[phase111]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

It's strange how the .TEL simulator mentions nothing of a proxy and does not show these advertising links in the footer. Only after you actually pay $300 do you discover them. I think refunds should be in order based on the magnitude of these and other misrepresentations. http://www.telnic.com/individual-simulator.html

Wakey wakey! Not sure why you are rehashing this debate, Henri has already covered this problem just recently and offered a solution- this is an evolving tld so things will always change to make it better along the way, please read henri's post again:

Originally Posted by hasseily

People, the demo domains largeco.tel etc... don't have privacy enabled, so don't have the issue of handling the same cookie across all .tel domains. They were set up many months before the whole system went online. See my latest post on my blog (available of course through social.henri.tel) to understand this better. We hear you loud and clear, that you don't care about auto-login to Telfriends and auto-display of private info as much as you care about the urls on the proxy being what you expect. We're going to determine the exact technical changes asap, then we'll give you some timelines. On the web proxy, you want clean unredirected URLs upon first request. Understood 100%. But automatic display of private info on any .tel will have to go (it'll be one click away).

I do agree though that this should have been changed before .tel went live as the marketing demo's do show it as a clean url and not the longer proxy version.

[chader144]

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I do agree though that this should have been changed before .tel went live as the marketing demos do show it as a clean url and not the longer proxy version.

You beat me to the reply button

[Acroplex]

How was .tel approved to go live (i.e. get $$$ for registrations) with such a gaping hole in its functionality? (the URL redirect)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/561820-the-official-tel-discussion-thread.html

The .tel officers proclaim "years of work" on the .tel project. Now seriously, I'd fire a few administrators if they gave me the URL forwarding as the "solution". In my opinion, the system was intentionally made this way, and they're now scrambling to change it following public outcry.

Originally Posted by tech4

Not to break away from Dot Tel here, just on the side. What examples of .asia are you talking about? I can see you comparing the use of Dot Mobi to Dot Tel but how can you relate that to .asia. I see that pills.tel according to you is pitiful but its actually nice. The owner could make a yellow page out of it and sell ads to companies and websites.

I am referring to the mass obsession of TLD-specific "lemmings" that do not research the marketability of a TLD and instead mass-register domains to ride on the opportunity bandwagon.

Both .mobi & .asia are prime examples of such a fallacy in domain investing. The .tel TLD is clearly *the* worst case, for all the reasons that I have expanded on.

Pills.tel is nice? Sell ads to companies and web sites? I think you need to read the FAQ again.

[onlinelife]

I am still not happy with no custom "logo" on (our own) . .Tel domains?
And the footer Telnic "link" on every .Tel domains!

Is there any other TLD put there footer "link" in domain history yet? I hope Telnic.org will consider these changes. I am not talking about "heavy" modification but basic “light” customization which never gonna affect any browsing speed.

How can all you guys even think of promoting your .Tel space without those things?

[Acroplex]

The moment you have to plead with Telnic to "consider" changes and improvements - yes, the custom logotype is a valid request - that moment you realize that something's wrong in the process of having .tel approved by ICANN. Telnic promises different "looks" or templates, whatever you want to call them in the future - but the bottom line is: you cannot have an independent web site hosted on a .tel domain.

This is all about .tel and Telnic and not about end-users. It's like Yellow Pages promoting their brand, not the contents.

[tech4]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 I am referring to the mass obsession of TLD-specific "lemmings" that do not research the marketability of a TLD and instead mass-register domains to ride on the opportunity bandwagon. Both .mobi & .asia are prime examples of such a fallacy in domain investing. The .tel TLD is clearly *the* worst case, for all the reasons that I have expanded on.

What's not marketable about .asia?

How can .tel be the worse case?

your generalization itself is not self evidence, please explain.

[Acroplex]

It seems I hit double nerve

You can't compare .asia and .mobi to com/net/org

Why .tel is the worst TLD? For all the reasons I explained both here and at my blog. If I keep repeating myself I will need to spend 24 hours a day on a forum.

[tech4]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

It seems I hit double nerve ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 You can't compare .asia and .mobi to com/net/org Why .tel is the worst TLD? For all the reasons I explained both here and at my blog. If I keep repeating myself I will need to spend 24 hours a day on a forum.

You absolutely did repeat yourself. However, you haven't explain anything in the above post. Nor have you in your previous posts of "Generalization".

[brendan52190]

Is it totally out of the question that a technology will be developed that allows for Adsense links or some sort of advertising for .tel domains?

[Acroplex]

Originally Posted by tech4

You absolutely did repeat yourself. However, you haven't explain anything in the above post. Nor have you in your previous posts of "Generalization".

