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Old 07-26-2009, 10:31 PM THREAD STARTER               #51 (permalink)
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Sorry for late reply mate. I was on 8 hour sleep.

Note: We only took $751 from you. Don't try to act over smart and don't play emotional game plz.

Note: We started this service after lots of testing and with more then 10 PR8 pages. After that when we see that pages are filling with lots of links, so we close working on those pages, to provide our clients maximum juice, at the end we had 5 pages left. (they were also half filled).

Note: Mr. Play claiming that after he took link from us, he just go to that public forum and create an account there and start posting. hahahah That is not a public forum my dear. That is totally students forum and only students can able to post there. We are in affiliation with 1 student and he is doing that work on our behalf and we pay him the amount as we agreed upon him. How can Mr. Play just go there and place his links.. Totally lying. The real story is we caught username PLAY on that forum to do spam. we report to him with screenshots and he said this is not your business. you do your own work. what is this.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/advertising-and-seo-services/587242-selling-pr8-permanant-edu-link-unique.html

So Mr. Play you are playing very smartly here. Why not you also quoted the Emails in which we explained to you the technical reasons. Ok that's fine. So we are quoting them here for our other clients understanding.

We told him the technical reason:

Another thing is this page where we placed your links is static URL, if this had permalink mode (Example: codex.wordpress.org/Editing_wp-config.php , this is permalink wise page). then we need to think about pages, but this is static URL so we don't need to care about different pages
this is SSL encrpted static url
alum.mit.edu/discuss/edit!default.jspa?messageID
urls will generate from programical method, search engine will collect details from min domain
like this types of urls links

i am talking about links/pages usage
https://alum.mit.edu/discuss/message...geID=5051#5051 This is some technical stuff that we shared with you ... the whole summary is this
MIT urls : technical/static urls
blog / other URLs: permanent / custom urls

There is no need to worry! I promise, if these links will remove again in future, we will give you full refund.

Now your links are completely secure!

This is the reason we told him and if any SEO expert is here, he will confirm that we are write.

So different pages problem is now gone.


Now Imagine! we guide him to that pages, he next create affiliation with 1 university guy as he is also from US, so he may know anyone. that guy place links on his behalf. now suppose, how we allow us to grab money if he can do that work of his own. that's the point. There is nothing on pages difference as any technical expert will agree to what we explained.

You can see we sold these links to any people not on this forum but also to others. but all of there links are still there. Why this happened with him only. and we are guaranteeing to him that now links are completely secured. that's it.

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"Note: We only took $751 from you. Don't try to act over smart and don't play emotional game plz."

Key word - TOOK
Not sure what emotional game Im playing, $751 for you, $900 for me, as you know Im in Canada


"Note: We started this service after lots of testing and with more then 10 PR8 pages. After that when we see that pages are filling with lots of links, so we close working on those pages, to provide our clients maximum juice, at the end we had 5 pages left. (they were also half filled)."

I dont see the relevancy in this statement. Care to explain?

"Note: Mr. Play claiming that after he took link from us, he just go to that public forum and create an account there and start posting. hahahah That is not a public forum my dear. That is totally students forum and only students can able to post there. We are in affiliation with 1 student and he is doing that work on our behalf and we pay him the amount as we agreed upon him. How can Mr. Play just go there and place his links.. Totally lying. The real story is we caught username PLAY on that forum to do spam. we report to him with screenshots and he said this is not your business. you do your own work. what is this."

Thats funny, since you posted the URL here for everyone, how about a little experiment? How about some of the readers here try and make a free account... what a laugh.. you dont notice the resemblance? Well I cant say Im surprised Umer.. BTW, the user Play did spam? Really? Funny how EVERY link you made me on that forum, YES with your free account got deleted. Any of mine deleted? As you mentioned you didnt even post relevant, which is why yours all got deleted. So whos the spammer?

"So Mr. Play you are playing very smartly here. Why not you also quoted the Emails in which we explained to you the technical reasons. Ok that's fine. So we are quoting them here for our other clients understanding."

