[mjnels]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

Really, that's how you read it? The whole point of the article was to argue against the creation of .mobi.

yes but read the entire article... it is also against .XXX

it is completely against anymore new TLD's... you cant just reference one thing in an article that you think supports your point while ignoring the parts that dont.

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

Part of TBL's point in the article had to do with new TLDs, especially .mobi, taking away from the universal access to information aspect of the web. Dot-tel doesn't take away from that access, it contributes further to universally compatible communications by freeing you from the restrictions of web browsing. Walled gardens, proprietary communities and other closed systems are far more hindering to the progress of communications than any of the "restrictions" or "problems" people claim on dot-tel. Dot-tel is the first TLD to think of the web as an equal communications element to all others (e.g. phone, e-mail, VoIP, IM, etc.). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/561820-the-official-tel-discussion-thread.html The Internet offers a lot more than web pages.

i think i've just entered the twillight zone.

by definition, .TEL is way more of a "walled garden" than .MOBI

i do not mean this as an insult, but think about what you are saying... you are drinking a bit too much of the kool-aid.

[ginggang]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

They're all still valid in principle, but the saving grace is that .mobi is barely used, and so hasn't led to any of these problems.

The vision TBL had as not come to be , not down to .mobi splitting the net but more that the .mobi evolved from the original purpose it was to serve


"The .mobi domain is described as being for the use of a community. To quote the proposal, the target community for the .mobi TLD is:

Individual and business consumers of mobile devices,services and applications
Mobile content and service providers
Mobile operators
Mobile device manufacturers and vendors
IT technology and software vendors who serve the mobile community
This is in fact a mixture of reasons. It sounds as though there is a use for ".mobi" when the provider of a service intends it to be for the benefit of mobile users. There appears to be a desire to limit the use of ".mobi" to companies -- perhaps those in the group."

The way I read that he was seeing a walled garden, a seperate network.

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

Dot-tel is the first TLD to think of the web as an equal communications element to all others (e.g. phone, e-mail, VoIP, IM, etc.). The Internet offers a lot more than web pages.

You've just described .mobi

I think there is mileage in .tel but from a developer perspective very limited. I can't see how I would use it as a user. I would be interested to hear real world applications of the domain. How would I use it ?

[Ms Domainer]

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My plan is to integrate .tel with .com, not .mobi (Has.tel and Has-tel.com). In the near future, I think internet mobile phones will have the capability to automatically convert web sites into mobile-compliant formats. And later on, that won't even be necessary as small devices become more powerful (my tiny Lenovo has a 120 gig hard drive, with a 1 gig RAM, which seems to be enough for today's needs).

For now, my "search" function will be a click to a .com directory and/or Telnic's directory page. I do agree that a search button on the card would be a good enhancement and would not overtax the DNS. I'm getting the sense that Henri is listening to our concerns and considering them.

I suspect that there are already mobile-compliant platforms for .com (and other TLDs, not just .mobi).

Keep in mind that early adopters almost always inherit the glitches and the headaches--part of the price of being first.



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[Jeff]

I think we're going to soon need ... a #1 Namepros highly brandable .TEL Forum™, IMHO.

-Jeff

[ginggang]

Originally Posted by Ms Domainer

* ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 For now, my "search" function will be a click to a .com directory and/or Telnic's directory page. I do agree that a search button on the card would be a good enhancement and would not overtax the DNS. I'm getting the sense that Henri is listening to our concerns and considering them. *

A conventional .com website linked to a .tel site in essence ? So to get to the .tel listing I would go through a convential search engine to find the .tel entry I would be looking for ?

