[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by mactel

@ DubDubDubDot: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/561820-the-official-tel-discussion-thread.html Your quote; "Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread." 1.) With ".com mobile support" you probably mean ".mobi".

It sounds like you are unaware that .com developers have chosen to detect mobile devices and display a special mobile friendly design rather than use .mobi.

For instance, if you visit Dominos.com it will automatically redirect to mobile.dominos.com and everyone is happy.
- The company didn't have to spend money branding a .mobi.
- Customers simply visit the .com they already know.

.mobi is nothing to developers here in 2009.

Now imagine if dominos.tel was set up with a directory. We all know what those look like by now. Compare it to the "Find a Store" feature at mobile.dominos.com

[mwzd]

Yeah, thats a BS argument, I can show you 100s of sites that detect mobile devices.

Sites can now detect your geo location and provide content tailored to that location, why would a mobile device offer a problem?

Also, these arguments give me deja vu - goto the .mobi threads and you'll see what I mean.

[mactel]

Hi, DubDubDubDot,

You make my mounth watery, with mentioning dominos.com.

But seriously: I understand your point.

It is sure a brilliant idea, to redirect a .com to a .mobi, because most people or pizza lovers do not know anything about .mobi websites.

But clients of Domino, would still be able to order their pizza faster, by going over domino.tel (when it will be properly filled with content) than going over domino.com, and looking for the ordering and contact details, provided, they already know, what they want ot order.

Besides that, to look up a .tel, is cheaper than to look up a .mobi.: And your monthly internet access, and phone bills will be less high.

Using .tel domains to get the information needed, is quick and economic, and saves time, money and you getting frustrated.

But if you ask me, I will recommend: use all extensions: .com, .mobi, and .tel, but just in the best way, and that gives you the best ouput and benefit.

If you are undecided, about which pizza to choose and order: than go to domino.com. And that is fine. There you will be able to see loads of appetizing pictures, etc., which will make your decision a lot easier. Next time, you want to order, you could just do a click and a call, and order, perhaps, via a .tel domain.

But it is really a shame, that good .tel domain names are not properly populated, and filled with content, for a good navigation:
See flowers.tel, or dominos.tel.

(And there was once a dominer, who paied $200000 for flowers.mobi.:
flowers.mobi could make more profit, if properly configured and filled with content. So it would make sense, to fill flowers. tel as well as dominos.tel with proper content. It is all to the owner of a domain, to take some time, and make some effort, to fill the domain with useful and interesting content, and to make more profit. And that is the same case, with .mobi or with .tel: The better you manage your domain, the more profit you can get through monetezising, etc.)

Cheers

[CDM]

Originally Posted by mactel

@ CDM: In the long term, I would choose ".Tel". At the moment, there is often a confusion with "Tel Aviv". Google is supposed to be able to make a difference between ".Tel" and "Tel", respectively, "Tel Aviv". However, at the moment, "Dot Tel" always works the right way, and is "idiot proove". But "Dot Tel" is less elegant than ".Tel", respectively, "Teldomain" sounds nicer, than "Dotteldomain". Anyway, as long as people search for "Teldomain", your are fine, and will get found (maybe by having "teldomain.tel", as well). I would just take "Teldomain", and not worrie too much. Google will sort it out.

thanks for the input. i think you are right

[mactel]

If you keep your .tel domains, for a while, and sell in a year, they will be about three times as much worth.

.tel is serious biz.

Geo .tel's are best used, to create commercial directories, which would give you more profits, than if you sell them.

Populate, populate, populate...

Fill with good content...

Google will do all the rest, because .tel domains are google juice.

[mactel]

Advertising within .tel: Works now.