Well Umer, thanks for the compliment, I wouldnt want to be perceived as anything BUT smart

"Another thing is this page where we placed your links is static URL, if this had permalink mode (Example: codex.wordpress.org/Editing_wp-config.php , this is permalink wise page). then we need to think about pages, but this is static URL so we don't need to care about different pages
this is SSL encrpted static url
alum.mit.edu/discuss/edit!default.jspa?messageID
urls will generate from programical method, search engine will collect details from min domain
like this types of urls links

i am talking about links/pages usage
https://alum.mit.edu/discuss/message...geID=5051#5051 This is some technical stuff that we shared with you ... the whole summary is this
MIT urls : technical/static urls
blog / other URLs: permanent / custom urls
"

Nice argument, but trying to confuse the facts by masking them with other facts just isnt going to deter me. You agreed to one link per page. I dont care if you get Matt Cutts to call me himself, and explain that 6 links on one page is a good as 6 links on unique pages. You agreed to one unique page per unique link, nothing you say can change that, and nothing you say can justify your actions.

"There is no need to worry! I promise, if these links will remove again in future, we will give you full refund."

1. See above.
2. You sound surprisingly willing to give a refund based on principles, so why have I had to ask 30 times then?
3. I think your credibility went out the window the first time those links were deleted.


"This is the reason we told him and if any SEO expert is here, he will confirm that we are write."

If anyone with an IQ over 60 is here, they will let you know your in breach of our agreement, admittedly.

"So different pages problem is now gone."

So is your credibility with anyone who reads this.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242

"Now Imagine! we guide him to that pages, he next create affiliation with 1 university guy as he is also from US, so he may know anyone. that guy place links on his behalf. now suppose, how we allow us to grab money if he can do that work of his own. that's the point. There is nothing on pages difference as any technical expert will agree to what we explained."
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242

Again, Im Canadian, I thought you would have noticed when you charged my credit card. Perhaps the Admins here on namepros can tell you if I have ever, once in the years Ive been a member here, NOT connected from a Canadian IP? Need I even say more about the FREE account I made? Im sure someone reading this would like to try and make an account, and see if it works?? - Technical experts cant change a scammer into a good man Umer, sorry but only you can do that.

"You can see we sold these links to any people not on this forum but also to others. but all of there links are still there. Why this happened with him only. and we are guaranteeing to him that now links are completely secured. that's it."

I really dont see how you find that relevant Umer, youve already admitted here in public that all the links I payed you $900(CDN) DID infact get removed. Remember this part from our initial correspondence?

"Surely these links will be permanent and there is no need to worry about."

As I mentioned, your credibility is GONE.

Im going to ask again Umer, please refund me. Stop fighting the inevitable, your wrong. Man up and make good.



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Sorry for late reply mate. I was on 8 hour sleep.

Note: We only took $751 from you. Don't try to act over smart and don't play emotional game plz.

Note: We started this service after lots of testing and with more then 10 PR8 pages. After that when we see that pages are filling with lots of links, so we close working on those pages, to provide our clients maximum juice, at the end we had 5 pages left. (they were also half filled).

Note: Mr. Play claiming that after he took link from us, he just go to that public forum and create an account there and start posting. hahahah That is not a public forum my dear. That is totally students forum and only students can able to post there. We are in affiliation with 1 student and he is doing that work on our behalf and we pay him the amount as we agreed upon him. How can Mr. Play just go there and place his links.. Totally lying. The real story is we caught username PLAY on that forum to do spam. we report to him with screenshots and he said this is not your business. you do your own work. what is this.

So Mr. Play you are playing very smartly here. Why not you also quoted the Emails in which we explained to you the technical reasons. Ok that's fine. So we are quoting them here for our other clients understanding.

