German letter Ö, does it make it an IDN? - Page 2

Phio · 10-04-2009, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by dombastic

you link shows "Pinyin Entry"
most popular method
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/idn-discussion/608193-german-letter-does-it-make-idn.html

entering in latin characters

yes, so you type in pinyin, but what shows up in the browser or search bar is Chinese characters.

dombastic · 10-04-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Phio

yes, so you type in pinyin, but what shows up in the browser or search bar is Chinese characters.

i know
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(and i knew it)

Domainace · 10-08-2009, 05:17 PM

Here's why it doesn't matter that they type in romaji.

Take Nagoya eigyou Shigoto (maybe a bad translation, but it will serve...roughly Nagoya sales work)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=608193

They don't see the word as na-go-ya-e-i-go-shi-go-to, because the kanji/hiragana characters replace the romaji characters as they type. They never see this whole word in terms of romaji. In fact, most Japanese struggle with romaji - both writing and reading it.

In 1000 taxi rides in China, I met one driver who even knew a little English. I have no idea why he was driving a taxi. Do you think those other 999 drivers want to deal with roman letters any more than they have to?

To think that people would prefer a writing system other than their own is ridiculous on the face of it. When given a chance, the IDNs will dominate.

dombastic · 10-08-2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Domainace

Do you think those other 999 drivers want to deal with roman letters any more than they have to?

i did not say "more than they have to"
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and i am talking about the computer keyboard

Phio · 10-10-2009, 01:44 PM

interesting to ponder about those taxi drivers.

tonecas · 10-11-2009, 05:35 AM

this will go on and on and on... it's no use. prices are rising, interest in IDN is rising with government entities pushing this stuff but people don't seem to get it.

it's like the 90's where people were crazy to buy generics or simply english words/terms. or the late 90's and first years of this decade with 2 and 3 letter domains with absolute no meaning. who would want them?

The internet is one of the biggest revolutions in human history. And it is so under used right now. More than 2/3 don't know even what this is. It's incredible how it seems so hard to understand that 1,3 billion chinese, 1,1billion indians, 600 millions arabs and so many millions of people in countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Brasil, Mexico, etc, etc, that will enter the internet in a time were IDNs are becoming more mature and do not know how to speak or write in english will not find it intuitive to use their own language characters in domain names.

No one is saying that IDNs will overshadow ASCII domains. Only that they have an important role in things to come. A company that want's world reach will still use ASCII in their domain name. But for local branding/recognition OR for language targetting, even worldwide, IDN domains makes all sense.

ASCII was imposed to the world. I remember in early/mid 90's when i arrive to the Internet and tried to reach a site that used non US-ASCII and couldn't (like the character "ç"). I was puzzled when i need to right "c" int the domain name. If someone who speaks portuguese wants to built a site about "caça", wich means hunt/hunting, need to right it as "caca" wich means Shi*. It's very nice isn't it?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=608193

regards,
tonecas

dombastic · 10-11-2009, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by tonecas

It's incredible how it seems so hard to understand that 1,3 billion chinese, 1,1billion indians, 600 millions arabs and so many millions of people in countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Brasil, Mexico, etc, etc, that will enter the internet in a time were IDNs are becoming more mature and do not know how to speak or write in english will not find it intuitive to use their own language characters in domain names.

as i mentioned, most chinese enter chinese characters using latin characters
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that is a fact
there are other methods too
but this is the most popular one

idn's under .com, .pt or .de are available for years
but we know how often they are really used

of course, idn's are great for russians, arabs, etc

and for chinese too, it is just funny to hear that they will not have to use latin characters
because they still prefer to use them to enter chinese

saucey · 10-11-2009, 12:43 PM

Well said!

Rep added.

Originally Posted by tonecas

this will go on and on and on... it's no use. prices are rising, interest in IDN is rising with government entities pushing this stuff but people don't seem to get it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=608193

it's like the 90's where people were crazy to buy generics or simply english words/terms. or the late 90's and first years of this decade with 2 and 3 letter domains with absolute no meaning. who would want them?

The internet is one of the biggest revolutions in human history. And it is so under used right now. More than 2/3 don't know even what this is. It's incredible how it seems so hard to understand that 1,3 billion chinese, 1,1billion indians, 600 millions arabs and so many millions of people in countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Brasil, Mexico, etc, etc, that will enter the internet in a time were IDNs are becoming more mature and do not know how to speak or write in english will not find it intuitive to use their own language characters in domain names.

