.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ? - Page 4

dotcomisdead · 06-22-2009, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by -REECE-

For post #56, as I said earlier, I don't comment on the decision of other Namepros mods/staff. Namepros is fairly careful about who they allow to become a moderator/staff member and I trust the judgement of the decision made by them.I have a blog, I have a business to run, and I moderate 2 other forums here on Namepros -- I have better things to do than check over the decision of other mods/staff which I believe are more than competent enough to make good choices. So long as people follow the forum rules, they can say anything good or bad about .mobi they want.

I don't know how anyone could say I'm not balanced -- maybe I'm not super hero .mobi mod deleting every negative comment about .mobi, however I've never deleted any pro-.mobi comments which didn't attack other members of this forum.

Hi Reece, I don't think anyone expects you to be all things to all members, all of the time... even professional referees get it wrong now & then.
It is very important to move on now though, the mobi section needs careful & sensible moderating for a while to restore any kind of confidence in the forum.
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I have done a bit more reading & I've now spoken to a number of ex-members of NP who were either banned or have quit because of the senseless 'mobi-bashing' (which I would like to make quite clear is NOT the same thing as simply not agreeing with a pro-mobi member).

It doesn't need explaining because I trust that no-one who visits this thread would be chirlish enough to declare that nothing has gone wrong with the dotmobi forum here on NP.
What's done is done and there are new domainers registering names every day.. there are new members here at NP every day and within 12months there will be 100's of new members who will wonder what this thread is all about as they go about their business discussing the mobile internet & trading their domain names... At least, that's what should happen over the next 12months.. whether or not it does remains to be seen.

Toodle pip

***mwzd*** · 06-22-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

That's quite a departure from your earlier post, but I'll accept that you failed to initially clarify who you were talking about in your earlier post.

Actually its a departure in your understanding of what I posted both times.

Originally Posted by scandiman

Can you show me an actual example of anyone who thinks .mobi is their god and savior? Since you bothered to post it in this thread then you must have at least one example you can provide. Please note that as someone who knows many of the major .mobi investors, there is no tld worship that I am aware of. Being an enthusiasts is not worship.

There are hundreds of examples, I'm sure you can look them up on your own, whether you will understand why I call them cult like in behaviour might not be as easy.

Being enthusiasts is one thing, blatantly misleading people about the state of the tld and or its investment futures without an eye at current market conditions is another. And personal attacks on anyone who doesn't agree is the cherry on the cake.
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The kind of stuff you should be looking for viz .mobi comments:

- "There is not much movement in the domainer markets, but end users love them" - complete bs, since domainers are the first to cover any / all domains that an end user might even be remotely interested in.

- "Its a great investment, just needs time to mature" - really? If the domain is worthless now, it probably will also be in the future. Unless someone offers you solid proof on 'why it would be a great investment', its just propaganda.

- "Going to a .mobi site is a guarantee that it will be mobile compliant" - come now

- ".mobi is a great investment since in 5 years substantially more people will be surfing the web via their mobile devices than via pc's" - not really again, a. .mobi has nothing to do with the mobile web as a whole, which has come of age already w/o needing .mobi and b. in 5 years you'll also have multiple new tlds which might be more brandable and easier to use and might even become the default mobile internet tld, something .mobi hasn't been able to do

- "Companies are using .mobi more and more, not cos technically they have to, although does offer a guarantee, but its also about branding." - sure, just like .info, .name and .asia - all four letter tlds are pretty much in the same boat as far as to domainer pricing / sales are concerned.

I could spend a couple of days digging them up, but I think you get the message, and I have a business to run. Not every post in the .mobi forum needs to say how great it is or how it will cure the national deficit from the profits its investors make.

Originally Posted by scandiman

You may not have an agenda but I think you're being naive when you say no one has it in for .mobi enthusiasts.

I encourage you to do the same, when you refer to people as cultists, be clear as to whom you are speaking.

Originally Posted by scandiman

Thanks for drawing attention again here, a perfect example of the naysayer arrogance that has permeated the .mobi section of NP since the beginning of the extension. I'm curious how those who have and continue to profit from .mobi will be categorized.

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is an 'arrogant naysayer' and you expect conversations to be civil? You rile enough people and some of them will bite back and the only defence one sees from .mobi 'enthusiast' when the person makes sense is personal attacks. Way to avoid the cult stereotype.

Originally Posted by dotcomisdead

the mobi section needs careful & sensible moderating for a while to restore any kind of confidence in the forum.

This forum did very well before .mobi and will do as well after. I don't think NamePros needs .mobi for its survival, quite the contrary in fact.

And if by 'careful & sensible' moderating you mean keeping the naysayers out, not going to happen. You're a new member, choose your loyalties carefully and don't try to teach mods how to do their job.

Oh and reading a few posts by someone doesn't give you a complete picture of that person, you assume I'm a '.pro' fan, I'm no such thing, only have 26 .pro names which is less than 2% of my portfolio.

Originally Posted by dotcomisdead

I have done a bit more reading & I've now spoken to a number of ex-members of NP who were either banned or have quit because of the senseless 'mobi-bashing' (which I would like to make quite clear is NOT the same thing as simply not agreeing with a pro-mobi member).

