The Official .TEL Discussion Thread

[hakita]

Hi all,

Will anyone build an Iphone phone Call application that could handle .tel ?

Ex : instead of typing a number, i type in "JohnSmith.tel" , then an phone call is made to the default Phone NAPTR DNS entry of JohnSmith.tel.

I guess that could be easy to make for an Iphone developper.
I would love that app and can not understand why it does not exist already...

When people will see you just can "call" a .tel, il will become a must have

regards.

[liming]

I wonder how many .tel reg until now.
210,000?
250,000?
290,000?
up? can't believe

[plaggypig]

Exciting news.

The following press release was posted in the .mobi section of NP, but I'm unable to cite the original release (not on cj.com, and google searches only yield another forum post), so for the time being this quote will have to suffice:

Originally Posted by CommissionJunction

Commission Junction is excited to introduce the new CJ PayPerCall. Pay-per-call represents a great new opportunity for publishers to earn even more with CJ. In addition to more than a dozen advertisers, like ADT and ServiceMagic, who have launched pay-per-call campaigns for you to promote, we anticipate a very large financial services advertiser launching soon just for pay-per-call. So, we want to make sure you’re up to speed on pay-per-call so you can be among the first in the affiliate marketing industry to take advantage of this opportunity. Why should you be as excited as we are about CJ’s new pay-per-call platform? That’s easy. Big commissions for doing not much more than you’re already doing today. Pay-per-call is here to stay, and most of our 4-barand 5-bar advertisers are already actively paying attractive commissions for calls as well as online transactions. In fact, the average per-call commission is over $10, and some advertisers pay up to $100 per call. Pay-per-call doesn’t take the place of your online CPA campaigns with these large advertisers. Pay-per-call campaigns are IN ADDITION TO existing CPA campaigns. And our new platform makes it surprisingly easy for publishers to start generating these higher per-call commissions. To get you up to speed and help you get started, we will be hosting a LIVE DEMO to get all of your questions answered and provide you with the materials you need to start driving high-commission calls for top-brand advertisers.

Upto $100 per call for some advertisers.. and you thought .tel directories couldn't be monetised? lmfao

[Ader]

Originally Posted by virtualwords

3 words for all you guys with the same old comments, boring boring boring

Here here.

And thank you plaggypig for that well written Q&A.

I just found out about a way you can hide your email from spammers without using the privacy features on your .tel. It's a captcha and is easy to use (even for a non technical user like me)
Here's the link; reCAPTCHA Mailhide: Free Spam Protection You just insert a given url as a web page in your contacts (e.g. http://email-homesales.homesales.tel/ )
Probably some of you are using it already, but anyway I think it's worth passing on.

[morganga]

Originally Posted by liming

I wonder how many .tel reg until now. 210,000? 250,000? 290,000? up? can't believe

To be expected?

From Summary of Application of Telnic Limited:

Quote:

Projected Growth Rate. The projected growth rate is about one million names per year for the first few years.

From Status Report on the stld Application Process (19 March 2004):

Quote:

Telnic estimates would be 5 million by the end of year 5.

[liming]

Originally Posted by morganga

To be expected? Projected Growth Rate. The projected growth rate is about one million names per year for the first few years. Telnic estimates would be 5 million by the end of year 5. :

optimistic than landing on Mars

[MicroGuy]

For all the true .TEL believers, you should mortgage the house and make sure not to let ALASKA.TEL (not mine) slip away. It's currently at Sedo auction with a high bid of only $170. I'm tempted to put a bid or two in myself at the price. IMO.

[FrenchTel]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

Exciting news. The following press release was posted in the .mobi section of NP, but I'm unable to cite the original release (not on cj.com, and google searches only yield another forum post), so for the time being this quote will have to suffice: Upto $100 per call for some advertisers.. and you thought .tel directories couldn't be monetised? lmfao

Hi Andy!

I noticed that a couple of months ago: Commission Junction PayPerCall is powered by the new RingRevenue platform.

Great monetization potential for .tel indeed!

Enjoy your week-end,

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

Upto $100 per call for some advertisers.. and you thought .tel directories couldn't be monetised? lmfao

Of course they can be monetized, but the backbone of the naysayer arguments have always been how much more difficult it is on .tel compared to .com. Pay per call affiliate programs do not change that.

