Michael Jackson - The Ultimate Marketer!

rikii · 06-27-2009, 07:45 AM

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-...alive-com.html

Didn't take long for people to start selling them on here.

sdsinc · 06-27-2009, 08:45 AM

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SO you've waited 5 years for someone to die in order to capitalize on his death :hmm
There is something sick in domaining

**Mark** · 06-27-2009, 09:26 AM

Anyone else using this thread to advertise their scumbag Domains for sale - or advertise their own sites will be going away .... for good ! .... Got it ?

If you want to profit from loss of life - Go into other businesses ... "Domainers" have a bad enough image problem without such mess.

**El Bandolero** · 06-27-2009, 09:52 AM

I agree Mark this is something that is totally effed up, and if I could get the media's attention to this people I would but then it would just give them more publicity. Even tho and I hope if the family ever found they took charge against this people.

shane mac · 06-27-2009, 10:00 AM

Could not agree more Mark.
In domaining we are all here to make money.Nothing else.We are not here to have fun, its a business our pension funds.

When tragedies happen I view 2 type of domainers come out to play and try to earn some money.

Type 1) Sicko/scumbag domainers
Type 2) Moral domainers

2000+ domains registered in jacko's name the last couple of days.Probably 95% of them related to his death/died/autopsy/overdose/murdered etc yadayada i.e the sicko/scumbag domainers came out of their hideaway and bought them.Put a few ads on and watch the clicks come in.Yeah they will make some cash but at what cost to the domainer industry and to their own dignity.Think of michaels family and the billions who loved him.Yet you want the sick names.

5% will be registered for other purposes.The tribute/memorial/fans/loved.Moral domainers hoping to make money.Yes they will benefit from it,but they drew the line.The boundry between moralaity and sick.Those domains will remain for ever and hopefully bought in good faith to make a ligitimate business from.

This kind of topic will always be brought up and no matter how many times we flame those who are the sick ones they will keep doing it.They are more than likely part time domainers who sit at home all day watching the latest news for the latest tragedy.They are not professional domainers and we cannot associate ouselves with them.They probably couldn't give a toss what we say here and will not stop doing it.

We can argue amoungst ourselves for days about it,but as that slimeball who just posted his domain,was a new member,this proves my point.They are not real domainers they are domainer ambulance chasers.

sdsinc · 06-27-2009, 11:44 AM

The irony is that often if not most of the time these people are not even domainers, but domainers foot the bill.

domainsamurai · 06-27-2009, 12:50 PM

Don't know if it has been posted yet. This is my favorite new MJ website.

ISMICHAELJACKSONSTILLALIVE

-REECE- · 06-27-2009, 12:53 PM

Someone just recently tipped me off that MichaelJordanIsDead.com has been regged... I really don't know what's sicker -- profiting off someone who's died or regging domains of a living person hoping they'll die so they can cash in. And 99% of the time these domains are private registrations, so the people know what they're doing is immoral, else, why would they be trying to hide?

Someone please rep Mark for me - wont't let me.

GreenGambler · 06-27-2009, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by -REECE-

And 99% of the time these domains are private registrations, so the people know what they're doing is immoral, else, why would they be trying to hide?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/592469-michael-jackson-domain-name-what-wrong.html

Someone please rep Mark for me - wont't let me.

They know it's immoral but they don't care because to them money is more important than morals.

_Mark repped for REECE.

**Archangel** · 06-27-2009, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mark

Anyone else using this thread to advertise their scumbag Domains for sale - or advertise their own sites will be going away .... for good ! .... Got it ?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469

If you want to profit from loss of life - Go into other businesses ... "Domainers" have a bad enough image problem without such mess.

Agreed completely.

-REECE- I repped him on your behalf

lexisdomains · 06-27-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by kev

Hoping this MJ thing isn't going to drag on for weeks. Its sad but there's faaaar more important things going on in the world

Michael Jackson - The Ultimate Marketer

In speaking and learning from the Michael Jackson legacy, It can be said that he was the ultimate marketer in landing the first multi-million ($10 million) dollar deal with Pepsi in 1982 and then yet again with Sony Records ($1 billion dollars) in 1992.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469

Wow!

This guy really knew how to promote and drive consumers to a brand! And this is why, even in spite of controversy, large label advertising media firms sought Michael's expertise.

