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Old 09-28-2010, 10:39 PM   #2376 (permalink)
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I dont usually like hyphens but I thought I would take a chance at $22 a pop with these 4 and see what happens

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Originally Posted by Rebeldark View Post
I picked up:
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What do you guys think? Good or bad?
I like DLC.co since it could be an abbreviation for Download Center.
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Originally Posted by bmugford View Post
The first of many. One of the big winners of the .CO launch will be lawyers.
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Despite the shiny marketing campaign by .CO, there is a danger of this being seen as a squatter extension with the general public outside the domainer world.

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Actually I see it the other way around. .com has been, clearly, the squatter extension. With a new fresh beginning and a set of rules, .co can eradicate those squatting problems that have plagued .com since inception. .co is a company, so what's the problem with marketing it? There is no threat to .com, so don't worry.
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Actually I see it the other way around. .com has been, clearly, the squatter extension. With a new fresh beginning and a set of rules, .co can eradicate those squatting problems that have plagued .com since inception. .co is a company, so what's the problem with marketing it? There is no threat to .com, so don't worry.
Please elaborate what you mean here. How would .co be any less targeted by squatters (what difference is there in the rules?) and what does the marketing have to do with it?
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Actually I see it the other way around. .com has been, clearly, the squatter extension. With a new fresh beginning and a set of rules, .co can eradicate those squatting problems that have plagued .com since inception. .co is a company, so what's the problem with marketing it? There is no threat to .com, so don't worry.
I don't really understand what you are talking about.
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Anyone with a .COM brand, is probably going to see .CO as more of a nuisance than anything. The only reason for a .COM owner to own .CO is to stop potential headaches with typo traffic, phishing, etc.

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Originally Posted by bmugford View Post
I don't really understand what you are talking about.
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Anyone with a .COM brand, is probably going to see .CO as more of a nuisance than anything. The only reason for a .COM owner to own .CO is to stop potential headaches with typo traffic, phishing, etc.

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Actually I see it the other way around. .com has been, clearly, the squatter extension. With a new fresh beginning and a set of rules, .co can eradicate those squatting problems that have plagued .com since inception. .co is a company, so what's the problem with marketing it? There is no threat to .com, so don't worry.
If I haven't misunderstood emjohn's post, he's saying that .CO rules are stricter than .COM's and .CO registry will be prosecuting squatters much more aggressively, in a way that might help reduce cybersquatting. Warmly hope that's going to be true!
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Actually I see it the other way around. .com has
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been, clearly, the squatter extension. With a new fresh beginning and a set of rules, .co can eradicate those squatting problems that have plagued .com since inception. .co is a company, so what's the problem with marketing it? There is no threat to .com, so don't worry.
.co is no better really because:
  • it's the speculator extension
  • some .co were registered just for typo potential so the extension will be seen as a nuisance by some
The ext has been heavily pimped to domainers, in fact the registry's focus has been on investors and not end users.

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If I haven't misunderstood emjohn's post, he's saying that .CO rules are stricter than .COM's and .CO registry will be prosecuting squatters much more aggressively, in a way that might help reduce cybersquatting. Warmly hope that's going to be true!
Not at all. There are already problematic regs in the .co namespace, and rulings have already been made accordingly. It's no different than other extensions, there is a dispute policy but at the same time it's marketed aggressively to speculators and newbies of the outside world, so problems will inevitably happen.
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The latest landrush auction results are quite impressive. Mesothelioma.co $76,000, AutoGlass.co $53,000, Denver.co $50,000, DUIAttorney.co $44,500 and DUILawyer.co $43,000 sure impresses me. How do you believe this affects the premium .COs in our portfolios? I never imagined we'd be seeing prices at these levels, so soon, when I pre-ordered the following .co domains:

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Originally Posted by snoopinc View Post
I like DLC.co since it could be an abbreviation for Download Center.
DLC is actually the common abbreviation for downloadable content usually used with gaming, it's a nice domain.
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i think the whole argument over 'typo's' will eventually pass...
for starters... you all KNOW that this is not a type in game anymore... people barely type any URL's into their address bar these days - we all know that by now, don't we?
... and one step further..
... if they actually DO type a url into their address bar, are you really trying to tell me that of those people... that hundreds of thousands (to MILLIONS) will ALL make the SAME typo - ALL THE TIME?