From the affiliate webmaster sales side, the only thing different is that you are sending referrals though a phone number rather than a URL. You still have to generate traffic to your promo sites and you still have to sell that traffic on the product. Once again, good luck doing that from a .tel profile when your competition is doing it on a .com using something more than plain text on a white background.

I know how it goes though.... "But .tel is all we need to accomplish what we want to do!" Yeah right. More like .tel is all you can figure out because you refuse to learn how to develop properly. .tel is all you've got. At least the people riding on .tel becoming a phone number alternative have something to hope for. The .tel "developers" have nothing and don't seem to realize it.

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

Hi Andy! I noticed that a couple of months ago: Commission Junction PayPerCall is powered by the new RingRevenue platform. Great monetization potential for .tel indeed! Enjoy your week-end,

Thanks for the heads up. I found an interesting article about RingRevenue over at venturebeat.

[FrenchTel]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

More like .tel is all you can figure out because you refuse to learn how to develop properly. .tel is all you've got. At least the people riding on .tel becoming a phone number alternative have something to hope for. The .tel "developers" have nothing and don't seem to realize it.

Time to take the blinkers off!

.tel is not about Web, and therefore not about HTML or Flash or whatever graphic design tool. It is not even about PCs ...

It is about:
- mobile Internet
- structured databases
- theory of graphs
- dynamic navigational trees
- telecommunications
- complex directories
- ...

And this IS development. Just development that requires different (I first intended to write higher, but don't want to offend anyone) skills than pissing lines of HTML code ...

[ecigs.net]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

For all the true .TEL believers, you should mortgage the house and make sure not to let ALASKA.TEL (not mine) slip away. It's currently at Sedo auction with a high bid of only $170. I'm tempted to put a bid or two in myself at the price. IMO.

The price is now at $510 (USD) with 24 bids from 8 bidders. There are three days left.

[MicroGuy]

Originally Posted by bionichead

The price is now at $510 (USD) with 24 bids from 8 bidders. There are three days left.

Yeah. I ran it up to $210.00. There is a single proxy "bid" of some unknown amount from some unknown party, winning the bumps.

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

It is about: - mobile Internet

What about .tel makes it superior to .com on mobile devices?

Certainly not the design. It was decided by the development community some years ago that a better solution than things like .mobi would be to make the .com address accessible from all platforms. Countless sites have since launched this.

Maybe it's the speed of storing .tel profile data in the DNS. The fact is, 4G is five times faster than 3G and it will be here sooner than .tel can hype itself to the masses.

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

- structured databases - theory of graphs - dynamic navigational trees - telecommunications - complex directories - ...

Wow, talk about packaging garbage in a nice box. Just a bunch of big words in an attempt to confuse and impress noobs. This same stuff applies to very basic .com development.

Originally Posted by FrenchTel

And this IS development. Just development that requires different (I first intended to write higher, but don't want to offend anyone) skills than pissing lines of HTML code ...

LOL You can't possibly believe this crap. You HAVE GOT to be shilling .tel for the noobs. Filling out a .tel profile is "higher" than coding? Just wow...

[FreakySteve]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

"But .tel is all we need to accomplish what we want to do!"...

I'm curious about where this quote is being pulled from, I'm not sure any Telsters make this claim, if so I'd like to know where this was said.

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Maybe it's the speed of storing .tel profile data in the DNS. The fact is, 4G is five times faster than 3G and it will be here sooner than .tel can hype itself to the masses.

And the fact is that this will speed up .tel communications as well.
.tel domains benefit from improvements in cell phone access and speed, these things do not take away from the lean efficient nature of .tel based data and how it is retrieved.

"shilling .tel for the noobs" is definitely a two way street and the anti .tel opinions are at least as biased as those of Telsters.

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

This same stuff applies to very basic .com development.

So if it's the "same stuff" that applies to ".com development" then your contradiction is complete. Thank you for finally accepting the concept of "developing a .tel"

[ecigs.net]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

It was decided by the development community some years ago that a better solution than things like .mobi would be to make the .com address accessible from all platforms.

Please define who the "development community" is supposed to be. Nobody is fooled by these type of blanket expressions. Before you post this type of stuff, buy a book on critical thinking. If you are too poor to buy a book, then I'll include a wikipedia definition that describes the technique that you are attempting to use to confuse your audience - Weasel Words.

