mjnels

and 300 of them were in the last 7 days.

500 of them were in the last 2 weeks.

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Pred

hmmm
thanks

Archangel

I wonder how many ppl regged all of them. Was it the same person? That's a helluva investment.

Of course, the question is: Will they be renewed? If another buyout comes into play, I could see every dropped lll.mobi (even the bad ones) picked up via backorder or whatnot. Look at LLLL.com's -- they sell for reg fee at lowest yet every LLLL.com that expires gets picked up within a day of dropping.

-REECE-

Only about 10% (40-50k) of LLLL.coms sell anywhere near close to regfee and I guess could be compared to LLL.mobi. As for that weakest 10%, people who invested in them at peak are down about 90% on their investments and most people who invested pre-buyout are still down 50-75%.
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In the case of LLLL.coms, there are some very big players who have a lot of money invested in LLLL.coms and will probably make sure the buyout holds to protect the value of their investments. It's hard to say exactly what would happen if the buyout didn't hold, however we do know from past history that in the run-up to the LLLL.com buyout quad premium LLLL.coms doubled in price and similar gains were seen in many other LLLL.com segments -- some of the big players with 10,000+ (good) LLLL.coms potentially would have a lot to lose.

The better LLLL.coms do get enduser sales which could fund the renewal fees of the cheaper names. With LLL.mobi on the other hand, people are pretty much just flipping from one domainer to another (we can all see how that worked out in the end with the cheaper LLLL.coms and with LLL.coms).

Just because something is bought, registered, backordered, or unavailable doesn't mean it should be or that it will necessarily turn out to be profitable.

snoop

Similar situation with LLL.us also.

With LLLL.com the bottom end is a dollar or two rather than reg fee. Frankly a lot of these buyouts are now basket case situations whether they have held or not. Agree with the comments from Reece about potential motivations for making sure the buyout holds.

Archangel

True but that can be said for just about anything. I can't see why anyone would hold onto XQWZ.com or KQZX.com but for whatever sane-or-insane reason, these kinda domains are owned. Why would ppl want an anti-premium LLL.mobi? Answer: for the same reason ppl want anti premium LLLL.com. That might sound vague but I can't think of a better reason for owning them. It's just what the buyers/investors wanna hold onto.
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A buyout doesn't guarantee anything value-wise. But I think it'd increase the chances that the average LLL.mobi would sell for a decent (not earth-shattering but decent) sum.

-REECE-

If a buyout does happen, I agree with you that we may see some of the better ones being resold for more however I don't think this remaining batch of LLL.mobi have any chance whatsoever of being resold above regfee which begs the question of why anyone would invest in these remaining LLL.mobi.

Archangel

Sometimes weird things happen. .com might forever be king but you'll never, ever find XQZ.com just sitting there, waiting to be regged. Of course, LLL.com is worth quite a bit opposed to LLL.mobi but no one really knows if the .mobi will take of someday soon and start generatring those kinda sales. But it's been said a lot in this thread that until .mobi is really developed, it won't hit that plateau anytime soon.
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snoop

I guess you could ask the same question of every other buyout over the last few years. I think it will happen at some point, rational or not, just based on the way they are gradually going at the moment.

Pred

i disagree
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there are lll.mobi left which if you google have heaps of potential endusers, try google.de also etc

however theres a LLL.org being offered for $150 on this forum with no buyer
its something like xqz

there is no use and no enduser out there, not even a sniff, so yes the lll.mobi in there like that suffer the same fate probably but theres still loads left pretty good imo

also whats even worse is a llll.com like xzqz.com, it also has the extra letter making 'that' something which is unsellable imo

apart from on namepros

-REECE-

If someone wants to reach out to endusers that's obviously a different story however most members here expect the enduser to come to them and that's wishful thinking with either the bad LLLL.com or the bad LLL.mobi.

Suppose we do decide to reach out to endusers with LLL.mobis -- why buy a bad one for regfee when a much better one with far more potential endusers can be had for only a few dollars more?

Pred

wishful thinking for those type of domains for sure
however you and I both know, 99% of time, more, endusers come to you
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not other way
waste of energy contacting them imo, for any domain

i agree totally with that. thats still true at this stage
and for forum members, as they see the deals. pretty good ones for 10/15 range
most with sense arent selling the good ones, holding

all im saying is theres still some pretty good ones left, i think

im scanning now actually. its 4am. im definitely nuts

Archangel

I saw a few that I liked. I might get them if they're avail for much longer.
I suppose some ppl see the potential in these and some don't. Who'll be on the right-side of the debate has yet to be seen. But I have 2 and might add a few to it

Archangel

In about a week, these "crappy" LLL's have had a few registrations. On 4/22 there were 1,294 available. As of 4/28 there are only 1,267. That isn't a number to get excited about but it shows that there really are ppl who will invest in these.