---------- Post added at 11:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:00 PM ----------

In fact, If any of us could sell domains like Michael Jackson sold records, none of us would have a need for a day job!

dotker · 06-27-2009, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by lexisdomains

Michael Jackson - The Ultimate Marketer

In speaking and learning from the Michael Jackson legacy, It can be said that he was the ultimate marketer in landing the first multi-million ($10 million) dollar deal with Pepsi in 1982 and then yet again with Sony Records ($1 billion dollars) in 1992.

Wow!

This guy really knew how to promote and drive consumers to a brand! And this is why, even in spite of controversy, large label advertising media firms sought Michael's expertise.

---------- Post added at 11:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:00 PM ----------

In fact, If any of us could sell domains like Michael Jackson sold records, none of us would have a need for a day job!

im not gonna be too schocked if hes alive and hiding or another one of earning gimiks.. the public is starting to hate him for being a child *cant even say the word.(ALTHOUGH NOT PROVEN AS I KNOW OF.)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469

but ill just play history album and watch how the world unfolds for now.

sdsinc · 06-27-2009, 06:24 PM

MJ names are being put up for appraisal on NP as we speak. Unsurprisingly those names are worth zilch. That follow the herd mentality is one of the things that irks me in the business

ecalc · 06-27-2009, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by shane mac

Could not agree more Mark.
In domaining we are all here to make money.Nothing else.We are not here to have fun, its a business our pension funds.

When tragedies happen I view 2 type of domainers come out to play and try to earn some money.

Type 1) Sicko/scumbag domainers
Type 2) Moral domainers

2000+ domains registered in jacko's name the last couple of days.Probably 95% of them related to his death/died/autopsy/overdose/murdered etc yadayada i.e the sicko/scumbag domainers came out of their hideaway and bought them.Put a few ads on and watch the clicks come in.Yeah they will make some cash but at what cost to the domainer industry and to their own dignity.Think of michaels family and the billions who loved him.Yet you want the sick names.

5% will be registered for other purposes.The tribute/memorial/fans/loved.Moral domainers hoping to make money.Yes they will benefit from it,but they drew the line.The boundry between moralaity and sick.Those domains will remain for ever and hopefully bought in good faith to make a ligitimate business from.

This kind of topic will always be brought up and no matter how many times we flame those who are the sick ones they will keep doing it.They are more than likely part time domainers who sit at home all day watching the latest news for the latest tragedy.They are not professional domainers and we cannot associate ouselves with them.They probably couldn't give a toss what we say here and will not stop doing it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469

We can argue amoungst ourselves for days about it,but as that slimeball who just posted his domain,was a new member,this proves my point.They are not real domainers they are domainer ambulance chasers.

The 95% immoral/5% moral reasoning is specious and self serving. Who is the arbiter of tasteless names? Is michaeljacksonrip.com good or bad? No amount of hand waving or word parsing changes the truth: 100% of these MJ domains exploit the name of a famous person. MJ domain registrants who are not named Michael Jackson or do not have the express written consent of Michael Jackson or his estate are using the celebrity's name for personal gain. Most of the MJ regs we've seen this week will earn less than reg fee parked or developed, but in aggregate they are real IP theft and economic damage (lost revenue) to the MJ estate. In fact, the commercially useful MJ names that you condone cause the most economic damage thanks to ad viability and market life.

Predictable counter-arguments
1) Yeah but my site will generate music royalties that trickle down to the estate.
Response: Many IP owners promote themselves by buying online ads, so it's quite possible that the estate will pay Google to pay middlemen to pay publishers who are raking in dough on infringing names. Nobody likes to get screwed without a vote.
2) Yeah but my site is a memorial with no ads.
Response: The domain is skimming traffic that could otherwise be directed to the IP owner and there is no guarantee that usage won't change.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469
3) Yeah but I have good intentions.
Response: The road to you know where is paved with good intentions. Not every parasite is a bloodsucker, but let's call a spade a spade.
4) Yeah but how do you know my site isn't about some other guy named Michael Jackson?
Response: the same way all the whiners know the death names are about the pop star.
5) Yeah but my name is Michael Jackson.
Response: OK you win, next beer's on me.

**Archangel** · 06-27-2009, 11:11 PM

Nicely put. Reps added.

But the last part isn't quite right: We are pretty sure your name isn't Michael Jackson because your domain is MichaelJacksonAutopsyPhotos.com and surely you're not so morbid as to own a domain for a future site that'll show your ripped-up torso.

