picture.

I will tell you the real secret no one has mentioned : Brady also enlisted drop catchers like Answerable to shill bid.

That is why Snapnames only found 1 account tied to Brady. There are actually many more tied to drop catchers that Nelson Brady organized. Snapnames enlisted and worked with the big drop catchers to ramp up the price. Each drop catcher (registrar) had multiple accounts.

For those investigating for a class action, that's my two cents. Follow the $$. The drop catchers (registrars) had the most to gain.

Cant wait to hear Nelson's side of the Story.... "I was guilty" But you should hear what the "Other Guys" were/are doing!!

gazzip · 11-06-2009, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by dumbluck

Brady is only 1 part of the picture.

I will tell you the real secret no one has mentioned : Brady also enlisted drop catchers like Answerable to shill bid.

That is why Snapnames only found 1 account tied to Brady. There are actually many more tied to drop catchers that Nelson Brady organized. Snapnames enlisted and worked with the big drop catchers to ramp up the price. Each drop catcher (registrar) had multiple accounts.

For those investigating for a class action, that's my two cents. Follow the $$. The drop catchers (registrars) had the most to gain.

I did mention the possibility of partner registrars doing the same as they also gain from higher sales but unless there is some proof then its just speculation.....or paranoia

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Thanks

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MicroGuy · 11-06-2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by maxeaus

This is how it's looking isn't it? They sling you $50 and make you waive a law suit...

Yes. Sadly, that's their plan and it looks like it's working 100% as drawn up in the boardroom. Every time someone accepts a payoff, it takes a little more ammunition away from the remaining victims of this fraud. IMO.

harkster · 11-06-2009, 06:05 PM

I don't have any axes to grind here. I seldom use these services unless it is something I really like. With me it is, more than anything a realization that the whole drop/aftermarket auction system is IMO totally flawed.

But I decided it might be good to post something here that I posted to our Skype chat.

Quote:

If the offer makes you feel (as of today) compensated for any harm these actions may have caused then by all means take it and move on. On the other hand if you are willing to take a gamble (and may have to wait years) on something more then...

Snap may or may not survive but the one thing for certain is nothing will change as the whole auction system is flawed and rest assured that should Snap go under there will be another just as bad or maybe even worse to fill the greed void.

I don't care if it is some guy standing on a hay wagon selling an estate, selling high priced art in a room with gold plated light fixtures, eBay, or any other internet auction the same $hit happens and there is no way to stop it. You have to realize this and act accordingly.

It is likely plans are already being made over at Nothing but Junk.

dumbluck · 11-06-2009, 06:09 PM

Let's clarify things a bit.

Nelson Brady = Snapnames

This effort to separate and put the blame on one man is bullshit. They are one and the same. That is why I hold Snapnames responsible. Snapnames profited from the shill bidding and fraud.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078

Why is Oversee putting up smokescreen? I will tell you why. Oversee bought Snapnames in 2007. That is why they only admit to fraud before 2007. They want to point the blame on the original team. But that is not possible because Snapnames kept these guys on until a few weeks ago and let them run the business. Snapnames continued to shill bid after 2007. We even have screenshots of that on DNForum.

So Snapnames has criminal liability for the fraud.

dag · 11-06-2009, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

Yes. Sadly, that's their plan and it looks like it's working 100% as drawn up in the boardroom. Every time someone accepts a payoff, it takes a little more ammunition away from the remaining victims of this fraud. IMO.

If the amount that someone is offered by Snapnames is actually the amount that that person lost out on due to this fraud, there's no reason they shouldn't accept it. Sure, the whole situation sucks, and we all feel duped, but it doesn't mean you suddenly deserve more money than you actually lost.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078

If, on the other hand, you're pretty sure you're owed more than what you're being offered, wait until all the bidding history has been made available and see what else comes out.

And then there are those who lost out on domains that they might have won if they hadn't been won by halvarez. What's owed to these bidders will be much harder to calculate, and if there's a lawsuit, I'd say these are the folks who stand to gain the most from waiting for that.

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GF Buying Geo Domains Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 5,182	Has anyone been approached by attorneys regarding a class-action lawsuit? __________________ Economic Stimulus Act

11-06-2009, 02:33 PM	#403 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,332	Can anyone who has received an offer post the email address from which it came? Also, is there anyone else who is expecting an offer who has not received it yet, or are they doing these in "batches?" And finally, those of you expecting a certain amount, how were you able to expect a certain amount without being able to confirm your 2004 to Nov 2007 bid history? Did you preemptively save it all locally, or did you not bid prior to Nov 2007? Best, -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

11-06-2009, 03:22 PM	#406 (permalink)
npcomplete NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 976	I bet the paper shredders and hard drive wipers are going 24x7. Brady acting alone, and nobody knowing about this fails the smirk test. I am Shocked, SHOCKED I tell you that there was fraud in the auction business! I wonder who will get caught in the cover up? __________________ . (Just another mathematician obsessed with proving P != NP -- that is a math joke for job security) Smile! In a few short years you will realize that these are the good old days!