Examples:
Hotele w Polsce
tans.tel
condos.tel
adfly.tel
2tweet.tel
joomlacms.tel

How it works:

Basically, the structure of your add looks like this:


* Position/Location of your add (top, right, below)
* Sort Sequence
* Title (max. 255 characters for the title within the add)
* Label (Is used as linktext for the linking, and will be used as last line within the add)
* Link (Link leading to the adverted product)
* Text Content


Get your information here:
Sources:

1.) Telnic just published a whitepaper for developers (PDF - 4 pages) with detailed info about advertising in .tel domains @
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

http://dev.telnic.org/docs/advertisements.pdf


2.) For full details, see:

Chapters 4.3 and 5.5 and especially 5.6.1 (page 24)

in the "Developers Guide" @

http://dev.telnic.org/docs/devguide.pdf

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[hullswingerscom]

iv read it,dont understand it.mad stuff were do i put the txt

[mactel]

Dear Friend,
Thank you, for your comment and question.

It is about placing ads on the TelProxy.

You can choose, where you would like to put your ads: top, right, below.

Display Preference:
1 for top of the page
2 for right of the page
3 for foot of the page

You want your ad to look like this:

Plumber
24 Hour Fast Response Plumbers
10% Book Online Discount Today!
Plumbers | Heating Engineers | Locksmiths | 24 hr Emergency Plumbers | ReactFast /Plumbers
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Again:
You have do some coding (read manual), and code your ad content in this way:

* Position, Location and Sort Sequence (IN TXT ".tad" "1" "1" "51")

* Title ("Plumber")

* Label (Is used as linktext for the linking, and will be used as last line within the add: "Plumbers | Plumbing Service | Fast Response Plumbers | Plumbers Available 24 hours, 365 days.")

* Link (Link leading to the adverted product: "uri" "http://www.reactfast.co.uk" "uri" "=243423543&z=42342343")

* Text Content ("desc" "24 Hour Fast Response Plumbers" "desc" "10% Book Online Discount Today !")

And if you do it right, your ad will apear, with title, websit link, and text, at your favored position.

Edit:

Display Preference:
1 for top of the page
2 for right of the page
3 for foot of the page

You want your ad to look like this:

Plumber
24 Hour Fast Response Plumbers
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
10% Book Online Discount Today!
Plumbers | Heating Engineers | Locksmiths | 24 hr Emergency Plumbers | ReactFast /Plumbers

Layout coding, for advertisment on top of the page:

IN TXT ".tad" "1" "1" "51"
"Plumber"
"www.ReactFast.co.uk/Plumbers"
"uri" "http://www.reactfast.co.uk" "uri" "=243423543&z=42342343"
"desc" "24 Hour Fast Response Plumbers" "desc" "10% Book Online Discount Today !"


You have to frst store/add the advertisment records first, before you create the ad folder.
Use owner parameter.

Advertisment TXT records are created and modified via the "storeRecords SOAP command"

Advertisment Record.

<typ:storeRecordRequest domainName=" stead.te">
<typ:txt profiles="_all_" owner="_ad">
<typ:text>.tad</typ:text>
<typ:text>1</typ:text>
<typ:text>1</typ:text>
<typ:text>100</typ:text>
<typ:text>Title of the ad</typ:text>
<typ:text>lable of the ad</typ:text>
<typ:text>uri</typ:text>
<typ:text>The new way to communicate</typ:text>
<typ:text>desc</typ:text>
<typ:text>sample description</typ:text>
</typ:txt>
</typ:storeRecordRequest>
.

[steveteva]

how do you put ads in subdirectories or all over not just homepage?

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if someone makes a video tutorials for ads it will be helpfull because didn't get it even with guides.

[mactel]

You could ask the manager of Siteground, if he could be so kind and make one.

In the mean time, you could look at the tutorials he made till now:

.tel Domains Tutorial: Learn how to setup and manage your .tel domain

[steveteva]

where to go to created and modified via the "storeRecords SOAP command" in the telhosting? I can't find it

[mactel]

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Advertisment TXT Records are created and modified via the "StoreRecords SOAP Command".