No one is saying that IDNs will overshadow ASCII domains. Only that they have an important role in things to come. A company that want's world reach will still use ASCII in their domain name. But for local branding/recognition OR for language targetting, even worldwide, IDN domains makes all sense.

ASCII was imposed to the world. I remember in early/mid 90's when i arrive to the Internet and tried to reach a site that used non US-ASCII and couldn't (like the character "ç"). I was puzzled when i need to right "c" int the domain name. If someone who speaks portuguese wants to built a site about "caça", wich means hunt/hunting, need to right it as "caca" wich means Shi*. It's very nice isn't it?

regards,
tonecas

Domainace · 10-11-2009, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by dombastic

and for chinese too, it is just funny to hear that they will not have to use latin characters
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=608193
because they still prefer to use them to enter chinese

Sorry, but this isn't connecting for me here. This is like saying most people prefer rubber tires on their cars. I mean, it's not a matter of preference if they aren't really given a choice.

They use latin characters because that's the easiest work-around so far. There are devices where you can use a stencil to write Chinese characters, and they have software to autocomplete each character and speed things up. And there may be other workarounds in the future.

Even if latin dominates the keyboard, it says nothing about people's language preferences. It just says there's still a gap in technology that needs bridging.

I just find it astounding that anyone can seriously believe that people would rather use unfamiliar foreign alphabets and languages rather than their own native language. The only reason IDNs don't dominate now is because:

1-People are not aware of them and
2- They are not fully integrated yet, and still incompatible with many browsers.

If you ask me, (and I'm giving you real ammo here, not a red herring) the real problem lies in adding subdomains and so on. As it is, you still have nativeIDN.com/roman letters, as far as I know. It needs to be worked out so that people can name their files naturally.

RTM · 10-15-2009, 03:09 PM

Interesting discussion, as we own fuer.net ... which is (amongst other usages) the German word "for"...

There are a bit over a billion results on Google for the term fuer. However those results include the German spelling of the word which is für.

When you run the same search for the term "fuer" (but in quotes) the number of results drops to 'only' 29,000,000...

dombastic · 10-16-2009, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by RTM

When you run the same search for the term "fuer" (but in quotes) the number of results drops to 'only' 29,000,000...

and what is so surprising or interesting?
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most germans have german keyboards
so they write "ü"

their is no reason to write "ue" in the text (content of the pages)

url is a different story

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10-08-2009, 05:17 PM	#28 (permalink)
Domainace Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Japan Posts: 1,879	Here's why it doesn't matter that they type in romaji. Take Nagoya eigyou Shigoto (maybe a bad translation, but it will serve...roughly Nagoya sales work) ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=608193 They don't see the word as na-go-ya-e-i-go-shi-go-to, because the kanji/hiragana characters replace the romaji characters as they type. They never see this whole word in terms of romaji. In fact, most Japanese struggle with romaji - both writing and reading it. In 1000 taxi rides in China, I met one driver who even knew a little English. I have no idea why he was driving a taxi. Do you think those other 999 drivers want to deal with roman letters any more than they have to? To think that people would prefer a writing system other than their own is ridiculous on the face of it. When given a chance, the IDNs will dominate.

10-11-2009, 05:35 AM	#31 (permalink)
tonecas NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 811	this will go on and on and on... it's no use. prices are rising, interest in IDN is rising with government entities pushing this stuff but people don't seem to get it. it's like the 90's where people were crazy to buy generics or simply english words/terms. or the late 90's and first years of this decade with 2 and 3 letter domains with absolute no meaning. who would want them? The internet is one of the biggest revolutions in human history. And it is so under used right now. More than 2/3 don't know even what this is. It's incredible how it seems so hard to understand that 1,3 billion chinese, 1,1billion indians, 600 millions arabs and so many millions of people in countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Brasil, Mexico, etc, etc, that will enter the internet in a time were IDNs are becoming more mature and do not know how to speak or write in english will not find it intuitive to use their own language characters in domain names. No one is saying that IDNs will overshadow ASCII domains. Only that they have an important role in things to come. A company that want's world reach will still use ASCII in their domain name. But for local branding/recognition OR for language targetting, even worldwide, IDN domains makes all sense. ASCII was imposed to the world. I remember in early/mid 90's when i arrive to the Internet and tried to reach a site that used non US-ASCII and couldn't (like the character "ç"). I was puzzled when i need to right "c" int the domain name. If someone who speaks portuguese wants to built a site about "caça", wich means hunt/hunting, need to right it as "caca" wich means Shi*. It's very nice isn't it? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=608193 regards, tonecas

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