11-06-2009, 03:40 PM	#409 (permalink)
TheBaldOne Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,389	A quick word of warning: Don't sign anything from RUST/SNAPNAMES/OVERSEE or any other agents until everything has been made crstal clear! Remember the horrors of Bhopal, sleaze ridden lawyers were on the spot within hours getting people to sign away their rights for a few measly dollars, people who would latter be crippled with illness and pain, some of whom would die because of the explosion. Well anyone who signs a waiver agreement now will be losing big time when the truth does eventually come out! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Please note I do not personally equate Bhopal and this incident as similar in any way except that suddenly the perpetrator or the one with legal responsibility suddenly got very active offering peanuts without those affected being able to realise their true losses. It may also be of interest to certain members to know that suspected tax fraud can be reported to the IRS by using IRS 'Form 3949-A' a copy of which is available as a PDF file online - this form can be used to report both individuals and companies. __________________ Fig.ht - on Sedo or by negotiation directly (Fighters.com recently sold for $110k - so imagine the value of Fig.ht) :) Last edited by TheBaldOne; 11-06-2009 at 04:15 PM.

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CureCancer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,165	SNAPNAMES.com SCAMMERS - MONIKER.com - WARNING Here's lame email i received. I'm not going to accept any decision they decide on! Good Afternoon , Thank you for your email. If you were affected by the inappropriate bidding, you will receive an email communication with detailed records, auction by auction, from Rust Consulting, the third party hired by the company to administer the rebates. The communication will be sent out later this week to all affected customers to their email address on file with SnapNames. If you do not receive a communication from Rust Consulting, none of your domain purchases or bidding was impacted by these events. If you do not receive the communication from Rust Consulting but believe you were affected please contact them at 888-413-5338 after November 5th. Thank you, ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Jonathan __________________ Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth. Abraham Lincoln

11-06-2009, 03:26 PM	#407 (permalink)
deb NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 Follow @polarbeartrust	I have a list from RUST 3 pages long!! But no way to confirm its accuracy....

11-06-2009, 04:28 PM	#410 (permalink)
canbrit NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Great White North, Canada Posts: 318	Rust Consulting certainly seem experienced in "Class Action Settlement administration"(as it says on their website). However, I doubt if they've ever had a group like this to deal with before. The domainer ("victim")group would be unusual in that many are linked and discussing everything right now on this and other forums. Some of us are switching back and forth between several forums. If all information continues to be pooled then there's less chance of anything being swept under the rug. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 If those of you who have already received communications from Rust continue to request / demand that the Order History is re-instated then maybe Snapnames will finally do something about it. This aspect of the whole thing is just so insulting. "Trust us, trust us"...

11-06-2009, 05:17 PM	#412 (permalink)
garptrader NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 855	I received my offer letter today - total rebate less than $50. My personal loss was not substantial but it is evident HAlvarez often appeared in auctions in 2008 and into early 2009. Checking my history I see a case where his bidding cost the winner of SouthFlorida.net (Lightning) over $1000 December 28, 2008 and cost me $5 on an auction in March 29th, 2009 (GamerMarket.com). I also see him present in an auction I won April 4, 2009 (Reparar.net) but he did not bid. __________________ http://www.genericdomains.net/ http://www.dominericos.com/ http://www.premiumdomains.tv/

11-06-2009, 05:20 PM	#413 (permalink)
cmason Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,282 Follow @ColeMason	He was definitely involved in 2009 - I noticed him on a few auctions in which I participated in July. I didn't win and he didn't bid high, but he was still there.

11-06-2009, 05:22 PM	#414 (permalink)
maxeaus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 1,815	Im amazed that they are so keen to resolve the whole matter as soon as possible, this should be a red flag straight away. Obviously people must weigh up taking money now, or waiting for an investigation. Surely this is a criminal matter, and propper procedure needs to be followed. Just sending out an email saying we will pay you, what we think is fair as soon as possible is not in any way satisfactory IMO. I believe this matter should be sorted out by a judge, at the very minimum. I certainly would not let Oversee be the "judge" of how things go down. __________________ Drez Media

11-06-2009, 05:37 PM	#416 (permalink)
dumbluck New Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 15	Brady is only 1 part of the picture. I will tell you the real secret no one has mentioned : Brady also enlisted drop catchers like Answerable to shill bid. That is why Snapnames only found 1 account tied to Brady. There are actually many more tied to drop catchers that Nelson Brady organized. Snapnames enlisted and worked with the big drop catchers to ramp up the price. Each drop catcher (registrar) had multiple accounts. For those investigating for a class action, that's my two cents. Follow the $$. The drop catchers (registrars) had the most to gain.

11-06-2009, 06:09 PM	#424 (permalink)
dumbluck New Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 15	Let's clarify things a bit. Nelson Brady = Snapnames This effort to separate and put the blame on one man is bullshit. They are one and the same. That is why I hold Snapnames responsible. Snapnames profited from the shill bidding and fraud. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=621078 Why is Oversee putting up smokescreen? I will tell you why. Oversee bought Snapnames in 2007. That is why they only admit to fraud before 2007. They want to point the blame on the original team. But that is not possible because Snapnames kept these guys on until a few weeks ago and let them run the business. Snapnames continued to shill bid after 2007. We even have screenshots of that on DNForum. So Snapnames has criminal liability for the fraud.

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