C'mon ..

this point is becoming SO ridiculous already...
in an age with mobile computing, mobile apps, synchronized bookmarks, online bookmarks, social sites, tiny url, twitter..etc... that dot co ONLY stands a Typo's chance? this statement is just CRAZY!!!

Matter of fact, come to think of it .. how many people throughout this whole thread... in... let's say.. let's say the the last month or so... how many have made a dot co reference instead of a dot com reference (or vice versa) and even made a typo HERE on this forum?
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I'm sure not many, if at all.


things evolve...
it may seem a little strange NOW, but each day that passes, some of that strangeness passes with it. It will eventually dissipate and become nothing more than funny fodder on VH1's upcoming, 'Remembering 2010'. (or something like that)

you can't honestly tell me, even in the three months since launch, that typing or even seeing (DOT)CO has not come much more common place to you already. If you tell me no, you're either lying or purposely trying to not acknowledge it at this point.


The weirdness WILL pass... things evolve.

and when it does... and when you (and the masses) are able to look at that name and NOT think about 'ho, ho, ho .. looks like they forgot the M'... we won't be hearing all this typo crap anymore - it will just be another domain name. For so many brilliant people in this industry, it amazes me how they can sound so stupid sometimes.


another point is this... BUZZ factor
.. dot co already has your attention - every last one of you on this board - DOT C-O, whether good or bad, already demands you notice... right now by reading this post, 3 minutes from now when responding, and eight hours from now when clicking through some random website you found yourself on... clicking through to read yet, ANOTHER article about dot co... and that's not relegated just and only to domainers... dot co will actually become symbolic of these times... it's new, it's logical... it's a sexy, hip, and modern day world... kinda feels like the internet is on its way to college now and leaving high school... it fits nicely with the so-called 'end' of the recession.. a new face for online commerce AND the internet.

like it or not... for better or worse, dot co already has (1) BUZZ, (2) Appeal, and more importantly, (3) Haters... it's the perfect storm.


... which leads me to my last point ( yes, one more)
... no one ever factors in 'TIMING' with such things... but there is no denying that dot co arriving at a time when every business on the planet would LOVE some kind of leg up on their competition, is not a good thing or to be considered 'a bonus' to its adaptation... it's one of the biggest secret weapons going for this extension right now.
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i think the seed has already been planted... this seed promises a new beginning to some, and you can bet that in a very hungry economic climate, a lot of people will take full advantage of this opportunity.

... you can keep your fingers crossed all day long that this will fail - you can talk til your dying day about how stupid people are and how they will NEVER learn how to just type 'CO' instead of 'COM' ... you can refuse evolution until there is nothing left to evolve... but it's obvious by now that dot co will CLEARLY be a factor going forward...
.. and not because someone left off the M
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Originally Posted by 3dDomainNames View Post
i think the whole argument over 'typo's' will eventually pass...
for starters... you all KNOW that this is not a type in game anymore... people barely type any URL's into their address bar these days - we all know that by now, don't we?
... and one step further..
... if they actually DO type a url into their address bar, are you really trying to tell me that of those people... that hundreds of thousands (to MILLIONS) will ALL make the SAME typo - ALL THE TIME?

C'mon ..
Do you really believe that people don't type in the domain names anymore ? Are you serious ? If that would be the case, then Frank Schillings's domain portfolio, would decrease tremandously in value and so would his income.
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People make typos everyday. There are lots of people out there making a very good living on typos. Extension typos are also common. Some .CO domains get over 10,000 visitors a day, simply because people mistyped.
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Originally Posted by 3dDomainNames View Post
How many people throughout this whole thread... in let's say the the last month or so...have made a dot co reference instead of a dot com reference (or vice versa) and even made a typo HERE on this forum?

I'm sure not many, if at all.
Wow. I'm sorry, I have to disagree. You can't judge things by this very specific thread, in this very specific forum, which is populated by domain investors (who comprise a tiny percentage of overall internet users).
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This thread is composed of people who have .CO on the brain, and who actually know it exists. We've been looking at the extension, thinking about it, and typing it out for months now. To try to compare that with the average internet user is using extremely skewed logic.

In the grand scheme of things, this thread is a tiny speck of dust, on a marble, that's sitting in a bag with 1000 other marbles, and might as well be in a landfill. There's a busy and populated world outside of the landfill, where people do not even know we exist. We are a speck.

