[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by hasseily

Now if you do NOT do that, and simply look for a way to replicate the .tel web front-end (called the TelProxy), here's what you'd need: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/561820-the-official-tel-discussion-thread.html - Create or apply some kind of authentication system so you can securely show only what you want to show to different people - Build a template with a call to a backend DB to generate the pages. (you probably wouldn't want to build those pages manually and have to change them whenever you want to modify the data) - Host this stuff or get it hosted somewhere

This is the one that matters the most from a domaining perspective.

The requirements to replicate the .tel front-end are not a problem for the types of people that domainers target. So the ease of development arguments in this thread are really a moot point. It's like when a domainer includes a logo with the domain. Almost every time the buyer is throwing that logo in the trash and using something else, because they can.

If John Doe wants to use .tel as a point of contact, then go for it. But I think it's a real long shot for us domainers that this person is going to be willing to pay more for JohnDoe.tel in the domain aftermarket than he is myspace.com/johndoe or twitter.com/johndoe in the social site username black market.

In the event a business wants a .tel (the people domainers need to get interested, obviously), it's going to be BusinessName.tel due to the nature of the system. Those are of course TM's and we can't sell those.

[mactel]

Hey, DubDubDubDot: your making progress! Good.

But it is not only "companyX.tel", it is also "generalgenericbusinesscategory.tel".

That is why we want to build commercial directories for business categories (houses, cars, cloths, health, transportation, fitness, etc,).

Within those categories, comes than "companyX.tel", "companyY.tel", "companyZ.tel", and so fort.

Not all company.tel have trade marks. And if you register a company.tel, which has no trade mark (yet), you won't loose any WIPO disput, and can keep your .tel.

I do see, that you are learning about .tel, and making progress.

And I know, you like to "fight" and disput with telsters, here. And it gives you some sort of pleasure and satisfaction. But it looks like this is your own way to approache and discover .tel.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
Every person has his own way...

But one day, you will be there, and like and accept .tel, and it will be natural to you, to take advantage of .tel, and integrate it into your daily business, and for your domain name sales, etc.

I see, you are working hard. Just, try to be a bit more peaceful, and not like "a dog at a bone.tel"...

Cheers.tel.

[FreakySteve]

I have a new avatar

[mactel]

............Frightening...

[mjbenterprises]

Great post.. I learned something....Thank you...

Originally Posted by hasseily

Let me answer this ".tel vs. .com" issue once again, and let's hope it doesn't come up for another 50 pages. Q: Can you do everything that .tel does in a .com? A: YES ===== Q: What does it take to do everything that .tel does in a .com? A: If you wanted to do everything .tel does, you'd have to do the following: - Build a front-end to manage NAPTR, TXT and LOC records in your .com domains - Create some kind of friending system where you can easily exchange encryption keys so you can publish securely your encrypted NAPTR records - Convince everyone that you've got NAPTR, TXT and LOC records in your .com domains, and give them the specs to parse them properly - Somehow get everyone else with a .com to adopt your specs so that apps that are written can be used for every .com that publishes NAPTR records. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 - Host your own DNS server with this data, or find a DNS hosting service that allows for pretty large zones and any type of zone record Now if you do NOT do that, and simply look for a way to replicate the .tel web front-end (called the TelProxy), here's what you'd need: - Create or apply some kind of authentication system so you can securely show only what you want to show to different people - Build a template with a call to a backend DB to generate the pages. (you probably wouldn't want to build those pages manually and have to change them whenever you want to modify the data) - Host this stuff or get it hosted somewhere ===== Q: Why would I want to replicate .tel functionality when I could just replicate the Web front-end? A: Because replicating the Web front-end does not allow you to build a very fast, decentralized lookup system for communication, where a single static name resolves to multiple communication channels automatically. Using a .tel-enabled application, one can call a name. Or email a name. Or find an rss feed for a name. Without needing to know anything else, and without ever needing to make sure the numbers, emails or urls are up-to-date.

[sdsinc]

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

You're right on this one, it would be very easy to set up a similar site on .com. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 But it would be far slower, and slowness is the last thing you want when looking for an emergency phone number ...

That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension.

As for speed:
I use HTTP compression techniques to speed up the load time for my websites. Do a search for mod_gzip/mod_deflate...
Right now sos1.tel weighs 7.29K, that could be reduced to less than 1K, if only mod_gzip/mod_deflate was enabled on the telnic servers... needless to say the bandwidth savings could be significant

HTTP Compression Test

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

The requirements to replicate the .tel front-end are not a problem for the types of people that domainers target. So the ease of development arguments in this thread are really a moot point. It's like when a domainer includes a logo with the domain. Almost every time the buyer is throwing that logo in the trash and using something else, because they can.