Originally Posted by ecalc

The 95% immoral/5% moral reasoning is specious and self serving. Who is the arbiter of tasteless names? Is michaeljacksonrip.com good or bad? No amount of hand waving or word parsing changes the truth: 100% of these MJ domains exploit the name of a famous person. MJ domain registrants who are not named Michael Jackson or do not have the express written consent of Michael Jackson or his estate are using the celebrity's name for personal gain. Most of the MJ regs we've seen this week will earn less than reg fee parked or developed, but in aggregate they are real IP theft and economic damage (lost revenue) to the MJ estate. In fact, the commercially useful MJ names that you condone cause the most economic damage thanks to ad viability and market life.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469

Predictable counter-arguments
1) Yeah but my site will generate music royalties that trickle down to the estate.
Response: Many IP owners promote themselves by buying online ads, so it's quite possible that the estate will pay Google to pay middlemen to pay publishers who are raking in dough on infringing names. Nobody likes to get screwed without a vote.
2) Yeah but my site is a memorial with no ads.
Response: The domain is skimming traffic that could otherwise be directed to the IP owner and there is no guarantee that usage won't change.
3) Yeah but I have good intentions.
Response: The road to you know where is paved with good intentions. Not every parasite is a bloodsucker, but let's call a spade a spade.
4) Yeah but how do you know my site isn't about some other guy named Michael Jackson?
Response: the same way all the whiners know the death names are about the pop star.
5) Yeah but my name is Michael Jackson.
Response: OK you win, next beer's on me.

lexisdomains · 06-27-2009, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by ecalc

MJ domain registrants who are not named Michael Jackson or do not have the express written consent of Michael Jackson or his estate are using the celebrity's name for personal gain.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469
FYI: Post-Mortem Right of Publicity - California Law (1984)

Thanks ecalc. Most of these domainers are in for a rude awakening! I would suggest promptly canceling your registrations of these domains.

Here's the law in regards 'Intellectual Property rights' of deceased celebrity personalities:

In 1984, the California legislature enacted Civil Code section 990 (renumbered as section 3344.1 in 1999), creating a post-mortem right of publicity for “deceased personalities,” – individuals whose names, voices, signatures, photographs, or likenesses had commercial value as of the time of their death.[22] This legislation became effective January 1, 1985.

In 1999,this California law was reenacted as the “Astaire Celebrity Image Protection Act.”

Most significantly, the Astaire Amendment required consent of the celebrity’s heirs in order to use and or commercialize such things as plays, books, magazines, newspapers, musical compositions, films, and radio, television shows, etc.

The bill also extended the descendible right of publicity from 50 years to 70 years following the celebrity’s death. This means that you could not lawfully use and or profit from any investment that reflect the intellectual rights of this celebrity image. (Michael Jackson).

Michael Jackson was indeed a residence of California and his family maintains descendible rights to any intellectual property, including domains that reflect his name.

I hope some of you will take note of this law. If not, you will definately learn the hard-way.

Reference: www.supnik.com/cc33441.htm

tkstark · 06-28-2009, 01:31 AM

thanks lexisdomains. finally, an argument that makes sense.

i got no patience for all this nonsense about moral exploitation vs immoral eexploitation. it's illegal. case closed. now maybe people will get on with your lives and stop hyperventilating about something they have no power to change.

donrich · 06-28-2009, 10:03 AM

guys mj is dead and gone in peace i think i about the time we all make enough money from him after enough fun for years.
but plz and plz don't mess him up,
just make your money like the media but don't mess him up bcos tomorrow might be yours

Jasonn · 06-28-2009, 10:07 AM

cnn and all other news corps, magazines, tv shows ect are all cashing in his death. Why are domainers held to a higher standard?

**Archangel** · 06-28-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Jasonn

cnn and all other news corps, magazines, tv shows ect are all cashing in his death. Why are domainers held to a higher standard?

This arguement has been answered a thousand times. Let's not waste our time explaining it again.