This is how a Advertisment Record looks like:

<typ:storeRecordRequest domainName="stead.tel">
<typ:txt profiles="_all_" owner="_ad">
<typ:text>.tad</typ:text>
<typ:text>1</typ:text>
<typ:text>1</typ:text>
<typ:text>100</typ:text>
<typ:text>Title of the ad</typ:text>
<typ:text>lable of the ad</typ:text>
<typ:text>uri</typ:text>
<typ:text>http://www.telnic.org</typ:text>
<typ:text>desc</typ:text>
<typ:text>sample description</typ:text>
</typ:txt>
</typ:storeRecordRequest>
.
1.) Ad the Advertisment Records (text records), by using the Owner Parameter (owner="_ad"):
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
<typ:txt profiles="_all_" owner="_ad">
<typ:text>1</typ:text>
<typ:text>1</typ:text>
<typ:text>100</typ:text>
<typ:text>Title of the ad</typ:text>
<typ:text>lable of the ad</typ:text>
<typ:text>uri</typ:text>
<typ:text>http://www.telnic.org</typ:text>
<typ:text>desc</typ:text>
<typ:text>sample description</typ:text>

2.) Create a Sub-Domain_ad Folder (to store sub-type TXT records (defined by .tad)):
<typ:text>.tad</typ:text>

3.) Store the Advertisment Records in the Sub-Domain_ad Folder:
</typ:storeRecordRequest>

4.) Created and modifie the Advertisment Records via the "StoreRecords SOAP Command":
<typ:text></typ:text>
.

[steveteva]

Originally Posted by mactel

. Chapters 4.3 and 5.5 and especially 5.6.1 (page 24) in the "Developers Guide" @ http://dev.telnic.org/docs/devguide.pdf

LOL it doesnt tell you where to go (a link, a program to download...) to enter these coding? It'z like talking to an alien here.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

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Originally Posted by hullswingerscom

iv read it,dont understand it.mad stuff were do i put the txt

Same as you.

[cyberonyx]

Originally Posted by steveteva

LOL ... like talking to an alien here.

take a look at these attached screen dumps. It works nicely...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

try it here for real
aapl.tel

cheers

[steveteva]

I think that Name.com don't have SOAP command, can't find it.

[cyberonyx]

or how about this one...
(where private data may be viewable)

boracay.tel

ps. just in case dubdub says its still a fake...

[mactel]

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If I knew, how to do the coding for creating text adverts, I could explain it to you, and so, that you would probaby be able to follow, and understand.

But I don't know more, than you either.

The instructions are too abstract, and neiter show you, how to proceed step by step, nor are they clear: The manual is confusing. The white paper (four pages) is better than the manual. The manual quasi just has another example, how to create a text advertisment structure.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

All in all, the instructions are a bit confusing, and seem to be written for developers, who are already familiar with SOAP commands and storing records.

Not much help, for a newbie...

I am sorry, that I am not able to be of more use; I ony translated the white paper, how I was able to understand it.

Thanks, for showing the pictures of the TelProxy with advertisments: I did show such .tel domains a few posts before this one,

Regretably, these pictures won't help us any further either.

As here already stated: A video tutorial, would be best.

Cheers
.

[tkstark]

good gobbly, those ads with yellow fields are ugly! they totally violate dot tel's minimalist concept, shriek 'look at me' to the viewer and just basically mar the page like big ol' ugly strip mines on a west virginia holler. if telnic is going to go that route, appending ill-fitting patchwork 'fixes' here and there as it goes along, seems to me it risks morphing into something unrecognizable and that offends the original brave and admirable concept.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

no matter what the naysayers said about the look and conformity of the .tel page, there was a purity to it. I admired the underlying faith its creators had that they could create something radical and minimalist and that its utility and worth would be apparent to the masses and make it successful. i understand the desire to address the demand for a conventional way of monetizing tels, but i think it was essential that the solution fit in with the original design and concept. the understated ads on the right side of the page come very close, but those yellow blocks should go. and i'm not sure i even like the idea of interspersing the ads with the content like that.

i'm starting to fear what this work-in-progress will become before it's finished. i'm tempted to say 'wake me when it's done,' but i'm not sure i want to see the finished result.