We told him the technical reason:

Another thing is this page where we placed your links is static URL, if this had permalink mode (Example: codex.wordpress.org/Editing_wp-config.php , this is permalink wise page). then we need to think about pages, but this is static URL so we don't need to care about different pages
this is SSL encrpted static url
alum.mit.edu/discuss/edit!default.jspa?messageID
urls will generate from programical method, search engine will collect details from min domain
like this types of urls links

i am talking about links/pages usage
https://alum.mit.edu/discuss/message...geID=5051#5051 This is some technical stuff that we shared with you ... the whole summary is this
MIT urls : technical/static urls
blog / other URLs: permanent / custom urls

There is no need to worry! I promise, if these links will remove again in future, we will give you full refund.

Now your links are completely secure!

This is the reason we told him and if any SEO expert is here, he will confirm that we are write.

So different pages problem is now gone.


Now Imagine! we guide him to that pages, he next create affiliation with 1 university guy as he is also from US, so he may know anyone. that guy place links on his behalf. now suppose, how we allow us to grab money if he can do that work of his own. that's the point. There is nothing on pages difference as any technical expert will agree to what we explained.

You can see we sold these links to any people not on this forum but also to others. but all of there links are still there. Why this happened with him only. and we are guaranteeing to him that now links are completely secured. that's it.

Thx for your read.
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Thanks for participating in my little experiment lloydsolutions, and welcome to namepros! rep given!
I appreciate it.

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Just to let you know I have registered and posted..not deleted yet! My 2 cents.

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I never understood people who try to sell something that is free. It would be okay if they'd been selling the URI where you can post a comment, thus charging for their effort of finding that site. But to charge for links... Nonsense.

PS. And how is a link posted in that thread PR8?
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Good question, I was wondering if my PR plugin was malfunctioning, guess not..

Thanks for feedback!

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I never understood people who try to sell something that is free. It would be okay if they'd been selling the URI where you can post a comment, thus charging for their effort of finding that site. But to charge for links... Nonsense.
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PS. And how is a link posted in that thread PR8?
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Thread is closed. Here is the reply from the OP. Sent to me in PM.

After this only PM me so I can keep other staff members in the loop and prepare a good report of things.

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Sir here is a post that we want to add there.... It's very very short then previous one. but hopefully it works..

plz paste it at our thread.

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I just wrote a very detailed Post but when I clicked to submit, thread was already closed, so when I pressed the back button, found that reply box is empty. So now can't able to go deep but to talk to the point with you.

So Mr. Play! we know that we placed link above, no problem because that service is now close on this forum. We are not that crazy on money, basic intention to place links above is to let clients know what was going around.

We placed more then 50 links on those pages, we are working on this project from last 2 months, didn't found any complain like this before. that $751 is not a very big deal for us but the thing is principle.

Just answer to us a really very simple question that Now you have assess to those pages as you bought credit or make an affiliation with any MIT student, so how you can allow us to took payment of yours while you can now do that work yourself? Simply answer this. This is exectly what you are trying to do. We told you a way, now you want to puch us to the wall and do that work of your own at minimum rates.

You simply bought a credit for placing links there or you make an affiliation with any student, that's what you are doing. We are not that fool to not understand that.

Why not You see what our other clients says about our work.

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Hi,

Just to let you know I have registered and posted..not deleted yet! My 2 cents.

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This is totally impossible, we are not that idiot, we pay thousands of $$$ also if we can able to login there to 1 MIT student who put our clients links on that site as we can't able to access there.

I just tried now as well but can't able to register there as that site only for MIT students to discuss the matters.

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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242

I never understood people who try to sell something that is free. It would be okay if they'd been selling the URI where you can post a comment, thus charging for their effort of finding that site. But to charge for links... Nonsense.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242

PS. And how is a link posted in that thread PR8?
Dear Mr. dmi, you know how hard is to find a PR8 pages, if they are too simple then why not anyone place links of his own. It's really hard to do that. We found those pages and after that we also found 1 MIT student who is reliable. Make an affiliation with him. This process took more then 20 days, we then tested, with our own sites and after complete assurance, we started this service to our regular and new clients. We till now placed more then 50 links on those pages. We are not begging to clients that plz buy these links. We told them the benefits and decision is totally their. So we did work in researching and then we will eat fruits of that


Hopefully that already been clear that this guy Mr. Play playing double game, first find the URLs from us, now want to also get back the money. that hopefully will not happened as we spent to many other clients and their good reviews are also there on this thread.