Originally Posted by Jeff

I think we're going to soon need ... a #1 Namepros highly brandable .TEL Forum™, IMHO. -Jeff

I think it would be a good thing. Like .mobi this is a very narrowly defined tld which a lot of people have faith in. As long as it does not replace the .mobi forum

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by ginggang

I think it would be a good thing. Like .mobi this is a very narrowly defined tld which a lot of people have faith in. As long as it does not replace the .mobi forum

Although the highly brandable .TEL essentially makes the very narrow "dot Mobey" extension obsolete (of course, it's always been unnecessary!) - particularly from it being a short, easily memorable, and branding persepctive ... I, too, think we should leave that (".MOBI) forum open for their small niche, and vanity discussions IMHO.
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-Jeff

[Ms Domainer]

Originally Posted by ginggang

A conventional .com website linked to a .tel site in essence ? So to get to the .tel listing I would go through a convential search engine to find the .tel entry I would be looking for ?

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From .tel to a mobile-compliant search engine, like Telnic directory pages.

I do agree that a direct search button at the top of the card to the telnic directory would be best.

Right now, I'm more interested in how search engines will rank .tel. Will my high-ranking one-word generic keywords rank high?

I suspect that they will because the search engines will know that .tel is not meant to host webistes but to store contact information--thus a different search algorithm for .tel.

Of course, I don't know this for sure--just a guess.

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[Steven]

I don't understand.
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What's with .tel directly connecting to DNS and such talk?

Aren't all active websites using DNS?

To put it simply, active .tel website is a website.

Originally Posted by Ms Domainer

* Right now, I'm more interested in how search engines will rank .tel. Will my high-ranking one-word generic keywords rank high? I suspect that they will because the search engines will know that .tel is not meant to host webistes but to store contact information--thus a different search algorithm for .tel. Of course, I don't know this for sure--just a guess. *

1) like http://s1.webproxy.nic.tel/lookup/www.yourdomain.tel if they continue to redirect

2) contact information website is still a website...
just a static one

[Ms Domainer]

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Apparently, Telnic is working on the proxy issue.

Tel is different in that information goes directly on the DNS server. Other TLD sites go through another layer via an IP address--.tels do not have an IP address.

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Originally Posted by mrdomainman

I don't understand. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 What's with .tel directly connecting to DNS and such talk? Aren't all active websites using DNS? To put it simply, active .tel website is a website. 1) like http://s1.webproxy.nic.tel/lookup/www.yourdomain.tel if they continue to redirect 2) contact information website is still a website... just a static one

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Ms Domainer

* Apparently, Telnic is working on the proxy issue. Tel is different in that information goes directly on the DNS server. Other TLD sites go through another layer via an IP address--.tels do not have an IP address. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 *

There is IP address

VIP.tel = 195.253.3.235

It wouldn't make any sense if it didn't.

[ginggang]

Originally Posted by Jeff

Although the highly brandable .TEL essentially makes the very narrow "dot Mobey" extension obsolete (of course, it's always been unnecessary!) - particularly from it being a short, easily memorable, and branding persepctive ... I, too, think we should leave that (".MOBI) forum open for their small niche, and vanity discussions IMHO. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 -Jeff

In your opinion I won't rise to it....

[Jeff]

Onward and upward, IMHO.

-Jeff

[Ms Domainer]

Originally Posted by mrdomainman

There is IP address VIP.tel = 195.253.3.235 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 It wouldn't make any sense if it didn't.

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http://www.telnic.org/brochures/top1...asonsToBuy.pdf

see pages 5-6.

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[Steven]

Originally Posted by Ms Domainer

* ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 http://www.telnic.org/brochures/top1...asonsToBuy.pdf see pages 5-6. *

Hmmm Thanks
I just read it.

It's still a website (with restrictions).
Maybe it's saying that it's not "rerouted" or using A record to go to a website's IP, but it's still using DNS and goes to an IP address that way.
I don't know why they've written about the DNS like that...
It even confused me.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

[FreakySteve]

Originally Posted by mjnels

i do not mean this as an insult, but think about what you are saying... you are drinking a bit too much of the kool-aid.

No insult taken.
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Everyone keeps comparing .tel functionality to that of web pages and other web-based interactions.

Originally Posted by Henri

PS: None of the above matters when using native apps hitting the DNS directly.