[steveteva]

I think it's easy just add that code but your registrar need to have the SOAP command (form) available. So some can do it and some can't, this is how I see, I might be wrong. So we need a list of registrar who provides Soap commands.
I think domainmonster.com have it. So will have to transfer to it all my .tel.

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Originally Posted by cyberonyx

or how about this one... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 (where private data may be viewable) boracay.tel ps. just in case dubdub says its still a fake...

It's easy to showoff your .tel with ads but tell us more how to setup, where it is registered,.... give us infos on how to do. This is what we want to hear and not LOOK my boracay.tel, aapl.tel....

I have a friend who can explain me and will do it in 5 hours or more and I will try to make a video if I can, that is what I call community not LOOK my ......tel

[cyberonyx]

Ok

[mactel]

Stop the bluffing, bring some useful instructions. A how to. No pictures of TelProxys.

[kprobe]

Experimental interface ...
Quick update of your TEL domain header, free text keywords and affiliate advertisements
It's a work in progress, can only ad one advert. will let you know when it is complete.
Mark

[hullswingerscom]

now that is cool

Experimental interface ...
Quick update of your TEL domain header, free text keywords and affiliate advertisements

[mactel]

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There is a problem:

1.) Telnic addresses its intructions papers and manuals only to developers.

2.) Not even all developers can follow and understand those guides.

3.) Generally, all such guides appear to be insufficent, uncompleat and confusing.

4.) Up and till now, the Telnic providing of their system, was never ready, in time, to enable working, with what they have officially announced, that should be usable.

Example:
"Integrating your .tel into your existing website", respectively, the ".tel Contact Us" page, did not work, with the DNA variant:
Because
PHP: dns_get_record - Manual
Net_DNS
do not understand the LOC Record and have problems with the TXT records.
And so, a few members of the .tel community have created two options (PHP and JavaScript), which do work.

Example:
This company with online presence, was able to set up its ".Tel Contact Us Page" in their existing website. They are using a version with PHP, where there is a Google map, but which is not active. And this is the very best, one can achieve and get. And indeed, nevertheless, it looks nice, and serves the purpose:
Cakeinabox - Wedding Cakes Birthday Cakes Celebration Cakes Glasgow Cake Makers
But this is not what Telnic whanted users to achieve, and what they had anounced. They had anounced sometining else:
Integrate a .Tel Domain Into Your Existing Website
And it simply does not work that way, and it is, honestly, a shame.
Because it should of been a variant/solution with a Google map that is active, and that one can navigate. It simply did not work.

I wish Telnic would only announce a new feature or developing tool, etc, when it works 100%, and when there is a good manual, and good white papers, that every one, or users with limited developer skills, can understand and use, as well.

Otherwhise, this will always lead and result into confusions and frustrations, and unappy users of the dot tel domain.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

I am asking for change, for the better. Please make some more effort, Telnic, in that field, sector.

It is a real big problem, that has to be solved, and that we do not want that it continues in this way.

There are not only so called developers, that would like to set up their advertisments within their .tel domain, and on their own, without the costly help from a developer, IT specialist, programmer, etc.

It is a unpleasant situation, which has to be solved in the very near future.

We now have a similar situation and problem, with users, trying to set up their advertisments within their TelProxy (top, right or footer position), and most of them are struggling, and get nowhere, and are more or less wasting their precious time.

Thank you, Telnic, for your understanding.

The best .tel tutorial, that exists, is this one, and I am sure, that it will soon include some of the tricky features:
.tel Domains Tutorial: Learn how to setup and manage your .tel domain

Please take a example of this good example.

.

[steveteva]

Does it have any Google copyright issues since it looks like a Google ad (same colors, thext display and link): tahiti.tel