[MicroGuy]

Originally Posted by bionichead

The price is now at $510 (USD) with 24 bids from 8 bidders. There are three days left.

Yeah. I ran it up to $210.00. There is a single proxy "bid" of some unknown amount from some unknown party, winning the bumps.

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

It is about: - mobile Internet

What about .tel makes it superior to .com on mobile devices?

Certainly not the design. It was decided by the development community some years ago that a better solution than things like .mobi would be to make the .com address accessible from all platforms. Countless sites have since launched this.

Maybe it's the speed of storing .tel profile data in the DNS. The fact is, 4G is five times faster than 3G and it will be here sooner than .tel can hype itself to the masses.

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

- structured databases - theory of graphs ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/561820-the-official-tel-discussion-thread.html - dynamic navigational trees - telecommunications - complex directories - ...

Wow, talk about packaging garbage in a nice box. Just a bunch of big words in an attempt to confuse and impress noobs. This same stuff applies to very basic .com development.

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

And this IS development. Just development that requires different (I first intended to write higher, but don't want to offend anyone) skills than pissing lines of HTML code ...

LOL You can't possibly believe this crap. You HAVE GOT to be shilling .tel for the noobs. Filling out a .tel profile is "higher" than coding? Just wow...

[FreakySteve]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

"But .tel is all we need to accomplish what we want to do!"...

I'm curious about where this quote is being pulled from, I'm not sure any Telsters make this claim, if so I'd like to know where this was said.

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Maybe it's the speed of storing .tel profile data in the DNS. The fact is, 4G is five times faster than 3G and it will be here sooner than .tel can hype itself to the masses.

And the fact is that this will speed up .tel communications as well.
.tel domains benefit from improvements in cell phone access and speed, these things do not take away from the lean efficient nature of .tel based data and how it is retrieved.

"shilling .tel for the noobs" is definitely a two way street and the anti .tel opinions are at least as biased as those of Telsters.

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

This same stuff applies to very basic .com development.

So if it's the "same stuff" that applies to ".com development" then your contradiction is complete. Thank you for finally accepting the concept of "developing a .tel"

[ecigs.net]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

It was decided by the development community some years ago that a better solution than things like .mobi would be to make the .com address accessible from all platforms.

Please define who the "development community" is supposed to be. Nobody is fooled by these type of blanket expressions. Before you post this type of stuff, buy a book on critical thinking. If you are too poor to buy a book, then I'll include a wikipedia definition that describes the technique that you are attempting to use to confuse your audience - Weasel Words.
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"Weasel words is an informal term for words that are ambiguous and not supported by facts. They are typically used to create an illusion of clear, direct communication. Weasel words are usually expressed with deliberate imprecision with the intention to mislead the listeners or readers into believing statements for which sources are not readily available."

Weasel Words include: People say, experience shows, experts say, it is noted that, it has been shown that, it was decided by the development community, et cetera.

Try to understand that your audience is at least as smart as you are. Deliberate imprecision isn't going to trick anyone.

[MicroGuy]

According to my sources a vast majority of experts in this field are highly opposed to investing in the .TEL extension. This has been proven time and time again. IMO.

[liming]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

According to my sources a vast majority of experts in this field are highly opposed to investing in the .TEL extension. This has been proven time and time again. IMO.

Oh,ba lala,
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Experts say no, I say yes!

What a great investment chance for the person like me owning stupid but wise brain.
In the past decade,I made very high success ratio as an anti-experts speculator.

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

I'm curious about where this quote is being pulled from, I'm not sure any Telsters make this claim, if so I'd like to know where this was said.

Statements to the effect of "Why develop a .com when .tel does what I need?" have been made many times in this thread alone. They generally come from people attempting to bend .tel far beyond it's intended use into something where the .tel profile itself is the core of the business.

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

And the fact is that this will speed up .tel communications as well. .tel domains benefit from improvements in cell phone access and speed, these things do not take away from the lean efficient nature of .tel based data and how it is retrieved.

The selling point in this area is that .com is very slow on mobile devices. It's not really about .tel's speed. It's .com's lack of speed. Do you see anyone pumping .tel's quickness in use on desktops? No. Because .com's speed is now perfectly acceptable on that platform.
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---------- Post added at 10:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:28 PM ----------

Since the next gathering is called Tel Camp 1, does that mean "Tel Camp 0" in Boston is being swept under the rug since nobody showed up?