~ The 34 Year Buzz!! · 06-28-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by tkstark

actually, i believe the general public and corporations have a negative view of domainers because what we do - most of us - is morally indefensible on its face. the difference between those death vultures and most of the rest of us is a matter of degrees.

nobody who reads the news each day hoping to be the first domainer to catch wind of the latest invention or trend has any right to complain about anybody capitalizing on a death. we all have lines we will not cross. some draw their lines lower than others. but there's always somebody who draws his line higher than your's. it's all relative.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469

i think the average person gets a low opinion of domainers the minute he tries to register the perfect name and learns some domainer is sitting on it and will only give it up for big bucks. that average person says the same thing about domainers that some of us today are saying about the obituary vultures. people say these things about all of us countless times each day, and they say these things not because one of us registered michaeljacksonisdead.com - the average person couldn't care less - but because one of us registered the name they had wanted for their website.

with few exceptions, domaining is an industry of hoarders and vultures. we swoop up domain names solely for the purpose of making money off people who may need that name for his or her website. that's reason enough to create hatred in people. we live in a moral gray zone.

to act as if it's nobler to register TodaysBigInvention.com than it is to register TodaysBigDeath.com is either an exercise in hypocrisy or willful blindness.

Wow, really interesting post.
Remember, several of us are developers, more than domainers.

I have mixed feelings about sitting on domains, and the "art of domaining."
Competition helps assure that at least some domainers provide end users with low-prices on the domains they are seeking.
So, a number of "us" actually provide a useful service, by keeping certain domains out of the hands of "the truly greedy big boys."

goodkarmaco · 06-28-2009, 12:38 PM

People who have a problem with those who register a name of a famous person who dies sees no problem with watching a documentry or a life story about the person.

The producer will pick " a name" for the show or documentary, ( like a domainer) and then will line up advertisers. Then domainers and their families will sit and watch the show putting millions iinto the pockets of the actors, and producers.

So there you go.

**Archangel** · 06-28-2009, 01:28 PM

Were you trying to make a point? Just about everything you said is wrong.

For one: A doc is made as a form of art. Its sole creation is to teach/motivate/inspire or entertain.

Two: Just because ppl watch a doc on, say, Charles Manson doesn'r mean the person is sadistic & wants to folow his example. Unethical domainers cannot be compared to this: They register bad-faith domains with their bad intentions. I don't and had never watched a doc with bad intentions. I dunno anyone who ever had.

Three: Producers do not "line up advertisers." It's not their job. You're thinking of the stations that play the docs.

Your comparison holds no weight. You were wrong, sir. "So there you go."

Originally Posted by goodkarmaco

People who have a problem with those who register a name of a famous person who dies sees no problem with watching a documentry or a life story about the person.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=592469

The producer will pick " a name" for the show or documentary, ( like a domainer) and then will line up advertisers. Then domainers and their families will sit and watch the show putting millions iinto the pockets of the actors, and producers.

So there you go.

**El Bandolero** · 06-28-2009, 01:49 PM

Seriously I was looking on ebay and people selling MJ domains for 5 million are effing retarded. Who the hell is going to give them 5 mil for a domain like that? I really dout that anyone will buy it at that price. Like any other famous person that has died in the past it will die down eventually it'll take time but it will. Everyone will move on with their life and this people will only realize that what they did was stupid.

**Archangel** · 06-28-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by El Bandolero

Seriously I was looking on ebay and people selling MJ domains for 5 million are effing retarded. Who the hell is going to give them 5 mil for a domain like that? I really dout that anyone will buy it at that price. Like any other famous person that has died in the past it will die down eventually it'll take time but it will. Everyone will move on with their life and this people will only realize that what they did was stupid.

Absolutely. This also shows that these sellers aren't 'real' domainers. toys.com sold for $5mil. candy.com sold for about $3mil. MichaelJackson.com migt not fetch over $5mil. So who in the right mind would pay $5mil for MichaelJacksonIsDeadCurrentNews.com?

Answer: Anyone who wants these domains and has the cash to fork over. The latter might be the case but the former is extremely unlikely.

06-27-2009, 08:45 AM	#152 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,547	[quote=tonygumbah69;3493159] DELETED/quote] SO you've waited 5 years for someone to die in order to capitalize on his death :hmm There is something sick in domaining __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists Last edited by mis_chiff; 06-27-2009 at 08:48 AM.

