[sdsinc]

.tel development ?
Nice oxymoron for data entry job

[plaggypig]

Damn, you should write to property developers around the world and demand they start referring to themselves "brick arrangement specialists" instead; the only C they use is Cement.

[Acroplex]

Originally Posted by saucey

LOL! Give it a rest Acro! The only Tel you own is telsucks.tel Don't try to make it sound like you are a supporter or open to the extension in any way.. You aren't, and that is fine.. but don't throw up the smoke and mirrors .... no honest... "I don't hate .tel... heck, I even own .tel domains." Ha ha ha.. Whatever. You have bashed this extension since launch and have done everything in your power to try to "put people off" of the idea of .Tel.

I don't own telsucks.tel saucey. I own telsucks.com
And that's why "tel sucks" in Google brings it at the top - because it's a .com

I have about 10 .tel domains which were proactive registrations due to trademarks owned.

Now, twist it as much as you like, throw a fit and stomp your feet: .tel is not a TLD that can be developed. Until TelNic changes that - a raw awakening would come too late - don't parade your .tel text listings as "development".

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Originally Posted by hasseily

I suggest you amend your comment to state: don't use the terms "web development" alongside ".tel". That will be correct.

I understand that you believe in the "code poetry" motto; that's fine. But don't come pushing .tel as the next killer app, it's not. Think about it: your crowd can't even be the MySpace people; they are used to glitzy graphics and gaudy banners & music. .tel is minimalistic and unsuitable for any development.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/561820-the-official-tel-discussion-thread.html

But since you're in this thread as a TelNic rep, please explain why you don't enable switching of the DNS via a function so that people can use regular hosting?

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by Agroplex

And that's why "tel sucks" in Google brings it at the top - because it's a .com

I'm not sure the TLD string itself is really a factor in Google rankings? The reason telsucks.com is #1 is because it has backlinks from your blog, and it's an uncompetitive phrase. If you want to try an experiment then I'll do something with sucks.tel and you can link to it from your blog.

Originally Posted by Agroplex

I have about 10 .tel domains which were proactive registrations due to trademarks owned.

Did you buy 10 names in every other TLD as well, or just this sucky extension? And how many others did you TRY (and fail) to buy during landrush/ga? Tell the pig what's upsetting you.

Originally Posted by Agroplex

Now, twist it as much as you like, throw a fit and stomp your feet: .tel is not a TLD that can be developed. Until TelNic changes that - a raw awakening would come too late - don't parade your .tel text listings as "development".

The web and .tel are entirely different contexts. "Developing .tel directories" is just shorthand for developing taxonomies, developing business links, etc. Your whinging about word semantics is vexatious. Got any real beef?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Originally Posted by Agroplex

But since you're in this thread as a TelNic rep, please explain why you don't enable switching of the DNS via a function so that people can use regular hosting?

Because websites are not the remit of .tel. It would be a distraction.

Focus on communication. Multiplicity and mobility. Simples.

[Acroplex]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

I'm not sure the TLD string itself is really a factor in Google rankings? The reason telsucks.com is #1 is because it has backlinks from your blog, and it's an uncompetitive phrase. If you want to try an experiment then I'll do something with sucks.tel and you can link to it from your blog. Did you buy 10 names in every other TLD as well, or just this sucky extension? And how many others did you TRY (and fail) to buy during landrush/ga? Tell the pig what's upsetting you. The web and .tel are entirely different contexts. "Developing .tel directories" is just shorthand for developing taxonomies, developing business links, etc. Your whinging about word semantics is vexatious. Got any real beef? Because websites are not the remit of .tel. It would be a distraction. Focus on communication. Multiplicity and mobility. Simples.

You're wrong. It's #1 because it's actually laden with keywords in the meta tags, something that no .tel domain has.

Fact. View source of any .tel domain. No meta tags, no description, keywords. Nada.