You're known by the company you keep. Members are banned for valid reasons as per the status forum rules.
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Anyone not sucking upto the .mobi promotion bandwagon is 'mobi-bashing' and automatically becomes a target for 'cult members' to attack personally, since they can't really refute the content of what's said.

Originally Posted by dotcomisdead

It doesn't need explaining because I trust that no-one who visits this thread would be chirlish enough to declare that nothing has gone wrong with the dotmobi forum here on NP.

There is nothing wrong with the .mobi forum here at NP. As always its a place where both viewpoints are encouraged and nurtured, exactly in accordance with its charter. What is changing now is that the reality about .mobi's resale value is biting people where it hurts - the bank balance, why they get extremely churlish when questioned.

Disagree with someone, feel free to post. Keep personal attacks, bad language and insulting innuendo out and you're fine. Promote competing domain forums, cheat people and encourage illegal behaviour, you will not be welcome here any longer. Its in the rules, read them.

hawkeye · 06-22-2009, 03:17 PM

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There is nothing wrong with the .mobi forum here at NP.

the forum..no. It's those that continually goad and ridicule others for - .. investing in it; ..owning them; ..not listening to those that 'know'; etc etc., that is the problem.
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Quote:

As always its a place where both viewpoints are encouraged and nurtured

..disputable in the .mobi forum.

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Disagree with someone, feel free to post.

HA. You are not really printing this are you??????

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What is changing now is ...

Seems a few with the 'mod' title are now running around to every sub-forum deleting and lecturing others like it's 'their' forum. (Aren't mods assigned to a subforum for a reason??)

Morph · 06-22-2009, 04:11 PM

Why does this only happen with .mobi? It's the only extension so many people have sand in their fanny over.

Is it
A crap extension but those who have bought into it wont accept it?

A normal extension but there's just more debate than usual? If so why?

A great extension and a lot of people can't see it?

mjnels · 06-22-2009, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Morph

Why does this only happen with .mobi? It's the only extension so many people have sand in their fanny over.

Is it
A crap extension but those who have bought into it wont accept it?

A normal extension but there's just more debate than usual?

A great extension and a lot of people can't see it?

dude you just blew my mind. this is quite possibly the most thought provoking post of all time.

dotcomisdead · 06-22-2009, 05:09 PM

I have commented in bold to your post.. I think one or two of the bold bits may be yours but I think it's readable...

Originally Posted by Samit
- "There is not much movement in the domainer markets, but end users love them" - complete bs, since domainers are the first to cover any / all domains that an end user might even be remotely interested in.
If that is true, how is it that I get most of my enquiries via Whois when END-USERS have tried to reg a name, found it taken & then contact me?

- "Its a great investment, just needs time to mature" - really? If the domain is worthless now, it probably will also be in the future. Unless someone offers you solid proof on 'why it would be a great investment', its just propaganda.
To use your phrase "come now" Are you really saying that the dotmobi HAS matured? Please don't go there, it's no more matured than my 5yr old daughter or 7yr old son.. They are both a damn site more mature than they were 2 years ago but they've got a long way to go yet

- "Going to a .mobi site is a guarantee that it will be mobile compliant" - come now
Agreed, compliance isn't guaranteed but it is statistically speaking about 1,000x more likley to be compliant than any other 'random' url

- ".mobi is a great investment since in 5 years substantially more people will be surfing the web via their mobile devices than via pc's" - not really again, a. .mobi has nothing to do with the mobile web as a whole, which has come of age already w/o needing .mobi and b. in 5 years you'll also have multiple new tlds which might be more brandable and easier to use and might even become the default mobile internet tld, something .mobi hasn't been able to do
May I say "come now" again? I cannot believe what I am hearing from you here.."the mobile web has come of age! - really?... so how will we describe the mobile web in 2009 when we look back in 2015? Will we all be commenting on how little it has changed in the last 6 years? I really think not my friend!
A new TLD may become the mobile default? Are you suggesting that a new TLD could usurp dotcom where dotmobi has (in your eyes) failed? ICANN won't allow any new TLD's that might be confused with existing TLDs.... and regardless of what you think of dotmobis chances of success, you surely have to accept that if any TLD is going to be the mobile default; it is likely to be dotmobi... unless ICANN throw away all of their rulebooks & guidelines?
"a dotmobi has nothing to do with the mobile web" If that is correct, pray tell us what dotmobi is then please because I thought it was launched to offer a global TLD for mobile content