06-27-2009, 11:44 AM	#156 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,547	The irony is that often if not most of the time these people are not even domainers, but domainers foot the bill. __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists

06-27-2009, 06:24 PM	#163 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,547	MJ names are being put up for appraisal on NP as we speak. Unsurprisingly those names are worth zilch. That follow the herd mentality is one of the things that irks me in the business __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists

06-28-2009, 01:31 AM	#167 (permalink)
tkstark NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 754	thanks lexisdomains. finally, an argument that makes sense. i got no patience for all this nonsense about moral exploitation vs immoral eexploitation. it's illegal. case closed. now maybe people will get on with your lives and stop hyperventilating about something they have no power to change. __________________ ---------------- NFC Handsets \| Girl Superheroes \| Superhero Cape \| Simple Touch Readers

06-28-2009, 10:03 AM	#168 (permalink)
donrich NamePros Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 155	guys mj is dead and gone in peace i think i about the time we all make enough money from him after enough fun for years. but plz and plz don't mess him up, just make your money like the media but don't mess him up bcos tomorrow might be yours __________________ REFERRAL LINKS ARE NOT PERMITTED

06-27-2009, 07:45 AM	#151 (permalink)
rikii NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 570 Follow @5ync	http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-...alive-com.html Didn't take long for people to start selling them on here.

06-27-2009, 09:26 AM	#153 (permalink)
Mark Hi :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 9,565	Anyone else using this thread to advertise their scumbag Domains for sale - or advertise their own sites will be going away .... for good ! .... Got it ? If you want to profit from loss of life - Go into other businesses ... "Domainers" have a bad enough image problem without such mess.

06-27-2009, 09:52 AM	#154 (permalink)
El Bandolero Forum Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 764	I agree Mark this is something that is totally effed up, and if I could get the media's attention to this people I would but then it would just give them more publicity. Even tho and I hope if the family ever found they took charge against this people.

06-27-2009, 10:00 AM	#155 (permalink)
shane mac Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Uk Posts: 1,026	Could not agree more Mark. In domaining we are all here to make money.Nothing else.We are not here to have fun, its a business our pension funds. When tragedies happen I view 2 type of domainers come out to play and try to earn some money. Type 1) Sicko/scumbag domainers Type 2) Moral domainers 2000+ domains registered in jacko's name the last couple of days.Probably 95% of them related to his death/died/autopsy/overdose/murdered etc yadayada i.e the sicko/scumbag domainers came out of their hideaway and bought them.Put a few ads on and watch the clicks come in.Yeah they will make some cash but at what cost to the domainer industry and to their own dignity.Think of michaels family and the billions who loved him.Yet you want the sick names. 5% will be registered for other purposes.The tribute/memorial/fans/loved.Moral domainers hoping to make money.Yes they will benefit from it,but they drew the line.The boundry between moralaity and sick.Those domains will remain for ever and hopefully bought in good faith to make a ligitimate business from. This kind of topic will always be brought up and no matter how many times we flame those who are the sick ones they will keep doing it.They are more than likely part time domainers who sit at home all day watching the latest news for the latest tragedy.They are not professional domainers and we cannot associate ouselves with them.They probably couldn't give a toss what we say here and will not stop doing it. We can argue amoungst ourselves for days about it,but as that slimeball who just posted his domain,was a new member,this proves my point.They are not real domainers they are domainer ambulance chasers.

06-27-2009, 12:50 PM	#157 (permalink)
domainsamurai New Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 17	Don't know if it has been posted yet. This is my favorite new MJ website. ISMICHAELJACKSONSTILLALIVE

06-27-2009, 12:53 PM	#158 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,996	Someone just recently tipped me off that MichaelJordanIsDead.com has been regged... I really don't know what's sicker -- profiting off someone who's died or regging domains of a living person hoping they'll die so they can cash in. And 99% of the time these domains are private registrations, so the people know what they're doing is immoral, else, why would they be trying to hide? Someone please rep Mark for me - wont't let me.

06-28-2009, 10:07 AM	#169 (permalink)
Jasonn NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 321	cnn and all other news corps, magazines, tv shows ect are all cashing in his death. Why are domainers held to a higher standard?

06-28-2009, 12:38 PM	#172 (permalink)
goodkarmaco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blaine, Wa. Posts: 1,976	People who have a problem with those who register a name of a famous person who dies sees no problem with watching a documentry or a life story about the person. The producer will pick " a name" for the show or documentary, ( like a domainer) and then will line up advertisers. Then domainers and their families will sit and watch the show putting millions iinto the pockets of the actors, and producers. So there you go. __________________ GOODKARMACO, "Tenisonline"

06-28-2009, 01:49 PM	#174 (permalink)
El Bandolero Forum Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 764	Seriously I was looking on ebay and people selling MJ domains for 5 million are effing retarded. Who the hell is going to give them 5 mil for a domain like that? I really dout that anyone will buy it at that price. Like any other famous person that has died in the past it will die down eventually it'll take time but it will. Everyone will move on with their life and this people will only realize that what they did was stupid.

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