To get back on topic...

I was listening to Chef Patrick & Morgan Linton on Webmaster Radio earlier tonight, and they were talking about all of the niche aftermarket sites that have cropped up in the last year. Morgan actually said, "Flipping.com," and Patrick had to correct him a moment later, "You mean Flipping dot CO."

That's a verbal typo, but still. Those are big-time domainers. And even they mixed it up.

People make typo mistakes all the time. I'm sorry, but have you really talked to non-domainers about domains, or anything internet related? I think you're greatly overestimating the intelligence and "internet savvy" of the average user.
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Wow. I'm sorry, I have to disagree. You can't judge things by this very specific thread, in this very specific forum, which is populated by domain investors (who comprise a tiny percentage of overall internet users).
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This thread is composed of people who have .CO on the brain, and who actually know it exists. We've been looking at the extension, thinking about it, and typing it out for months now. To try to compare that with the average internet user is using extremely skewed logic.
I deal with end users virtually every day, and no one has mentioned .CO to me even once. There is virtually no awareness outside domaining circles.

This is nothing new as virtually all secondary extensions have no major awareness with the general public. Even one like .INFO, which has been around 8+ years and makes perfect sense is an unknown to most of the general public even with 6.5M+ regs.

I deal in many alternate extensions, but this is just the reality.

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i do NOT think typo's do NOT happen ...
my point was only that this is bigger then some petty fear of typo's happening or not.

DO we type url's into our address bar?... Yes, we type url's into our address bar - but the fact remains, it's significantly less then it's ever been, and getting less by the day... this is a forward extension ... think ahead.

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"This thread is composed of people who have .CO on the brain, and who actually know it exists. We've been looking at the extension, thinking about it, and typing it out for months now. To try to compare that with the average internet user is using extremely skewed logic."
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the point of the matter is the same... it may have taken you and us, and those of us who do read this stuff a mere three months for it to be common place - but you still DID catch on and it still DID become common place to you .. if it takes the average joe 3 YEARS to finally catch on - they STILL CAUGHT ON ... this is a forward domain .. think ahead.


"I was listening to Chef Patrick & Morgan Linton on Webmaster Radio earlier tonight, and they were talking about all of the niche aftermarket sites that have cropped up in the last year. Morgan actually said, "Flipping.com," and Patrick had to correct him a moment later, "You mean Flipping dot CO."


yeah.. i've seen people STAGE and dramatize this point too.. so what .. the strangeness WILL fade away!!


- - - - -

if you can remember a few years back (this is in the United states), we used to only call someone on the phone using seven digits... everyone was SO used to this as we had done this for YEARS and YEARS..
.. and then...
... the population got too big and was unable to handle such a small amount of phone numbers anymore, so the standardized phone number was expanded... to ELEVEN NUMBERS.... it was then required to dial 1+ AREA CODE + Phone Number...

man.. that was weird for a while .. agreed... how many times did we all dial the wrong number.. pretty funny, actually

BUT

i couldn't imagine having to only dial seven numbers on a phone anymore... and in return, every person you ask for their phone number, nine times out of ten, includes the area code themselves... what was ONCE very strange to get used to, is now only COMMON PLACE.

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Originally Posted by 3dDomainNames View Post
DO we type url's into our address bar?... Yes, we type url's into our address bar - but the fact remains, it's significantly less then it's ever been, and getting less by the day... this is a forward extension ... think ahead.
I did. I have over 130 .CO domains. I'm not a .CO-hater by any means, but I'm a realist.
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As for your response about memorizing phone numbers, I'm afraid things are evolving, but in the direction of apps, which is an entirely different discussion that's already come up elsewhere on the board.

.CO represents a great opportunity, sure. And yes, it will take time. But it's not some holy-grail extension that can do no wrong.
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I rarely type a complete url address on the browser. I use firefox and by typing just gmail, paypal or ebay without the tld I'll go to the desired website.
I don't believe typos are a very smart and efficient way of making money, IMO it's just a waste of time and money.
Does anyone here have a typo domain parked that can show us it's revenue ?
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I don't believe typos are a very smart and efficient way of making money, IMO it's just a waste of time and money.
Does anyone here have a typo domain parked that can show us it's revenue ?
I agree, and I don't have any typos. But the people who make significant revenue off of typos have category killer domains, or ones with high type-in traffic. There's a thread somewhere on the boards called "Typo Advice for Newbies," so yes, it's an actual area of domaining that people have focused on in the past.