You demand a personalized response?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Here it is http://acro.net/blog

Look for the four posts about .tel and you'll find a lot of answers there.

Originally Posted by brendan52190

Is it totally out of the question that a technology will be developed that allows for Adsense links or some sort of advertising for .tel domains?

I'd like to expand on this: Why is it that Telnic put the cart before the horse? Why are there "requests" for "improvements" coming in, *after* the TLD is launched and money is rolling in?

How did ICANN approve of .tel in the first place?

[tech4]

I read the first part, its about some guy name Hanz with his pills.tel. Your reason 1 the extension is bad because some guy couldn't afford dot com to buy dot tel as a replacement?

I read the second part, its about being the new spam directory. If businesses want their information online shouldn't they be able to list it? You talked about there's already a yellow page. What if dot tel takes over as the new yellow page?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Third part--we have myspace and face book for contact information.
What if for personal information its easier to go to acroplex.tel than to log into facebook, search acroplex, and then click on acroplex, and then. For personal info, its quicker with dot tel again.

Your last reason-generalization about massive domainer swimming toward an unproven extension. What's proven if its ever is new?

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Again, your first article mostly dealt with trademark and some guy name hanz with his pills.tel. Your second goes to say .tel can be spam directory, well dot com is too. So can it be the next yellow pages too. Your third we have social sites, dot tel for personal reasons are faster and for business purposes. Your forth--not much but generalization about an unproven extension.

I read through your blog, its lengthy, non concise and off topic too much. Especially on your first one. Your posts on here did not explain either, just gives links to your blog, in turn generalize and goes off topic.

Now could you explain a bit clearer?

[wot]

Hi Acro,

You and Micro Guy and a few others need to be on white chargers protecting the innocent from the dastardly launchers of new extensions and their cohorts the registrars , icann etc.

Crack me up every time a new extension hits the netways and the way the 4's and against all line up to face off.

Just another of the wonderful domaining things I can't get enough of- my daily fix.

Wouldn't have it any other way.

[MicroGuy]

Originally Posted by tech4

Now could you explain a bit clearer?

He's already tried several times, you seem to be having comprehension problems. Is English your native language?

[Acroplex]

tech4, you read the posts in reverse order. And frankly, my blog is not about .tel - if you disagree or are not familiar with my writing style there is nothing I can do about it.

I found this thread here after MicroGuy linked to it and since I cannot possibly post on 20 different threads I point people to my blog when it comes down to summarizing my arguments & discoveries about .tel - the "revolutionary new TLD".

Your personal opinions are just that and you seem a bit edgy since I brought up .asia

[phase111]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

You demand a personalized response? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 Here it is http://acro.net/blog Look for the four posts about .tel and you'll find a lot of answers there. I'd like to expand on this: Why is it that Telnic put the cart before the horse? Why are there "requests" for "improvements" coming in, *after* the TLD is launched and money is rolling in? How did ICANN approve of .tel in the first place?

I think you are overreacting really. It's the companies that make mistakes and then don't listen to common sense public opinion that are doomed to fail. At least telnic is listening and actively getting involved in public discussions and appear to be listening very well indeed. How many times do you need to realise that the .tel today may very much different in the future for the better as development evolves. Why not keep it real... teething problems are inevitable with new start-ups..just chill out a bit and get a reality check before making such sweeping statements, it's crazy IMO...crikey mate, you'll give yourself a hernia. Also remember the old adage- nothing ventured, nothing gained. Telnic are brave enough to be trying something radically different to help clean up the current messiness of cyberspace and your accusing them of messing it up further? Classic

[Acroplex]

phase111, when you go buy a car for $30,000 do you then go and call the car manufacturer to fix the various elements: the seats, the tires, the engine? Do you then go and ask for power windows?

What's crazy my friend, is that you are willing to spend $300 on a domain that you can do absolutely nothing with. Unless it's your own company name, I see no reason to buy the so-called "generics" that you can in every other TLD. You can't park them, you can't monetize them.

But it's your money, burn it if you want to.

[tech4]

Not at all Acroplex. I wanted to narrow down a few your your points which are interesting and controversial. Like that of .asia. I am not edgy at all, the opposite infact.

As I said, you do bring up interesting and controversial points. But didn't explain them clearly.

[Acroplex]

It's 2:45am folks and I am not in my 20's anymore so I need some sleep. Have a great conversation, we'll continue tomorrow.

[MicroGuy]

I'll discuss possible refund strategies tomorrow. It may be possible to recoup some of your investment if you act quickly. Good night everyone.