My experiment proves it - refer to my blog about my CPA's last name as a .tel - at #35 in Google while his oddbal .net is #1.

I see a lot of coder lingo, nothing of substance in your post.

I wonder how many clueless people got .tel domains at landrush, only to find out they cannot park them, they cannot develop them, they cannot host them.

Any addition since launch to the .tel features is a "hack".
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Want to be considered a real TLD Registry, TelNic? Offer a feature to turn off your purple button and allow owners of .tel to switch their DNS. Until then, "development" and ".tel" don't go together.

It's also interesting that TelNic chooses the word "service" instead of "domain" when referring to their own .tel

[tiawood]

Ouch >_<

Originally Posted by plaggypig

Focus on communication. Multiplicity and mobility. Simples.

At least you can point a .mobi to whatever server environment is needed. To me, being able to get a domain to do what I and my client needs it to do is everything with "multiplicity and mobility".

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by Agroplex

You're wrong. It's #1 because it's actually laden with keywords in the meta tags, something that no .tel domain has.

Google indexes .tel keywords. Does it matter they're from the page body rather than META tags? I believe Telnic has microformats somewhere on the roadmap anyway, so in the future everything Google reads from .tel will be semantic. Alternatively they could query DNS instead of scraping from the web.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Originally Posted by Agroplex

My experiment proves it - refer to my blog about my CPA's last name as a .tel - at #35 in Google while his oddbal .net is #1.

Yeah, even mine isn't #1. The problem is the social networks I'm on have PageRank, and my .tel does not (speaking rhetorically, why should you expect it to?). But my .tel IS the most authoritative thing about me on the internet. So who's problem is that? Search engines need to find new approaches to this problem.

Originally Posted by Agroplex

I wonder how many clueless people got .tel domains at landrush, only to find out they cannot park them, they cannot develop them, they cannot host them.

Caveat emptor. The pitch from the very beginning has been about how different it is from other TLDs. How anybody could have been oblivious to that is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Agroplex

Any addition since launch to the .tel features is a "hack".

Some of the best things in life are hacks.. even the Internet itself.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

But nothing is ever finished. Telnic is running development cycles on an approximate monthly basis - the next TelHosting release is due next week, with some nice feature upgrades.

Originally Posted by Agroplex

Want to be considered a real TLD Registry, TelNic? Offer a feature to turn off your purple button and allow owners of .tel to switch their DNS. Until then, "development" and ".tel" don't go together.

Considering .tel's purpose, what are the merits of this suggestion? If you can't articulate any, why should we bother to take you seriously, especially since I've already given you a damned good reason why it's a bad idea, and yet you still persist.

Originally Posted by Agroplex

It's also interesting that TelNic chooses the word "service" instead of "domain" when referring to their own .tel

I think of .tel as a platform.. all sorts of exciting services can be DEVELOPED on top

This discussion is stale and no longer interests me, unless you manage to concede something and move the argument along onto pastures new.

[Acroplex]

First of all, get my name right, because you're appearing as an arrogant douchebag.

Second, unless you can control the DNS you have no control over a domain. Now, focus on semantics or your little Wikipedia Web 2.x method of defining what a domain should be.

.tel is the ONLY TLD that the owner has no control over: as long as the fugly design by TelNic shows up, along with the purple .tel button, it won't be a domain worth owning.

I am certain that TelNic has the means of offering the switch to the DNS and they won't do it out of spite. But once the time comes to renew the thousands of worthless .tel domains, maybe the drop rates will make them change their mind.

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

First of all, get my name right, because you're appearing as an arrogant douchebag.

It's the reputation you make for yourself.

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Second, unless you can control the DNS you have no control over a domain.

I have control over my domains.

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Now, focus on semantics or your little Wikipedia Web 2.x method of defining what a domain should be.

Wikipedia, Web 2.0? This has nothing to do with the web, or wikis.