Fine - but a website for contact information on a .com is only comparable to the TelProxy part of .tel - the tip of the iceberg, everything else is beneath the surface of the water. That's the 90% you're failing to appreciate.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

If John Doe wants to use .tel as a point of contact, then go for it. But I think it's a real long shot for us domainers that this person is going to be willing to pay more for JohnDoe.tel in the domain aftermarket than he is myspace.com/johndoe or twitter.com/johndoe in the social site username black market. In the event a business wants a .tel (the people domainers need to get interested, obviously), it's going to be BusinessName.tel due to the nature of the system. Those are of course TM's and we can't sell those.

It's probably more likely that you'll see firstname.tel's being traded amongst individuals, for their vanity value. The market for fullname.tel's will be much thinner IMHO

Category and geographic names are the ones that should matter to domainers.

[saucey]

Take care Ms Domainer! Enjoy your trip, wherever that may be, and look forward to hearing from you when you return from your adventure.... Will you be a .tel millionaire by then??

Originally Posted by Ms Domainer

* Well, it's been real, guys. I'm getting ready for my extended stay abroad, I have renewed all my .tels (and other domains as well) that would have renewed while I'm away, and I'll be taking a hiatus from domaining (other than quick checks here and there). I may lurk a bit here, but I'm no longer going to post in this thread, given that I have said all I'm going to say about .tel. I've heard the pros and cons, but I haven't heard much that is new, so it's time to move on to other to more informative conversations and adventures. Bye! *

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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

I have a new avatar

Love the "Bling"

---------- Post added at 08:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:45 AM ----------

Originally Posted by sdsinc

That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 As for speed: I use HTTP compression techniques to speed up the load time for my websites. Do a search for mod_gzip/mod_deflate... Right now sos1.tel weighs 7.29K, that could be reduced to less than 1K, if only mod_gzip/mod_deflate was enabled on the telnic servers... needless to say the bandwidth savings could be significant HTTP Compression Test

I'm gonna check that out...

Thanks Kate.

[CDM]

for building a .com website about .tel domains, do you think it is better to have the form TelDomain.com or DotTelDomain.com? so having just the 'tel' or the whole 'dottel' in front? do you think people search more for ".tel" or "dot tel" ?

[DNNinja]

One thing that really is needed and probably has been mentioned already is the 'changing of backgrounds' - is this in the works?.

I'm too lazy to read every post just to find the answer already stated.

[FreakySteve]

Originally Posted by CDM

for building a .com website about .tel domains, do you think it is better to have the form TelDomain.com or DotTelDomain.com? so having just the 'tel' or the whole 'dottel' in front? do you think people search more for ".tel" or "dot tel" ?

If you can get the tel*.com or *tel.com, you're much better off. That way you're branding the "tel" and not "dot" I have many .tel related websites and they all brand "tel" not "dot".

[mactel]

@ CDM:

In the long term, I would choose ".Tel".

At the moment, there is often a confusion with "Tel Aviv".

Google is supposed to be able to make a difference between ".Tel" and "Tel", respectively, "Tel Aviv".
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

However, at the moment, "Dot Tel" always works the right way, and is "idiot proove".

But "Dot Tel" is less elegant than ".Tel", respectively, "Teldomain" sounds nicer, than "Dotteldomain".

Anyway, as long as people search for "Teldomain", your are fine, and will get found (maybe by having "teldomain.tel", as well).

I would just take "Teldomain", and not worrie too much.

Google will sort it out.

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by sdsinc

That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension. As for speed: I use HTTP compression techniques to speed up the load time for my websites. Do a search for mod_gzip/mod_deflate... Right now sos1.tel weighs 7.29K, that could be reduced to less than 1K, if only mod_gzip/mod_deflate was enabled on the telnic servers... needless to say the bandwidth savings could be significant ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 HTTP Compression Test

The difference between .tel and HTTP for this stuff would be like watching Usain Bolt and a fat celebrity going on a little Sunday morning run together. Gzip? Okay, staple the fat celebrity's stomach. Let's not also forget speed isn't the only issue - one of them is more likely to have a heart attack and stop running altogether.

I think Ms Domainer had the best idea, I need to leave this forum too.

[FrenchTel]

Originally Posted by sdsinc

That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension.

I was of course speaking about accessing SOS1.tel from a mobile device not from a computer.
And, as far as I know, .tel is the only extension that natively comes with 2 layouts, mobile and desktop ...

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

The difference between .tel and HTTP for this stuff would be like watching Usain Bolt and a fat celebrity going on a little Sunday morning run together.

On desktops there is no noticeable difference in load times.

Depending on your mobile connection there may be, but we are at the point now where .com load times are no longer a burden on decent connections.