Quite a few .COs were probably registered by people hoping to make a quick buck off the misspelling of a famous name. IMBD.co, a typo of IMDB, sold for several thousands of dollars in auction.
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GovermentGrants.com (typo, look closely) sold for $53K in May of this year.
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The Domain govermentgrants.com ranks 3,538,385 on alexa and it's a clone from the original site, even their disclaimer was copied, but they forgot to change the email from governmentgrants.com to govermentgrants.com ...
I'm wondering if this site is legal, isn't this considered some sort of scam ?

I presume they're making good money with it, otherwise they wouldn't have paid that much.
As you said, typos can make money, but you need to get a good one, otherwise forget about it.
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Wow. I'm sorry, I have to disagree. You can't judge things by this very specific thread, in this very specific forum, which is populated by domain investors (who comprise a tiny percentage of overall internet users).

This thread is composed of people who have .CO on the brain, and who actually know it exists. We've been looking at the extension, thinking about it, and typing it out for months now. To try to compare that with the average internet user is using extremely skewed logic.

In the grand scheme of things, this thread is a tiny speck of dust, on a marble, that's sitting in a bag with 1000 other marbles, and might as well be in a landfill. There's a busy and populated world outside of the landfill, where people do not even know we exist. We are a speck.

To get back on topic...

I was listening to Chef Patrick & Morgan Linton on Webmaster Radio earlier tonight, and they were talking about all of the niche aftermarket sites that have cropped up in the last year. Morgan actually said, "Flipping.com," and Patrick had to correct him a moment later, "You mean Flipping dot CO."
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That's a verbal typo, but still. Those are big-time domainers. And even they mixed it up.

People make typo mistakes all the time. I'm sorry, but have you really talked to non-domainers about domains, or anything internet related? I think you're greatly overestimating the intelligence and "internet savvy" of the average user.
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This is very well put and I totally agree. But its also not the first time we've seen people get so into an extension that they don't consider the reality. As Brad also said, end-users aren't as aware of alternate extensions as you might assume.

One of my biggest client is a service provider to small businesses throughout UK - they have at least 40-50 new clients a day (who require websites). I was in a conference with some of the staff from that company - the ones who deal directly with their clients (the small business owners).

During initial consultation with their clients - they provide a form which asks for a domain name (and if they don't have one, they ask a few questions to establish what they might want - this includes asking about an extension).

I saw this form and thought it would be interesting to dig a little deeper to find out what kind of response they get. Afterall, 40-50 people are filling these forms in - thats a lot of valuable data they have on real end-users.

Anyway, back to the point...

Out of the 30 or so staff in this conference, not a single one of them have come across any of their clients who even knew about .co extension. They said that about 60% of the people ask for .com 35% for .co.uk and perhaps 5% for .net or .org or something "more exotic".

I will be working closely with this company so it will be interesting to see whether .co creeps into the frame over the next month or two.

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Guys, we're talking about endusers wishing to buy .COM's and not .CO's? Do we realize .CO registration has been available for ONLY 2 months and it represents a whole new market that's still new to people who deal with domains every day of their life?
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I don't believe typos are a very smart and efficient way of making money, IMO it's just a waste of time and money.
Does anyone here have a typo domain parked that can show us it's revenue ?
Without typos, parking companies would loose alot of revenue. If you are talking .CO being a typo of .COM, why do you think someone paid $31,000 for taobao.co for example ? domains like redtube.co, youjizz.co, pornhub.co... get over 1000 visitors a day, and this is not because the Colombians are typing it in.
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Some .CO domains get over 10,000 visitors a day, simply because people mistyped.
Interesting. Where did you get this stat from?

I think what a few people have tried to say is that typo-traffic is on the decrease. Of course people make typos, especially first time visitors for a site. But its on a downward turn. Lots of reasons for this - from browser technology to search technology... and other contributing factors.

Frank or anyone else who have keyword / dictionary portfolios have surely seen a decrease in income / parking revenue over the past few years.
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Anyway names such as those you posted above would be considered squatting rather typos - they are exact spellings of brands/sites with just a different extension. Registering something like hotmail.co is a TM issue / squatting - not exactly a typo. I think its this kind of confusion that could lead to a lot of lawyers making good money from .co - imo
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