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Okay thread open for discussion.

So Hay now give me your clarification.

I feel you have no right to sell those links. Moreover if technically I would say then they aren't even PR 8 links.

Because I myself went in spammed and got a thread created and it is also showing PR 8.

The talks about you having some affiliation with some student in there and him paying him up is all fake.

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This is totally impossible, we are not that idiot, we pay thousands of $$$ also if we can able to login there to 1 MIT student who put our clients links on that site as we can't able to access there.

I just tried now as well but can't able to register there as that site only for MIT students to discuss the matters.
If you are right then, I can't just go there and register and make posts. Infact I not just only posted but I created a whole new thread for whatever keyword I wanted



So keeping story short. I think anyone can go and post and he is just doing that. Making up stories of affiliation with students and all stuff.

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Hello,
First thanks so much for posting our reply there.

I already explained that our work is to place links on PR8 pages. and those PR8 pages have only for students. no one can allow to post there....

There are only 2 options to post on those pages
1) if you are MIT student/administration urself
2) if you buy credit for placing the links.

Thats the process. Try to post on this https://alum.mit.edu/discuss/thread....=5063&tstart=0 thread. This is PR8 sold page.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242
do that and you will notice that.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242
Thx
To which my reply is

Originally Posted by -Nick-
Okay and as to make you happy I also posted on https://alum.mit.edu/discuss/thread....ID=5114ᏺ

Thanks.
So there is nothing to be sold here it is just that you are scamming people.

So dear Hay please refund all people as soon as possible.

If you are not going to answer to my PM's then your account will also get closed here. I will also see on other forums where you scam people I will go and press the alarm button.
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Thanks for getting involved -Nick- and for being supportive! Just goes to show how protective the Namepros staff is for its members, A+++

I was getting rather tired of arguing. Much appreciated

Like -Nick- says Umer, please refund me. And please refund the other namepros users who paid you. If not, expect charge backs.. Ill be submitting my claim tomorrow, so if you have any desire to preserve your relationship with your processor, now is the time to man up.

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Okay thread open for discussion.

So Hay now give me your clarification.

I feel you have no right to sell those links. Moreover if technically I would say then they aren't even PR 8 links.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242

Because I myself went in spammed and got a thread created and it is also showing PR 8.

The talks about you having some affiliation with some student in there and him paying him up is all fake.



If you are right then, I can't just go there and register and make posts. Infact I not just only posted but I created a whole new thread for whatever keyword I wanted



So keeping story short. I think anyone can go and post and he is just doing that. Making up stories of affiliation with students and all stuff.

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One more PM from him



To which my reply is



So there is nothing to be sold here it is just that you are scamming people.

So dear Hay please refund all people as soon as possible.

If you are not going to answer to my PM's then your account will also get closed here. I will also see on other forums where you scam people I will go and press the alarm button.
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this sucks... i too registered n posted one reply..

thanks play1234/nick.

initiating a chargeback right away.
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Why not you guys understanding that we offered links those are permanent there and they are still alive. I recommend to everyone who bought our services, need to check there links again to verify.. They are 100% permanent there. and those pages also PR8. There is nothing for chargeback really...These are the 2 things that we offered to our clients.

and regarding that sign up problem.. I just now again tried but not able to register there.. student registration asking ISBN ID that I can't able to provide.

I swear to God that we paid hundreds of $$ to university student and that's true, but this is not your concern, your concern is 100% permanent and PR8 links and what what we did for all of you.

There is nothing about scamming you people.

---------- Post added at 10:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 PM ----------

<-----------Update---------->

After trying and testing the sign up process 3-4 time. Finally we make an account there. That's really weird but it is fact.

