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Old 03-06-2009, 07:17 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by mjnels
i dont want to own nearly 2,000 of the crappiest ones. no way.
Remember, crappy to you and me..... gold to someone...
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To make a profit you've only got to sell them for $10 each. Could that be done? Who's to say....

But yes I agree that a buyout right now would be quite risky..... but considering that there's only $15k in available LLL.mobi's out there, I believe that a buyout will be done, and in [much] less than a year. $15k spread between thousands of domainers..... yes, it will be done...
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If I had $15k TO SPARE then I'd buy them out. Right now, I don't have $1k to spare lol so a little investment isn't bad. I regged MXB.mobi & BGX.mobi a week back. Are they great? No. Are they perfect investments? Nah. Are they guaranteed to make me rich? Hell no. lol But there are chances that otherwise I'll sell them in 2 years for $200-500+ each and chances that I'll be wasting my money. And I'm a good investor. I'm willing to risk about $30 to make $500-1k or so. There are no guarantees in domaining but there is speculation. And I'm happy enough with that.
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Originally Posted by Egnited
Remember, crappy to you and me..... gold to someone...

To make a profit you've only got to sell them for $10 each. Could that be done? Who's to say....

But yes I agree that a buyout right now would be quite risky..... but considering that there's only $15k in available LLL.mobi's out there, I believe that a buyout will be done, and in [much] less than a year. $15k spread between thousands of domainers..... yes, it will be done...
How many domain investors are there? Little or big? There are well over 100,000 accounts at NP so I'm guessing the number is high.

If 10% of them regged just 1 LLL.mobi, well... is that hard to digest? I regged 2 recently and I've seen another reg about 5-8 or so. So yeah, I agree with you -- a buyout within a year is possible. It might not happen but it's possible.

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Originally Posted by Egnited
Remember, crappy to you and me..... gold to someone...

To make a profit you've only got to sell them for $10 each. Could that be done? Who's to say....

But yes I agree that a buyout right now would be quite risky..... but considering that there's only $15k in available LLL.mobi's out there, I believe that a buyout will be done, and [much] in less than a year. $15k spread between thousands of domainers..... yes, it will be done...
i know what you're sayin, but when we're talking a volume of 2,000 domains the main customers will be domainers who have mostly the same standards when it comes to reseller pricing.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=565054

selling for $10ea is trickier than it sounds... once you start to flood the market they will quickly drop back to reg-fee (or unsellable) temporarily... this is what the previous owner of the 4,700 LLL.mobi's realized only he was a little too extreme about how many he held. i actually purchased 100 LLL.mobi from the guy that previously owned em and he was concerned with whether i intended to flip them on the forums or hold them myself. i paid about $7,500 for 100 crappy LLL back in early 2008 and sold them for all $80-$100ea and if you recall my threads on the other .mobi forum, it was hard to push them at even that price which was unheard of back then. i continued to set the minimum LLL.mobi price until the buyout broke.


I did the L-L.mobi and N-N.mobi buyout like 2 weeks after the LLL.mobi buyout happened... cost me about $9,000... so i have tried stuff like this before and when you flood the market the value drops to almost nothing. I made money with the L-L.mobi/N-N.mobi buyout but if i would have choose to hold i woulda lost my ass.
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I do think that a buyout will occur sooner than most expect. But yes IF it were done by one person (I think it will be a combination) they would have to pretty much count on getting a handful of end user sales, and not rely on selling to domainers. Not a great gamble to make... but who knows... all I'm sayin' is it would be an interesting investment to make................