And remember one thing: Advancements in mobile connections do not help .tel. It hurts .tel by helping .com and thus taking the speed argument away from .tel.

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Originally Posted by sdsinc

That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension.

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

I was of course speaking about accessing SOS1.tel from a mobile device not from a computer. And, as far as I know, .tel is the only extension that natively comes with 2 layouts, mobile and desktop ...

The developer end user who can afford to buy a $xxx, $x,xxx or even $xx,xxx .tel from a domainer is a developer who can implement mobile support for their .com.

As I said yesterday about end users tossing the free logo aside that came with the domain, I believe that .tel's built in development may have a similar effect.

If a company has (or has the ability to have) a contact system set up on their site that is mobile compatible, what kind of an argument is there to use .tel? What would you say to them? (We'll assume that the cost of the aftermarket .tel and the cost of the .com design work cancel each other out).

[mactel]

Quote:
"The developer end user who can afford to buy a $xxx, $x,xxx or even $xx,xxx .tel from a domainer is a developer who can implement mobile support for their .com."

You don't have to be a developer to do that. You can:
1.) Use INSTANTMOBILIZER for .mobi, or
2.) Integrate .tel into a existing website (.com).

Quote:
"As I said yesterday about end users tossing the free logo aside that came with the domain, I believe that .tel's built in development may have a similar effect."

1.) One can not replace the .tel logo,
2.) One can only replace the domain name with a custom heading. This requires some coding of both the backend and the front-end, but it's definitely on the roadmap of Telnic.

You sound like someone, who is not properly listning to others, and who has never made some experience with a own .tel domain, and is doing everything, so that he has not use .tel.
A sort of defensive atitude.

Why all the fuss? Why not just try it out, instead of posting so much talk about .tel?

Why not just benefit from .tel, instead of trying to put it down?

Look: All that energy you have been using talking about .tel: You could use it, to make some serious business and money with creating and selling .com domain names.

You are starting to waste your time. We have read all your posts and arguements. And .tel is still, what is is, and is appreciated and helps boost businesses.

If you have some constructive contributons for .tel, go to the .tel forum at the Telnic website. And try to be really useful, for the community.

But this is not the way, to go about it.

If there are some valuable arguements, that you have posted, they will sure be looked at, for a further examination.

Otherwhise, you are only starting to put people off, who have read all your posts, and who have tried to follow your comments.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

This looks more destructive, than constructive, to me.

[spline]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

On desktops there is no noticeable difference in load times. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 Depending on your mobile connection there may be, but we are at the point now where .com load times are no longer a burden on decent connections. And remember one thing: Advancements in mobile connections do not help .tel. It hurts .tel by helping .com and thus taking the speed argument away from .tel. ---------- Post added at 01:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 AM ----------

Yes but you are forgetting something important.

Surfing .com pages are a pain in the...from a cellphone, because of all the flash stuff etc etc...It could also cost you alot of datatraffic money depending on where you are etc.

Sure some pages have a special cellphone page, but not all.

Often with a cellphone you just want to get the contact/location info and you will be 100% sure that you don't get any unecesary information when browsing .tels.

Therefor a .tel could become a firstchoice when using cellphones.

[FreakySteve]

Originally Posted by mactel

Hello yourtel, npuser09, kprobe, justinhayward, ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 Hello liming, morganga, jacpar

Although I can not speak on behalf of these individuals, I can say that there are a bunch of us who are not engaging some of these conversations because the rotational nature of the points being put forth is tiresome.

The comparisons of apples to oranges and the mudslinging is comical, but that's about it. The REAL .tel developments are happening outside of this space.

[steveteva]

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

Although I can not speak on behalf of these individuals, I can say that there are a bunch of us who are not engaging some of these conversations because the rotational nature of the points being put forth is tiresome. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 The comparisons of apples to oranges and the mudslinging is comical, but that's about it. The REAL .tel developments are happening outside of this space.

By the way FreakySteve I love your mascott.
Yes it's starting to be boring now with no real news about .tel

Here are some good news for mobile devices ads and could benefits .tel as soon as ads will be available.
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/09/16...n-a-banner-ad/

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by steveteva

By the way FreakySteve I love your mascott. Yes it's starting to be boring now with no real news about .tel Here are some good news for mobile devices ads and could benefits .tel as soon as ads will be available. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 New Study: Mobile Users 1/2 As Likely To Click On A Banner Ad | The Domains

Who cares about monetising less than 1% of your traffic with crappy inventory?

Pay Per Call/Action is where the real money is. yext is already doing $20m revenue and growing fast - smart business, I just think .tel is a better platform for it than the web.

--

Writing some benchmark tests to show DubDubDubDot the speed advantage.