It's our lose not our clients, we paid to that student for doing that even we can do that ourselves as well. but our goal is to provide 100% permanent links and on PR8 pages and that's what we did.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242

Hopefully you can understand. We never scammed anyone. We fullfil what we advertised but account creation is our negligence.

For Moderator Nick. Plz think about it, if we created this account before and posted there, then how can we asked you to try to create an account there and why we posted above link as well.

If that was the case, we surely hide things, but we didn't because we believed that there were only students who can do that work. But this is totally between us and that MIT student, not for our clients. They received what we advertised. That's it.
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Let me get this straight, you are the victim?

Even if you were foolish enough to be paying some student regularly to post in a free forum, YOU still owe US our money back. As a service provider of ANY kind, it is your absolute obligation to honor your agreements. So even if it is how you say it is, which I dont believe for a nanosecond, it STILL means that your service was misrepresented, and ALL payments you accepted under false pretense, knowingly or not. Any legitimate business man in that position will take the loss, and make good with his clients. I would have expected you to know that.

Let me tell you, you arent going to convince anyone here that you arent a scammer, unless you refund those payments immediately.

Keep in mind that myself, and everyone else here who WILL initiate a chargeback will include this thread in their claim. Its cut and dry. Dont you think it might make more sense to REFUND us, and preserve your relationship with your processor?

Ball is in your court Umer. Make good.

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Why not you guys understanding that we offered links those are permanent there and they are still alive. I recommend to everyone who bought our services, need to check there links again to verify.. They are 100% permanent there. and those pages also PR8. There is nothing for chargeback really...These are the 2 things that we offered to our clients.

and regarding that sign up problem.. I just now again tried but not able to register there.. student registration asking ISBN ID that I can't able to provide.

I swear to God that we paid hundreds of $$ to university student and that's true, but this is not your concern, your concern is 100% permanent and PR8 links and what what we did for all of you.

There is nothing about scamming you people.

---------- Post added at 10:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 PM ----------

<-----------Update---------->

After trying and testing the sign up process 3-4 time. Finally we make an account there. That's really weird but it is fact.

It's our lose not our clients, we paid to that student for doing that even we can do that ourselves as well. but our goal is to provide 100% permanent links and on PR8 pages and that's what we did.

Hopefully you can understand. We never scammed anyone. We fullfil what we advertised but account creation is our negligence.

For Moderator Nick. Plz think about it, if we created this account before and posted there, then how can we asked you to try to create an account there and why we posted above link as well.

If that was the case, we surely hide things, but we didn't because we believed that there were only students who can do that work. But this is totally between us and that MIT student, not for our clients. They received what we advertised. That's it.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:17 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Hay I am sorry if you got scammed by 3rd party. But this people paid you. You were not providing the service as a broker for nothing. You were taking atleast some part of it [If we are to believe your story]

So if you were brokering and you got scammed then it is you who got scammed by that 3rd party.

You have to take losses and refund this buyers back.

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Hay I am sorry if you got scammed by 3rd party. But this people paid you. You were not providing the service as a broker for nothing. You were taking atleast some part of it [If we are to believe your story]
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=587242

So if you were brokering and you got scammed then it is you who got scammed by that 3rd party.

You have to take losses and refund this buyers back.

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This is not my client's concern that we got scammed or whatever... (infect that is true). Nick.. Just read our first thread advertisement and you will know we fullfil what we advertised and promised.
there were 2 things that we promised them to do.
1) 100% permanent
2) On PR8 pages

There is nothing with clients that we got scammed or whatever. This is between us and that MIT student. even though we don't know that anyone can go there and create a free account.
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Sorry, a bit of topic, nick:

"I feel you have no right to sell those links. Moreover if technically I would say then they aren't even PR 8 links."

Why would you say that ?

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I would say that because I created a new thread and it was instantly showing me PR 8

For Hay. I don't know whatever you want to think please think. I think this is enough proof for a chargeback company.

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