[onspec]

*

We're pleased to announce that TelCamp Toronto 1 will be held at the Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) located in the heart of the city at Bloor and Queen's Park.

For detailed information please visit the wiki at: TelCamp - TelCampus

Pre-registrations are starting to pick up with some very interesting attendees. You can check out the list at: attendees.toronto-1.telcamp.tel

Why not plan to attend? There are some very talented people that will be contributing their knowledge and skills that you won't want to miss.

Cheers,

[Acroplex]

As I've stated to a Canadian technology publication covering the .tel event in Toronto:

"A flaw-ridden attempt at creating a virtual contact card that would impress, if only it were 1994. In the days of web 2.0 and interactive social media platforms, .tel comes through as a cheap and kitschy gimmick; then again cheap and kitschy might impress the MySpace users it's purported to be targeting."

[Ader]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

According to my sources a vast majority of experts in this field are highly opposed to investing in the .TEL extension. This has been proven time and time again. IMO.

No offence microguy, but many successful inventors/investors prefer to observe the masses (think "experts", "tradition", "accepted practice" "proven" etc), and do the opposite.
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Sometimes they do quite well.

[ecigs.net]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

According to my sources a vast majority of experts in this field are highly opposed to investing in the .TEL extension. This has been proven time and time again. IMO.

The terms "my sources" and "vast majority" are too vague to prove anything. An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges, "If many believe so, it is so." (from Wikipedia).

A vast majority of educated people on Earth believed the Sun revolved around the Earth until they were proved wrong by Mikolaj Kopernik. Just because everybody believes something to be true, it does not make it so.

Besides that, since you bid $210 for Alaska.tel, even you don't believe these people. Why should anyone else?

ALASKA.TEL

Estimated end time: 0 day 11 hours 28 min.
(Aug/11/09 05:34 AM EST)
Current Bid:
950 USD
Reserve met!
Bidding History (34 Bids)
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From the sale of Alaska.tel, we can conclude that at this moment in time, NewYork.tel, California.tel, Texas.tel and Florida.tel are worth at least $950 each. They all have much larger populations than Alaska.

[saucey]

Time to make some cash!!

RingRevenue™ - News & Events - CJ Pay-Per-Call Webinar Draws Big Crowd

Saucey

[mis_chiff]

Originally Posted by saucey

Time to make some cash!! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 RingRevenue™ - News & Events - CJ Pay-Per-Call Webinar Draws Big Crowd Saucey

How do you incorporate the CJ Paypercall on your .tel?
Anyone tried yet, I haven't had a chance to look at it.

[saucey]

Hi Wendy

I have only just finished signing up and reading the PDF describing the platform...So I am still feeling things out... but, I am thinking it will be useful for a site such as my RentCars.tel. If people start using my site to find rental cars, and everyone of those calls are tracked and reported back to the respective rental agencies.. well, it could prove to be quite profitable..Or, at least it would seem so..

It appears that each affiliate recieves a unique phone number to advertise with... so when a customer calls using that number, CJ knows who gets paid.. at least that's how I read it. A customer could "click call" from your .tel page, or even call from a landline... as long as he or she is calling YOUR specific number, you get paid.

[steveteva]

yes alaska is a bargain at 900 but I m sure it will sell over 1000 I could bid on it but d'ont tell you how much

[mis_chiff]

Originally Posted by saucey

Hi Wendy I have only just finished signing up and reading the PDF describing the platform...So I am still feeling things out... but, I am thinking it will be useful for a site such as my RentCars.tel. If people start using my site to find rental cars, and everyone of those calls are tracked and reported back to the respective rental agencies.. well, it could prove to be quite profitable..Or, at least it would seem so.. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 It appears that each affiliate recieves a unique phone number to advertise with... so when a customer calls using that number, CJ knows who gets paid.. at least that's how I read it. A customer could "click call" from your .tel page, or even call from a landline... as long as he or she is calling YOUR specific number, you get paid.