[phase111]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

phase111, when you go buy a car for $30,000 do you then go and call the car manufacturer to fix the various elements: the seats, the tires, the engine? Do you then go and ask for power windows? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 What's crazy my friend, is that you are willing to spend $300 on a domain that you can do absolutely nothing with. Unless it's your own company name, I see no reason to buy the so-called "generics" that you can in every other TLD. You can't park them, you can't monetize them. But it's your money, burn it if you want to.

It's possible, in fact I know it to be true that this has been made clear before: '.tel is about a place to store contact information, not about hosting or building websites', otherwise it would be like any regular tld and would have no point of difference or value. Im not sure why you dont accept this fact, or find it such a hard concept to understand, it would make things easier for everyone and save any confusion.

[steveteva]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

I'll discuss possible refund strategies tomorrow. It may be possible to recoup some of your investment if you act quickly. Good night everyone.

Excellent idea, I'm in.

[Billy2009]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

I'll discuss possible refund strategies tomorrow. It may be possible to recoup some of your investment if you act quickly. Good night everyone.

It is uncanny the similarities between the discussions here and the discussions on stock market bulletin boards before a new issue. There are pumpers, dumpers, hikers, pikers, insiders, outsiders, and everyone in between - I love it!!!!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

I know from stocks that the outcomes are different to what most people believe they will be.

I have missed out on some .tel's I wanted. In stocks, if something is good a 'grey market' develops before the listing date. If you want a REFUND for you pre-reg. or purchase, please PM me the name(s) and if I like it I will buy it by negotiation if I can fully reg. it come 24th March. A limited number, of course and subject to my approval!

I actually don't see these as domains (TLD's). They seem to be something different which I personally think is valuable.

Will respond to all PM's.

[sdsinc]

Some people still don't get it
It's all about storing contact information in the DNS. Do not expect anything more.

The bottom line is that .tel is not a web product
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
The dull generic web pages that you see when typing a .tel are nothing more than an interface to the data stored in the DNS.
Hence Telnic are not concerned about the proxy redirect. If it were up to them they could get rid of the web interface altogether.
For that same reason, the SEO aspect is simply irrelevant... you have no control over the pages. No control over the contents. Why should you... these are not websites.

Hopefully it's going to sink in - people will finally understand those $300+ preregs are worthless and clearly not worth the money

[phase111]

Originally Posted by sdsinc

Some people still don't get it It's all about storing contact information in the DNS. Do not expect anything more. The bottom line is that .tel is not a web product The dull generic web pages that you see when typing a .tel are nothing more than an interface to the data stored in the DNS. Hence Telnic are not concerned about the proxy redirect. If it were up to them they could get rid of the web interface altogether. For that same reason, the SEO aspect is simply irrelevant... you have no control over the pages. No control over the contents. Why should you... these are not websites. Hopefully it's going to sink in - people will finally understand those $300+ preregs are worthless and clearly not worth the money

Haha, well if they are not worth the money, it's interesting to note just how many names have been taken at $300+ a pop worldwide...almost all decent generics for a start, not to mention a massive amount of trademark companies. The rule of supply and demand still goes... the better generics will be worth a premium and that's before .tel even takes off IMO. Even short term investors with decent names are sure to win out after GA on resale.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

[Ms Domainer]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

As a web developer and a domainer that enjoys a certain status, I think that it's my duty to inform those that are lesser informed about what .tel is and what it isn't. If you knowingly register .tel domains to get pages looking like this one then I won't feel sorry for you. But to promote .tel as the next best thing since sliced bread is akin to criminal. Some people haven't learned from the examples of .mobi and .asia, I guess three times is a charm.

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To Johnny-come-lately naysayers:

Have you even read through this thread?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Investors are aware of so-called "limitations" of .tel

I'll say this again: I invested in .tel BECAUSE of these limitations, not despite them.

As for spamming: have you seen some of those spam and parked .com pages? Some nasty stuff out there.

To me, those are the REAL spam sites.

When you click on a .tel link, you are not going to get a spam page. True, you might find a link to such a site, but that's the nature of the web. Get over it--There is no such thing as 100% safe web surfing.

Sure, spamsters and scamsters will try to use .tel for their nefarious deeds, but that is always true of ANY TLD.

Come back when you have something useful to reveal.


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Originally Posted by Acroplex

Does anyone have pointers to the ICANN proceedings regarding the approval of .tel ? When .xxx gets turned down and a white page TLD gets approved, something's going on.

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I wish ICANN would approve .xxx.

AND relegate porn to its own dark corner of the web.

Now back to .tel

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