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Cool, thanks! Just took one that I liked.....
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Originally Posted by mjnels
i know what you're sayin, but when we're talking a volume of 2,000 domains the main customers will be domainers who have mostly the same standards when it comes to reseller pricing.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=565054

selling for $10ea is trickier than it sounds... once you start to flood the market they will quickly drop back to reg-fee (or unsellable) temporarily... this is what the previous owner of the 4,700 LLL.mobi's realized only he was a little too extreme about how many he held. i actually purchased 100 LLL.mobi from the guy that previously owned em and he was concerned with whether i intended to flip them on the forums or hold them myself. i paid about $7,500 for 100 crappy LLL back in early 2008 and sold them for all $80-$100ea and if you recall my threads on the other .mobi forum, it was hard to push them at that even at that price which was unheard of back then. i continued to set the minimum LLL.mobi price until the buyout broke.


I did the L-L.mobi and N-N.mobi buyout like 2 weeks after the LLL.mobi buyout happened... cost me about $9,000... so i have tried stuff like this before and when you flood the market the value drops to almost nothing. I made money with the L-L.mobi/N-N.mobi buyout buy if i would have choose to hold i woulda lost my ass.
That's a good arguement and losing THAT much money would make anyone hesitant.

IF another buyout occurs, surely most of those domains will be held by investors. Some will flip them and others will hold onto them. The real endusers won't be seen until more moile-complient sites are made. So you might have to hold one for 1-2 years (or longer) before it's worth much. But I couldn't foresee anyone doing a quick-flip of $10 each. Chances are, they'l have a decent asking price & the domains might not sell. After awhile, he might let them drop. But you know how the market is: If all LLL.mobis were gone and then one pops up on an expired list, it'll likely be taken.

The only real killer would be if more developed mobile sites aren't made anytime soon. And as companies keep trying to pursue customers, surely we'll see some more soon, thus LLL's will be desired once again. But WHEN this happens is anyone's guess.

Originally Posted by Egnited
Cool, thanks! Just took one that I liked.....
See? He just regged one. And lord knows how many -- if any other -- LLL's were taken today from this thread. Interest is there. Now it's a question of if that interest makes a buyer. It's like saying, "Oh, I love my friend's Nintendo Wii... should I get one?"
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Originally Posted by Egnited
If I had $15k sitting around and was looking to invest it, I'd consider doing a buyout myself.

$15k can buy 1,950 LLL.mobi's..... mmmm...... yummy.....
I hate to say it but that is probably why you don't have 15k!

I've heard this so many times, usually it is people in appraisal threads trying to justify their crazy valuations of names saying that they'd buy the name for that price "if they had the money". Of course in reality if they did that they'd probably lose most of their money.

For one person to buy 2000 lll.mobi would just create another overhang and no sensible domainer is likely to do it anytime soon. Historically when one person buys out a big chunk of the names the buyout often (usually?) falls over, a bit like what happened to LLLL.com in 2000-2001, it took another 7 years for another buyout to occur, one that has lasted (thus far anyway).

Originally Posted by Egnited
but considering that there's only $15k in available LLL.mobi's out there, I believe that a buyout will be done, and in [much] less than a year. $15k spread between thousands of domainers..... yes, it will be done...
Remember you've also got drops, with the worst ones now being worth $0 a lot more people will likely be letting them go.

Originally Posted by Egnited
But yes IF it were done by one person (I think it will be a combination) they would have to pretty much count on getting a handful of end user sales, and not rely on selling to domainers.
I very much doubt it. Even in .com low quality LLL have near no enduser demand. If low quality LLL.mobi had enough enduser demand to justify reg fees the last guy wouldn't have dropped all his.
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I wouldn't seriously support or recommend a one-man buyout... (the better idea would be to register enough of the "better" ones to push other domainers to finish the remaining (absolute lowest quality) LLL's off for you. )

I'm just saying that I do think a buyout will happen, and I don't think it'll take a year. I'm not going to do a buyout, and no, I wouldn't even if I had the funds to do such.