- "Companies are using .mobi more and more, not cos technically they have to, although does offer a guarantee, but its also about branding." - sure, just like .info, .name and .asia - all four letter tlds are pretty much in the same boat as far as to domainer pricing / sales are concerned.
Maybe you miss the point? dotmobi is about branding because it fits the mobile arena... branding a dotinfo doesn't really assist in branding does it? If it's a commercial site the branding of 'info' for information isn't really much of a USP is it? .ASIA is about as brandable as a week old prawn sandwich... what 'branding' image can a marketing supremo using .asia cunjure up for it's customers? "Hey, visit our new web site.. it's cool, it's aimed at YOU because you're in.... Asia lol I don't think many people in Asia will take kindly to that.. they might be in Malaysia or Singapore or Korea.. but a site ending .mobi tells a story.. it's for you - on your phone! Not rocket science I admit but it works. As for dotname... I'd almost forgotten that .name existed until you mentioned it.. the global branding for .name is as restrictive as .tv imho.. who wants a dotname domain except?... urm? I'm struggling to think of any!
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I could spend a couple of days digging them up, but I think you get the message, and I have a business to run. Not every post in the .mobi forum needs to say how great it is or how it will cure the national deficit from the profits its investors make.
I wouldn't be so smug regarding the money dotmobi backers have put into the extension.. we may or may not make a decent return.. I've sold less than 100 dotmobi domains in coming up 3 years.. but I haven't listed maby for sale yet; all my sales bar a handful have been end users & for many 1,000's% profit.. of course, I have ploughed that back into renewals etc.. so I am still invested with my own cash.. but I also fear for anyone who has spent good money on anything other than strong .com / .net / .info / .org & countrycodes because all the others are highly speculative and from what I've been seeing ALL prices are down.. so maybe we're all on a hiding to nothing?

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is an 'arrogant naysayer' and you expect conversations to be civil? You rile enough people and some of them will bite back and the only defence one sees from .mobi 'enthusiast' when the person makes sense is personal attacks. Way to avoid the cult stereotype.

This forum did very well before .mobi and will do as well after. I don't think NamePros needs .mobi for its survival, quite the contrary in fact.
NP doesn't need the 'mobi section' and dotmobi doesn't need NP... my earlier references were about the mobi section in isolation, it won't flourish if a biased agenda is followed; it seems almost as if the rest of the domaining world is fearful of the ability of some pro-mobi members to articulate their thoughts and beliefs as if to bamboozle the others and feel the need to protect the weak & the innocent against the inevitable failure of dotmobi.. such as Jeff & Labrocca. To be honest, I admire their spirit - it is admirable that they look out for others and I would tend to do so myself; I don't advise any domainer to pay much more than $250 for any random dotmobi unless a) they can afford to take the risk or b) they plan to develop it.

And if by 'careful & sensible' moderating you mean keeping the naysayers out, not going to happen. You're a new member, choose your loyalties carefully and don't try to teach mods how to do their job.
I detect a hint of arrogance or "sense of threat" in your tone... I can assure you that I don't need to tell you how to do your job.. just look at the terms & conditions; you should find all the information you need on how to be a moderator there... and I don't believe that includes threatening members as opposed to maybe warning them when they step out of line

Oh and reading a few posts by someone doesn't give you a complete picture of that person, you assume I'm a '.pro' fan, I'm no such thing, only have 26 .pro names which is less than 2% of my portfolio.
I apologise if I was given the wrong info... may I ask (& it's not a trick question) how many of your 1,500 odd domains are dotmobi? (you did state that you own some earlier)

You're known by the company you keep. Members are banned for valid reasons as per the status forum rules.
I keep very good company thank you very much.. I would respectfully ask that you don't patronise me by insinuating that I keep bad company; it's that kind of thing that leads to bad feeling

Anyone not sucking upto the .mobi promotion bandwagon is 'mobi-bashing' and automatically becomes a target for 'cult members' to attack personally, since they can't really refute the content of what's said.
I'm quite capable of refuting comments made where I see fit.. you may have noticed that when genuine comments are made about dotmobi I will be the 1st to acknowledge that concern on the forums

There is nothing wrong with the .mobi forum here at NP. As always its a place where both viewpoints are encouraged and nurtured, exactly in accordance with its charter. What is changing now is that the reality about .mobi's resale value is biting people where it hurts - the bank balance, why they get extremely churlish when questioned.
We are all different, some domainers are kids playing with pocket money, others have 7 figures in the bank.. it's somewhat pointless to assume that we can tell the difference without knowing each member personally

Disagree with someone, feel free to post. Keep personal attacks, bad language and insulting innuendo out and you're fine. Promote competing domain forums, cheat people and encourage illegal behaviour, you will not be welcome here any longer. Its in the rules, read them. That's fine by me... shall we move on & have some decent discussion now?

namewaiter · 06-22-2009, 05:24 PM

out of curiosity, does team leader mean site management?

does it have rank over moderator?

hawkeye · 06-22-2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by namewaiter

out of curiosity, does team leader mean site management?

does it have rank over moderator?

Very good question!
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And who's on what team?

Also, what are the other teams here? Is there a schedule involved too?
And do we get to pick new team leaders?

-REECE- · 06-22-2009, 05:32 PM

moderator -> team leader -> member services -> administrator (RJ, NPQueen)

Team leaders have moderator powers over all sections of the forum, whereas moderators only have mod powers over the forums they moderate.
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Originally Posted by namewaiter

out of curiosity, does team leader mean site management?

does it have rank over moderator?

scandiman · 06-22-2009, 05:37 PM