[mactel]

Compare:

a commercial .tel directory with a city,

city regions with domain categories,

districts with domains,

a apartment building with a domain section,

a apartment with a domain section category.

a apartment sharer with a subdomain renter (company/address with district name).


Imagine, you are the owner, or care taker of the directory.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Have you ever heard about one single person, taking care of a whole city?

Probably not: But you have heard about concierges taking care of apartment buildings and their apartments.

Which means, that if you want to populate your city, and as a property owner, select and choose the tenants, and then maintain the city, the apartment buildings and their apartments, and do all the adminstrative work, that goes with it, that means you would have a lot of work, and spend a lot of time, and that is simply impossible, for one person to do.

That is why the work and tasks are split up, divided: every well-kept apartment building has its own concierge, for example.

If you have a big city with nice apartment buildings, they would be maintained and well-kept by concierges. And all tenants would be happy, because every thing in the building and apartment works and functions, and is well maintained. And there is allways the concierge, to help, repair, and to update, whatever needs to be updated.

Now, if you have got a big commercial directory, you probably would soon be overstrained and overburdend, otherwhise.

So you might be smart, and employ a concierge for each of your section categories within your domain categories. So that they are always up to date.

Your job would be, to find new apartment-sharers, and to rent out the apartments, where apartment-sharing communities live.

Respectively, to find companies who want to rent a subdomain in a exclusive apartment building, that has a good address.

As a commercial .tel directory gives much more work, than a white or yellow pages directory with entries, that stay the same, and get outdated, after a while, you might want to make a few thoughts about organisation..., if you want happy and loyal tenants, and a regular income.

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by spline

Sure some pages have a special cellphone page, but not all. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 Often with a cellphone you just want to get the contact/location info and you will be 100% sure that you don't get any unecesary information when browsing .tels. Therefor a .tel could become a firstchoice when using cellphones.

Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread.

[steveteva]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread.

Totally believe that people will more type in .mobi or .tel in cellphone rather than .com.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
THAT'S WHAT I DO SO this is a proof. I hate search with my cellphone browser .com site, I usually type .mobi at end after keyword because I'm sure it fit my Iphone browser and not have to ZOOM each time.

[spline]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread.

I never made that claim, just said it is a possibility.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

.Tel is like the MCDonalds of domains. People know what they get, its simple, and they get it quick.

Add to that, that its much easier for avarage joy to get some content online than a .com domain...

In some situations thats a major advantage.

[mactel]

@ DubDubDubDot:
Your quote;
"Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread."

1.) With ".com mobile support" you probably mean ".mobi".

2.) Indeed, .mobi is not very popular. And many companyies don't have a .mobi
to compliment their existing website, for having a nice mobile experience of
their website. As well as easy mobile access of their website.

3.) You are comparing .mobi with .tel.
And there have been already many articles written, about comparing the
two domain extensions.:
Domains - Domain Names - Domainmonster.com
Compare Mobi and Tel Domain Names with our comparison article
Quote:
"Simply put, .mobi should be thought of as the TLD for mobile content
whereas .tel should be thought of as a (telephone) directory for
your contact information."

4.) You are talking about mobile content, but .tel is not about mobile conent,
respectively, website content: .tel is about (tele)communication.

5.) How would I use them together?:
Contact pages on your .mobi website could link to your .tel.
Or, what I personally think, is also good: .tel pages can link to a .mobi
website of a company: that way, you can see, if the company .com website
even has a .mobi website to compliment their existing website.
Quote Domainmonster:
"Equally, your .mobi website can be one of the items in your .tel data,
allowing anyone visiting or using your .tel to be pointed in the
direction of your .mobi website."

- Otherwhise, one might hope to find a .mobi website of a company, and then
has to find, that the company has no such mobile support of its existing
website.

6.) Dot tel domains, are also designed to compliment a existing website.

7.) So, if one is interested in viewing a specific .com website, one could try to
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
benefit from .mobi, as well as from .tel, as complementary domains of a
.com domain.

8.) Conclusion: .tel is supporting .com, and is neither hindering it, nor a burden
for it. Dot tel is a friend of .com. So, why bashing at it, and putting it down?

9.) I think, these extensions, are all good, and useful, in a different way, and
that they are able to compliment each other, and work together.

10.) If you dont find a .com, straightaway, you might find its .tel, and then be
able to find the .com at last.

If you don't know about a .mobi website of a company, you might find the
companies .tel page, and learn about its complementary .mobi website.

Can you see, now, how useful .tel is, and that it is filling out gaps and niches, and providing services, that we hadn't had before?

It is also using a other technology, and is therefore "google juice", for the search engines.

I hope, this helps a bit, to see all the facts and constellations about .tel and .mobi and .com., and how they nicely can play together.

.