I don't even like crappy LLL combos in any extension. MUCH better investments out there to be made imho. Names like the ones in my sig are the type of .mobi's I like.
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Egnited, you are such a positive person. How much dot mobi are you developing?
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Egnited, you are such a positive person. How much dot mobi are you developing?
I currently don't have many live sites of my own, but am now focusing more on that. I'm more a developer than a domainer, so I've purchased almost all of my .mobi's with specific development plans in mind. I think that helps keep the quality of my portfolio up to par.

I've developed a number of .mobi sites in the past couple years, but most were either for domainer clients, or are sites that I've since sold.
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Right now I am hard at work on development of a St Louis site, as well as continuing the development of my Spanish.mobi translation tool. I'm a supporter of high quality, full-effort development, which explains why I might appear to be moving slowly.
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I see, high quality, your at the top of the food chain. I got into domaining in 2003 to develop a site in simple html for my organization. After it was done, never looked back, just purchased a bunch of not so great domain and held them until today. Kind of crazy, I had them on renewal up to 10 years until expiration date, thought someone would buy it.

When I first heard of dot Mobi and dot Info, I was like, all the money have been made in Dot Com so there's no use. Which was wrong then when it first launches, however now, that theory seems to be correct. The early bird gets the worms. The rest take flight.
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I actually rate Mobi a buy now. It's really come to a full circle where valuations are near reg fee. How much more attractive can you get? Now when you buy mobi you know what you are getting.Paying $200 or $300 for a mobi imho seemed overinflated for such a new extension. I grabbed 7 at reg fee today. I might develop one or two but at reg prices you can't go wrong for development. And if I happen to find a buyer for one or two then that's cool too.
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Mobi has corrected and in a big way. The underlying arguments that promobi's have always made at least now have a value...reg fee. I can agree with that.


imho...I have a fair chance of selling one or two in a few years to possibly break even. Maybe even a chance I can get more.

mTLD is a POS and Jeff is right on that front but realistically mTLD doesn't have complete control over the success of mobi. If it is to do well it's from development. At reg fee it's a good argument to experiment and see if you can get momentum on one. We'll see. I am a bit more optimistic now. However realize that all those people gouging about mobi early on..know full well they overpaid and made seriously bad investments.
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it will be difficult to get buyout, because:
1. current active dotmobi domainer population is small.
2. most of the active ones get enough dotmobis in the laundrush ii.

who will buyout the lll.mobi? unless lots of new dotmobi domainers come. based on the eco recession now, it will be few new ones.

for example, i got double dotmobi in this ii as i have before. difficult to sell decent one at the price $75 each. i do not think i will invest more now. fortunately, i sold several to end users. it help me as part of the renewal fees
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Originally Posted by snoop
Remember you've also got drops, with the worst ones now being worth $0 a lot more people will likely be letting them go.
there will be zero LLL.mobi drops for about 5 more months. around that time, the Sunrise TM regs will start to drop.. but there will be very very few of those. there were less than 50 last year. it will be at least 9 months before any LLL.mobi can start to drop in big numbers. these will be from landrush... and if the buyout hasnt completed by then, people will really really start to drop their LLL.mobi. as i mentioned a few posts back - the only reason LLL.mobi didnt drop in huge numbers last year is because the buyout still held when landrush renewals came along... this is when the large bulk of LLL.mobi's were registered.
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However realize that all those people gouging about mobi early on..know full well they overpaid and made seriously bad investments.
maybe most, but not all. i was making your same "good deal at reg-fee" argument 3 years ago about quality generic .mobi domains. i didnt buy any LLL.mobi in 2006 -- too much of a mob mentality.
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If anyone's interested, here's that .mobi list with their respective Google results (without the extension)
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Thanks for the list. I picked up one that I have some good development plans for.
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Thanks for the list. I picked up one that I have some good development plans for.
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i scanned this afternoon and its at 1,937.

honestly if it keeps up at this rate - landrush LLL's will start dropping before a buyout happens.. unless 1 person does it.
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i scanned this afternoon and its at 1,937.