This is the foundation for non-web-browser based activity. Eliminating the dependency on web browsers for accessing information is a move towards universal access and dot-tel easily enables this.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

No insult taken. Everyone keeps comparing .tel functionality to that of web pages and other web-based interactions. This is the foundation for non-web-browser based activity. Eliminating the dependency on web browsers for accessing information is a move towards universal access and dot-tel easily enables this.

How do you plan on accessing a .tel website without a web browser?

[plaggypig]

Of course .tel domains have an IP address (an "A record"), the purpose of which is to direct your web browser to the web proxy page. Any domain name that you can use to reach a web site must resolve to an IP address, just as a postcard you send through the mail must at least have some address information, otherwise the post office won't know where to route it.

Once your browser has resolved the IP address from your .tel domain, it hits the web proxy, the TelHosting platform then pulls down the other .tel DNS records from your .tel domain and builds a pretty web page for you.

Let me illustrate - here is justin.tel's DNS zone that I just got using a UNIX command line tool called "dig":

Quote:

;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> @n0.cth.dns.nic.tel justin.tel ANY ; (1 server found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52197 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 18, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;justin.tel. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: justin.tel. 3600 IN SOA d0.cth.dns.nic.tel. cth-support.support.nic.tel. 84 10800 3600 2592000 600 justin.tel. 86400 IN A 194.77.54.2 justin.tel. 3600 IN NS n0.cth.dns.nic.tel. justin.tel. 3600 IN NS a0.cth.dns.nic.tel. justin.tel. 3600 IN NS s0.cth.dns.nic.tel. justin.tel. 3600 IN NS d0.cth.dns.nic.tel. justin.tel. 3600 IN NS t0.cth.dns.nic.tel. justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tsm" "1" "pddx" "0" justin.tel. 60 IN TXT "Log in to request my private contact information or email me through WikiWorldBook - I'm not in work mode at the moment" justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tkw" "1" "ft" "Not Moody Blues" justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tkw" "1" "ft" "Retrospective Futurologist" ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tkw" "1" "hi" "music, arts, futurology, comedy, film, science fiction" justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tkw" "1" "bpa" "Telnic" "a1" "37 Percy Street" "tc" "London" "pc" "W1T 2DJ" "c" "United Kingdom" justin.tel. 60 IN LOC 51 31 6.416 N 0 8 2.868 W 0.00m 10m 2m 2m justin.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 100 105 "u" "E2U+web:http+x-work" "!^.*$!http://www.telnic.org/!" . justin.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 100 107 "u" "E2U+web:http+x-lbl:WikiWorldBook" "!^.*$!http://wikiworldbook.com/profile-5596-Justin-K-Hayward+!" . justin.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 100 109 "u" "E2U+web:http+x-lbl:Twitter+x-work" "!^.*$!http://twitter.com/justinhayward+!" . justin.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 100 103 "u" "E2U+email:mailto+x-work" "!^.*$!mailto:jhayward@telnic.org!" . ;; Query time: 254 msec ;; SERVER: 64.211.81.116#53(64.211.81.116) ;; WHEN: Wed Mar 11 19:21:18 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 989

It might look a bit scary to some of you, but it's very simple. DNS servers store records, and answer questions about them - in this example, I just asked for a list of every record. Your web browser just asks for the A record. SMTP (e-mail) servers would ask for MX (mail exchange) records, etc.
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These records are all structured in predictable ways that make it easy for other computers to understand. As you can see, justin.tel's A record is 194.77.54.2 - that's Telnic's web server. That's where you go to get your web proxy page served up.

If you have any questions then just ask and I'll do my best.

[buyauthority]

I just want to know when is the first .TEL auction so I can buy my house, a new car and buy more domain names.

[Ms Domainer]

Originally Posted by mrdomainman

Hmmm Thanks I just read it. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 It's still a website (with restrictions). Maybe it's saying that it's not "rerouted" or using A record to go to a website's IP, but it's still using DNS and goes to an IP address that way. I don't know why they've written about the DNS like that... It even confused me. Correct me if I'm wrong...

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Yeah, I was a bit confused too, but then I'm not all that technologically savvy.

I wonder if the official IP will be the same for all .tel addresses, meaning that all .tels are routed through the same set of Telnic servers. In other words, perhaps everything is routed through Telnic's IP number(s)?