Originally Posted by Acroplex

.tel is the ONLY TLD that the owner has no control over: as long as the fugly design by TelNic shows up, along with the purple .tel button, it won't be a domain worth owning.

It's utilitarian, I like it, but I respect the fact you don't - everybody has different tastes. How to please everybody? Maybe the solution is to offer a choice of template styles.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

But let's keep things in perspective; this is such a minor issue it doesn't seem at all worthy of the scorn you pour onto it. The TelProxy is just a wormhole from the web to the .tel, and there are a growing number of ways you can access it.

Originally Posted by Acroplex

I am certain that TelNic has the means of offering the switch to the DNS and they won't do it out of spite. But once the time comes to renew the thousands of worthless .tel domains, maybe the drop rates will make them change their mind.

If you really believe that a company has invested their time and money into developing a product designed to spite their customers then I can only pity you.

No more replies from me now, too much aggravation.

[tel-buy.com]

ON THE SERIOUS SIDE,

Let’s not forget what .tel is first and foremost.

It’s a Global Directory like (but MUCH better than) YP.com

A. Telnic.org let’s you get a listing YOU own.
B. Theo-Develegas.tel is YOURS to control.
C. Telpages.com let’s everyone find it.

Still beats the Yellow/White Pages Racket !

AFTER all that, the Data Bucket can be used in MANY applications

[Acroplex]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

It's the reputation you make for yourself. I have control over my domains. Wikipedia, Web 2.0? This has nothing to do with the web, or wikis. It's utilitarian, I like it, but I respect the fact you don't - everybody has different tastes. How to please everybody? Maybe the solution is to offer a choice of template styles. But let's keep things in perspective; this is such a minor issue it doesn't seem at all worthy of the scorn you pour onto it. The TelProxy is just a wormhole from the web to the .tel, and there are a growing number of ways you can access it. If you really believe that a company has invested their time and money into developing a product designed to spite their customers then I can only pity you. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 No more replies from me now, too much aggravation.

Who's aggravated? When confronted with facts you answer with nothing of substance.

Can you change the DNS to host a .tel domain?

No.

To me that takes away any further argument you'll bring forward, regardless of its validity.

If you can't change the DNS, you can't develop a .tel domain.

Therefore, .tel domains lose their appeal to domain investors and developers alike.

Ergo, to consider certain .tel domains as "premium" is absurd. All .tel domains are of equal value - well below that of any other TLD, because you can't change the DNS.

You don't like to hear the truth, so be it. You're then a fanboi, an acolyte, a blind follower. That's not me. I like to challenge pseudo-authorities with valid arguments.

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[sdsinc]

Who needs .tel when we are not using the full potential of DNS ?

http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?...c.net&type=TXT

[MicroGuy]

I think as more and more .TEL registrants discover that they have been hoodwinked, there will be increasing pressure on the registry to do the right thing and open DNS access to advanced users.

As someone very wise mentioned earlier, this WILL happen soon or later. IMO.

[Acroplex]

I just read the FAQ at telsters; a quick note to my friend plaggypig here: I was churning code for the Z80 CPU at a time that you were probably not even born, so to discount the fact that people *did* use computers in the 90's is a serious joke. I first used the Internet the year Steve Jobs launched his "NeXT" computer, so after a little research you should be able to figure out the actual year.

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Who's aggravated? When confronted with facts you answer with nothing of substance.

You're not dealing in facts.

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Can you change the DNS to host a .tel domain? No.

You can change anything you like, except the Address record. That must always point to the TelProxy servers, ensuring views from the web will always return a standard representation (and a lightweight version for mobile devices). Consistent and predictable. No websites distracting us from the big objective; contact information distributed through the DNS.

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Therefore, .tel domains lose their appeal to domain investors and developers alike.

Claiming to speak for an entire group of people is always a bad idea

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Ergo, to consider certain .tel domains as "premium" is absurd. All .tel domains are of equal value - well below that of any other TLD, because you can't change the DNS.