honestly if it keeps up at this rate - landrush LLL's will start dropping before a buyout happens.. unless 1 person does it.
I've been scanning drop lists a lot lately & noticed that every single LLLL.com that dropeed was picked up shortly after. And LLLL.com's, minus the quad premiums and VCVC/CVCV variants are near worthless these days. So there is a chance that ppl might take the LLL.mobi drops if the vast majority of them are regged. I don't foresee the drops being too much of a problem.
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As an average domainer, I think the best way is to wait until it is down to the last 200 or so, and register about 10. This may take a while though.
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i dominated the .mobi drops last year including the LLL's until snap/pool finally got involved... the LLL.mobi drops were competitive until they were available for reg-fee. towards the end, when i knew the buyout was about to be broken, i'd routinely delete the lower quality LLL's i had registered the previous night and people would immediately register em.

but, i just know that if even the lowest quality LLL.mobi are still sitting available for reg-fee this year when the landrush drops happen that every single LLL wont get picked up on the drop... and this could lead to HUGE landrush drops.
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As an average domainer, I think the best way is to wait until it is down to the last 200 or so, and register about 10. This may take a while though.
I don't think my 2 are great but they are decent. When it goes down to 200, I might pick up a few more. For now, 2 is okay with me. If the LLL.mobi craze never returns, then I'll only be out $7.99 each plus a few years renewals. That's still a gamble I'm willing to take.
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Just to help people out, I remove the worst ones (with q, x, y, z) and here are the good ones that are still available:
CKJ.MOBI
EVH.MOBI
EVK.MOBI
FGK.MOBI
FVJ.MOBI
FVW.MOBI
FWV.MOBI
GJK.MOBI
GJV.MOBI
GKF.MOBI
GKH.MOBI
GKJ.MOBI
GKP.MOBI
GKR.MOBI
HJV.MOBI
HVP.MOBI
HWJ.MOBI
HWV.MOBI
JKV.MOBI
JSV.MOBI
JVE.MOBI
JVK.MOBI
JVR.MOBI
JVW.MOBI
JWF.MOBI
JWI.MOBI
JWV.MOBI
KGD.MOBI
KGJ.MOBI
KGU.MOBI
KHF.MOBI
KHJ.MOBI
KHP.MOBI
KJD.MOBI
KJF.MOBI
KJG.MOBI
KRV.MOBI
LWJ.MOBI
LWU.MOBI
NVJ.MOBI
NVK.MOBI
OFV.MOBI
OGV.MOBI
PJR.MOBI
PJU.MOBI
PJV.MOBI
PKJ.MOBI
RJE.MOBI
RKF.MOBI
RKG.MOBI
RKU.MOBI
RWJ.MOBI
SJV.MOBI
TJV.MOBI
TKV.MOBI
UAK.MOBI
UBW.MOBI
UCJ.MOBI
UFK.MOBI
UHJ.MOBI
UWH.MOBI
VBD.MOBI
VBF.MOBI
VBJ.MOBI
VBK.MOBI
VBP.MOBI
VBT.MOBI
VCK.MOBI
VFH.MOBI
VFJ.MOBI
VFK.MOBI
VFN.MOBI
VFU.MOBI
VFV.MOBI
VGK.MOBI
VJB.MOBI
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VJD.MOBI
VJE.MOBI
VJG.MOBI
VJH.MOBI
VJI.MOBI
VJL.MOBI
VJM.MOBI
VJT.MOBI
VKC.MOBI
VKD.MOBI
VKF.MOBI
VKG.MOBI
VKH.MOBI
VKJ.MOBI
VKM.MOBI
VKN.MOBI
VKT.MOBI
VMJ.MOBI
VNJ.MOBI
VNW.MOBI
VPW.MOBI
VTW.MOBI
VWC.MOBI
VWK.MOBI
VWN.MOBI
VWP.MOBI
VWT.MOBI
VWU.MOBI
WCK.MOBI
WGK.MOBI
WJF.MOBI
WJK.MOBI
WJU.MOBI
WKJ.MOBI
WKR.MOBI
WNU.MOBI
WPU.MOBI
WRJ.MOBI
WUJ.MOBI
WVF.MOBI
WVG.MOBI
WVH.MOBI
WVK.MOBI
WVL.MOBI
WVM.MOBI
WVN.MOBI
WVP.MOBI
WVT.MOBI
I am considering getting a few of these better ones, but I thought I would go ahead and share them with you.
As you can see, there are only 125 quality ones left. Someone can buy out these 125 quite easily.
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Nice list, reps added