And why would they? That's a question everyone seems to contemplate. But here's a thought: Would you pass up owning ZXQ.com if you could get it for a decent price? I'm not even going to argue. I know that .mobi has nothing on .com and likely never will. Those arguements are moot. IF (in this game, the word if is used as often as anything) LLL.mobi ever gets to where it was in ita landrush heyday, then I'm pretty sure ZXQ.mobi would be worth owning, even if it only gives you a small profit.

Archangel

Adding to my last message: I recall selling yog.mobi sometime after landrush for around $250 or so. Y, O and G are all 3 pretty bad letters. Will we ever see prices like that again? Dunno -- it's the supply vs demand thing. And right now we still have 1,200+ LLL.mobis in the wild.

vanex

Still over 1200 .mobi left to register and zero LLL.tel.
Doesn't it tell you something ??

acc

Yes. It tells me that someone has not done their homework.

Before attempting to make a negative point about .mobi a little research of the facts regarding the number UNregged of LLL.tels would be in order:
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Per a post today in the NP .tel thread:
Thats means about 10% of the VERY BEST letter combination .tel LLLs remain UNregged. The validity of the original claim is further refuted when you look at the % of UNregged .tel names containing LESSER quality letter combinations (JKQUVWXYZ). How many of those 12,500 non-premium LLL combination names of the 17,576 possible LLLs are still unregged? Thousands I believe. Not sure. Someone can check.

As far as ANY extension goes, the very worst (i.e., least commonly used 3-letter acronyms and therefore least potential for resale) should probably remain unregged. You'll see them churn between domainers year after year, eating up renewal fees along the way. If you can develop a site using a lesser quality LLL as an appropriate acronym, then go for it. Otherwise I believe that better returns can be found in other places.
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Archangel

It tells me that you're a new/inexperienced domainer. .tel is still relatively new and like most new extensions, neophilia factors in & ppl tend to reg all or as many LLL's as they can in this new ext. Yes, this happened even with .mobi but the buyout never held.

I have to agree, slightly. Some ppl want a LLL for acronym potential while others don't care about the letter combination so long as it's a short domain.

Pred

ah, vanex the .tel troll
he is now banned, pleased to see. some good modding going on

the other .tel troll is serving his ban in the dugout also


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anyway, back on topic. its better if the last remaining are actually slowly regged by real endusers or domainers who have an idea for development

to be honest i you're going down the route of wanting to resell, domains like cvcv have far many more endusers. same way a cvcv.com has nomally far more acronym useage and endusers than the worst LLL.com and a better investment imho
same for .mobi

although tbh with .mobi it will mean renewing for some considerable time and can dig into funds, so better to get generics while you can instead imho

i have no problem with the slowburn

although im surprised elequa is keeping all his LLL.biz etc

lets not forget all the LLL.info and LLL.biz etc weren't bought out 'naturally'

Archangel

You make a lot of good points. The screwy thing about it all, though, is that there was once a time when all LLL.mobi were desired, no matter the ext. LLL is still like that with .com and .net and in varying degress, the same with .org/.info and to a lesser degree .biz. If LLL.info ever gets to where it used to be, however, the quality of the letters will mean nothing at all in regards to whether or not a LLL.mobi has any value. QZX.com is made up of horrible letters but IF it was available, it'd be regged the second ppl saw its availability. Why? Because LLL.com is still easy money. QZX.mobi looks horrid but if the base price of LLL.mobi was decent, this domain would be regged just as fast as its .com counterpart would have been. But of course we've got a long time to wait for that day to come -- if ever -- again.

What's the story with vanex, anyway?

accent

I compare LLLL.coms and LLL.mobis to silver dollars. There are tons of silver dollars, many many more than there are collectors of them. Each has about 3/4 ounce of silver, yet the most common are worth a lot more than the silver value. Why? Pride of ownership. People want more and more of them.
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And you cannot develop a website on them or sell to an end user.

Reece mentioned somewhere that there are domainers who own > 10,000 LLLL.coms. Pride of ownership. I remember a newbie posting that his dream is to someday own a LLL.com. Pride of ownership.

The collector market is an important part of the LLL market, and it is probably going to stay that way. LLLs are much easier to understand and appraise than any other segment of domaining. It is where new investors go, if they are smart.

If (that famous word, again) Mobi is successful then LLL.mobis will be an easily traded commodity just like LLL.com.

Is Mobi as valuable as .Biz? The LLL.biz buyout seems to be holding. All that has happened here is that a quarter of the total LLL.mobis were dumped on the market in the middle of a bad economy. Buyers spent what they were comfortable with, and there are some left over. I have no doubt (unless the economy collapses) that the LLL.mobi buyout will happen again, and sooner rather than later.

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-REECE-

Very well said

dubstep

Any update on the number of remaining LLL.mobi's?

Archangel

I need to run a virus scan on the PC I'm using but after that, I'll do the necessary scans and update everyone on the remainder of the LLL's

Archangel

List updated. Not a lot were taken in the past week or so but I do see some in here that really might be a decent pickup. A few:

FBQ.MOBI
FDQ.MOBI
FKY.MOBI