Every red car is of the same value because they aren't amphibious.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Originally Posted by Acroplex

You're then a fanboi, an acolyte, a blind follower. That's not me. I like to challenge pseudo-authorities with valid arguments.

From what I can gather, you have two issues; 1) the Address record is fixed, 2) you don't like the TelProxy design. I've responded to both, but you're either incapable of comprehending my answers or like to pretend you never heard them, running these same arguments through the mill over and over again for shits n giggles.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

The End.

[Acroplex]

Witticisms are of no use when you cannot deliver a statement.

Can you change the DNS to host, park, develop a .tel domain?

No.

The End of .tel

[tiawood]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Can you change the DNS to host, park, develop a .tel domain? No. The End of .tel

Oh well. That's why I don't own any .tel. They obviously don't want my $$$
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

And clients don't want to brand a companyname.tel so their customers can have a directory list of things already accessible on their http://mobile.companyname.com in the layout branded and developed for their own company needs.

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by tel-buy.com

It’s a Global Directory like (but MUCH better than) YP.com A. Telnic.org let’s you get a listing YOU own. B. Theo-Develegas.tel is YOURS to control. C. Telpages.com let’s everyone find it. Still beats the Yellow/White Pages Racket !

Not so fast. The groundwork in theory is there for .tel to be better than the traditional phone book. But as of right now, .tel is the equivalent of a phone book with a thousand blank pages.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

1) Can the general public figure out how to buy domain names? Think of everyone in your family across all age levels. How would each react if you told them to go buy a domain name? In my family almost nobody would know what the heck I'm even talking about.

2) Another problem is that registrar's sites are set up as B2B sites for online industry people. .tel is for a much broader user base, so it's going to take standalone .tel sales sites to cater to the general public. Simply put, things need to be dumbed down. Will the registrars do this?

3) Of those that know .tel exists and can buy one (cost & feature arguments aside), how many will keep their info updated and not let their .tel expire because of non use?

[liming]

What means DNS?I don't care. I like surf internet from 1995. Now I like design website use Joomla,No coding,just stack module,I like open source,simple is first!
In China,some websites just pile up link acquire huge traffic. Why? simple and straight! Most people don't care how to control DNS.

[Acroplex]

liming, if you use Joomla you are actually using a domain that is hosted; that means you control the DNS. With .tel you cannot do that.

[MicroGuy]

Originally Posted by liming

Most people don't care how to control DNS.

Correction: Most consumers don't care how to control DNS, but webmasters like to control DNS so they can make website. Website good, early 1990's template bad.

[liming]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

liming, if you use Joomla you are actually using a domain that is hosted; that means you control the DNS. With .tel you cannot do that.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
If .tel admin panel can pile up what I want, I give up Joomla!

[tiawood]

Originally Posted by liming

If .tel admin panel can pile up what I want, I give up Joomla!

.Tel cannot do anything but point to their pages.

Regular domains can point anywhere and you can do anything with them. It is part of the DNS.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
With .tel, they do not allow you to host or do anything but use their control panel, their layout and their predefined over glorified limited contact fields. No HTML editing, no script installation, no php coding: nothing.

[Acroplex]

Originally Posted by liming

If .tel admin panel can pile up what I want, I give up Joomla!

Then do it, if that "pile up" works for you.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

Maybe .tel has a future - as a "pile up" menu for Chinese take-out!

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

2) Another problem is that registrar's sites are set up as B2B sites for online industry people. .tel is for a much broader user base, so it's going to take standalone .tel sales sites to cater to the general public. Simply put, things need to be dumbed down. Will the registrars do this?

And to expand on what I wrote above, I do not believe that registrars want to deal with the general non developer/domainer public that .tel aims to draw.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

The registrars that do sell .tel are doing so only on a B2B level, which does not put a strain on tech support. I'm guessing this is why GoDaddy does not deal with .tel.