I see some decent acronyms in here. FWV could easily be a site based in West Virginia (W VA but technically, the abb is WV). I might reg a few of these after all. I got BGX.mobi seeing that it has good acronym potential.

Originally Posted by kwok
Just to help people out, I remove the worst ones (with q, x, y, z) and here are the good ones that are still available:
CKJ.MOBI
EVH.MOBI
EVK.MOBI
FGK.MOBI
FVJ.MOBI
FVW.MOBI
FWV.MOBI
GJK.MOBI
GJV.MOBI
GKF.MOBI
GKH.MOBI
GKJ.MOBI
GKP.MOBI
GKR.MOBI
HJV.MOBI
HVP.MOBI
HWJ.MOBI
HWV.MOBI
JKV.MOBI
JSV.MOBI
JVE.MOBI
JVK.MOBI
JVR.MOBI
JVW.MOBI
JWF.MOBI
JWI.MOBI
JWV.MOBI
KGD.MOBI
KGJ.MOBI
KGU.MOBI
KHF.MOBI
KHJ.MOBI
KHP.MOBI
KJD.MOBI
KJF.MOBI
KJG.MOBI
KRV.MOBI
LWJ.MOBI
LWU.MOBI
NVJ.MOBI
NVK.MOBI
OFV.MOBI
OGV.MOBI
PJR.MOBI
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PJU.MOBI
PJV.MOBI
PKJ.MOBI
RJE.MOBI
RKF.MOBI
RKG.MOBI
RKU.MOBI
RWJ.MOBI
SJV.MOBI
TJV.MOBI
TKV.MOBI
UAK.MOBI
UBW.MOBI
UCJ.MOBI
UFK.MOBI
UHJ.MOBI
UWH.MOBI
VBD.MOBI
VBF.MOBI
VBJ.MOBI
VBK.MOBI
VBP.MOBI
VBT.MOBI
VCK.MOBI
VFH.MOBI
VFJ.MOBI
VFK.MOBI
VFN.MOBI
VFU.MOBI
VFV.MOBI
VGK.MOBI
VJB.MOBI
VJD.MOBI
VJE.MOBI
VJG.MOBI
VJH.MOBI
VJI.MOBI
VJL.MOBI
VJM.MOBI
VJT.MOBI
VKC.MOBI
VKD.MOBI
VKF.MOBI
VKG.MOBI
VKH.MOBI
VKJ.MOBI
VKM.MOBI
VKN.MOBI
VKT.MOBI
VMJ.MOBI
VNJ.MOBI
VNW.MOBI
VPW.MOBI
VTW.MOBI
VWC.MOBI
VWK.MOBI
VWN.MOBI
VWP.MOBI
VWT.MOBI
VWU.MOBI
WCK.MOBI
WGK.MOBI
WJF.MOBI
WJK.MOBI
WJU.MOBI
WKJ.MOBI
WKR.MOBI
WNU.MOBI
WPU.MOBI
WRJ.MOBI
WUJ.MOBI
WVF.MOBI
WVG.MOBI
WVH.MOBI
WVK.MOBI
WVL.MOBI
WVM.MOBI
WVN.MOBI
WVP.MOBI
WVT.MOBI
I am considering getting a few of these better ones, but I thought I would go ahead and share them with you.
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