Anyway, that's how I read it (though I could very well be wrong here).

Maybe Henri could clarify here.

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[Steven]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

Of course .tel domains have an IP address (an "A record"), the purpose of which is to direct your web browser to the web proxy page. Any domain name that you can use to reach a web site must resolve to an IP address, just as a postcard you send through the mail must at least have some address information, otherwise the postman won't know where to send it. Once your browser has resolved the IP address from your .tel domain, it hits the web proxy, the TelHosting platform then pulls down the other .tel DNS records from your .tel domain and builds a pretty web page for you. Let me illustrate - here is justin.tel's DNS zone that I just got using a UNIX command line tool called "dig": It might look a bit scary to some of you, but it's very simple. There are a bunch of records (SOA, A, NS, TXT, LOC, NAPTR) that all contain different pieces of information, structured in predictable ways that make it easy for other computers to understand. As you can see, the A record is 194.77.54.2 - that's Telnic's web server. That's where you go to get your web proxy page served up. You can also store MX (mail exchange) records (by requesting so from your registrar) so that you can receive email through your .tel domain. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 If you have any questions then just ask and I'll do my best.

Then it's a website ... like a parking website.

Only downside being... you don't have any control over your name servers and so on.

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by Ms Domainer

I wonder if the official IP will be the same for all .tel addresses, meaning that all .tels are routed through the same set of Telnic servers. In other words, perhaps everything is routed through Telnic's IP number(s)?

Well each TelHosting provider will have their own IP address(es) that will go in the A record, so it depends upon which provider you use.
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Maybe Henri/Justin can clear this up - 1) whether I must use my own registrar if they provide TelHosting, 2) whether I have the choice between them and Telnic, 3) whether I can use any TelHosting provider, irrespective of who my domain registrar is, or 4) whether I'd be required to actually transfer the domain between registrars in order to change TelHosting provider?

[FreakySteve]

Originally Posted by mrdomainman

How do you plan on accessing a .tel website without a web browser?

If you want to access a dot-tel directory from a web browser, you can, and it will display a web page for you.
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However, dot-tel is not about "web pages" since there is no "web site" or "web server" for that matter.

Web browsers may be a common way to access dot-tel domains now, but things are changing.

The my.tel application allows you to access your dot-tel without using a web browser.
I don't think I need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrieved.

The glass is only half full, telsters will finish filling it up

[Steven]

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

If you want to access a dot-tel directory from a web browser, you can, and it will display a web page for you. However, dot-tel is not about "web pages" since there is no "web site" or "web server" for that matter. Web browsers may be a common way to access dot-tel domains now, but things are changing. The my.tel application allows you to access your dot-tel without using a web browser. I don't think I need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrived. The glass is only half full, telsters will finish filling it up

Sorry, but how do you view a .tel website without a browser?
I think you need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrieved.
Also, I don't know which .tel application is being talked about (more transparency?), but whatever it is, it's still connecting to the web (probably scripted so that it only goes to .tel extension).

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Guys... seriously

is it just me? am I missing something here?

Are .tel sites connected to mysterious (& revolutionary?) internet 2 that nobody has heard about?

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by mrdomainman

Sorry, but how do you view a .tel website without a browser? I think you need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrieved. Also, I don't know which .tel application is being talked about (more transparency?), but whatever it is, it's still connecting to the web (probably scripted so that it only goes to .tel extension). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 Guys... seriously is it just me? am I missing something here? Are .tel sites connected to mysterious (& revolutionary?) internet 2 that nobody has heard about?

Look at my previous post regarding DNS - that should take some of the mystery out of it for you Client applications won't have much at all to do with the web - they'll just pull records straight from the DNS.. clean, quick, and easy.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

Look at my previous post regarding DNS - that should take some of the mystery out of it for you Client applications won't have much at all to do with the web - they'll just pull records straight from the DNS.. clean, quick, and easy.

Hi plaggypig,
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I have looked at it, and my conclusion is the same.
It's a website.