Thanks for the update, let us know how it goes.
Good luck

[Sarena]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

As I've stated to a Canadian technology publication covering the .tel event in Toronto: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 "A flaw-ridden attempt at creating a virtual contact card that would impress, if only it were 1994. In the days of web 2.0 and interactive social media platforms, .tel comes through as a cheap and kitschy gimmick; then again cheap and kitschy might impress the MySpace users it's purported to be targeting."

sounds like you have been around the mobi block...

my husband invested in mobi, i have the .tel .... the good thing about .tel is that you dont have to read volumes to learn to program if you just want to have a simple contact point to place in your print ads and business cards. from a sales persons perspective you can also get your clients to associate you with a .tel and then if you change companies, your clients will still know how to get ahold of you.... imho

[iDomainTrader]

I have 220 .tel names that are geo, first names. keywords and never receive an offer. Not so sure if .tel was a good investment.

[mis_chiff]

liming, what does .cn stats have to do with .tel?
They are not even slightly similar!

[MrDave]

Dub,

How about showing us the top 25 domain names in your portfolio so we can assess whether to follow your lead or do anything but.

Your domain list should tell us something about your skill as a domainer and whether or not you have an intuitive sense for this business. After reading your several months of postings, many domainers would probably be interested in seeing the domain names you've picked up along the way.

Is that too much to ask?

[lewisrx]

alaska.tel Auction ended on sedo at 1,050 USD

[CDM]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Of course they can be monetized, but the backbone of the naysayer arguments have always been how much more difficult it is on .tel compared to .com. Pay per call affiliate programs do not change that. From the affiliate webmaster sales side, the only thing different is that you are sending referrals though a phone number rather than a URL. You still have to generate traffic to your promo sites and you still have to sell that traffic on the product. Once again, good luck doing that from a .tel profile when your competition is doing it on a .com using something more than plain text on a white background. I know how it goes though.... "But .tel is all we need to accomplish what we want to do!" Yeah right. More like .tel is all you can figure out because you refuse to learn how to develop properly. .tel is all you've got. At least the people riding on .tel becoming a phone number alternative have something to hope for. The .tel "developers" have nothing and don't seem to realize it.

oh contraire mon frere, I just sold a .tel last week to a professional developer of iphone apps for $750. web development isnt the only thing going on these days. not a bad ROI too I might add

[plaggypig]

I've received tons of inquiries on my portfolio of ~50 premium category names, and most of the offers that followed were in the $5-10k range. I haven't sold any, but I've bought a few privately.

Despite my presence in this community I'm not a domain trader (I've sold 2 domains in my entire life). I own .tel domains because I intend to build, curate, craft, sculpt and develop next generation directories and services with them. I'm also developing a new kind of search engine, an advertising platform, and other tools for the telosphere.

Anyway, for the domain traders holding .tel's out there; be patient. The 'first come first serve' nature of the .tel launch was an equitable one, but in the absence of registries in cahoots with auctioneers to sell off the premium names directly, the .tel aftermarket starts from a seedling. In the long run it makes no difference price wise, but in the short term there are some amazing buying opportunities.
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I think I can hear DubDubDubDot starting to hyperventilate so I'd better leave it there

[MicroGuy]

Originally Posted by bionichead

The terms "my sources" and "vast majority" are too vague to prove anything. An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges, "If many believe so, it is so." (from Wikipedia). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 A vast majority of educated people on Earth believed the Sun revolved around the Earth until they were proved wrong by Mikolaj Kopernik. Just because everybody believes something to be true, it does not make it so. Besides that, since you bid $210 for Alaska.tel, even you don't believe these people. Why should anyone else? ALASKA.TEL Estimated end time: 0 day 11 hours 28 min. (Aug/11/09 05:34 AM EST) Current Bid: 950 USD Reserve met! Bidding History (34 Bids) From the sale of Alaska.tel, we can conclude that at this moment in time, NewYork.tel, California.tel, Texas.tel and Florida.tel are worth at least $950 each. They all have much larger populations than Alaska.

If you'll look back a page or two, you'll see that I posted this right after your post about weasel words, it was supposed to be a joke.

BTW Alaska.tel ended @ $1050.00. Not bad!

[mwzd]

Yeah, the alaska.tel sale was pretty good at 1k

So now we see a run on geo's for .tel?

Tbh, from the way I see it, 95% of the .tels registered will end up being a losing proposition for the investors till such time as there really is a concerted effort by end users to adopt it. Which is unlikely from what I can see, I may be wrong, but I'll save my reg funds for now.