"Weasel words is an informal term for words that are ambiguous and not supported by facts. They are typically used to create an illusion of clear, direct communication. Weasel words are usually expressed with deliberate imprecision with the intention to mislead the listeners or readers into believing statements for which sources are not readily available."

Weasel Words include: People say, experience shows, experts say, it is noted that, it has been shown that, it was decided by the development community, et cetera.

Try to understand that your audience is at least as smart as you are. Deliberate imprecision isn't going to trick anyone.

[MicroGuy]

According to my sources a vast majority of experts in this field are highly opposed to investing in the .TEL extension. This has been proven time and time again. IMO.

[liming]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

According to my sources a vast majority of experts in this field are highly opposed to investing in the .TEL extension. This has been proven time and time again. IMO.

Oh,ba lala,
Experts say no, I say yes!

What a great investment chance for the person like me owning stupid but wise brain.
In the past decade,I made very high success ratio as an anti-experts speculator.

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

I'm curious about where this quote is being pulled from, I'm not sure any Telsters make this claim, if so I'd like to know where this was said.

Statements to the effect of "Why develop a .com when .tel does what I need?" have been made many times in this thread alone. They generally come from people attempting to bend .tel far beyond it's intended use into something where the .tel profile itself is the core of the business.

Originally Posted by FreakySteve

And the fact is that this will speed up .tel communications as well. .tel domains benefit from improvements in cell phone access and speed, these things do not take away from the lean efficient nature of .tel based data and how it is retrieved.

The selling point in this area is that .com is very slow on mobile devices. It's not really about .tel's speed. It's .com's lack of speed. Do you see anyone pumping .tel's quickness in use on desktops? No. Because .com's speed is now perfectly acceptable on that platform.

---------- Post added at 10:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:28 PM ----------

Since the next gathering is called Tel Camp 1, does that mean "Tel Camp 0" in Boston is being swept under the rug since nobody showed up?

[onspec]

*

We're pleased to announce that TelCamp Toronto 1 will be held at the Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) located in the heart of the city at Bloor and Queen's Park.

For detailed information please visit the wiki at: TelCamp - TelCampus

Pre-registrations are starting to pick up with some very interesting attendees. You can check out the list at: attendees.toronto-1.telcamp.tel

Why not plan to attend? There are some very talented people that will be contributing their knowledge and skills that you won't want to miss.

Cheers,

[Acroplex]

As I've stated to a Canadian technology publication covering the .tel event in Toronto:

"A flaw-ridden attempt at creating a virtual contact card that would impress, if only it were 1994. In the days of web 2.0 and interactive social media platforms, .tel comes through as a cheap and kitschy gimmick; then again cheap and kitschy might impress the MySpace users it's purported to be targeting."

[Ader]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

According to my sources a vast majority of experts in this field are highly opposed to investing in the .TEL extension. This has been proven time and time again. IMO.

No offence microguy, but many successful inventors/investors prefer to observe the masses (think "experts", "tradition", "accepted practice" "proven" etc), and do the opposite.
Sometimes they do quite well.

[ecigs.net]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

According to my sources a vast majority of experts in this field are highly opposed to investing in the .TEL extension. This has been proven time and time again. IMO.

The terms "my sources" and "vast majority" are too vague to prove anything. An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges, "If many believe so, it is so." (from Wikipedia).

A vast majority of educated people on Earth believed the Sun revolved around the Earth until they were proved wrong by Mikolaj Kopernik. Just because everybody believes something to be true, it does not make it so.

Besides that, since you bid $210 for Alaska.tel, even you don't believe these people. Why should anyone else?

ALASKA.TEL

Estimated end time: 0 day 11 hours 28 min.
(Aug/11/09 05:34 AM EST)
Current Bid:
950 USD
Reserve met!
Bidding History (34 Bids)

From the sale of Alaska.tel, we can conclude that at this moment in time, NewYork.tel, California.tel, Texas.tel and Florida.tel are worth at least $950 each. They all have much larger populations than Alaska.

[saucey]

Time to make some cash!!

RingRevenue™ - News & Events - CJ Pay-Per-Call Webinar Draws Big Crowd

Saucey

[mis_chiff]

Originally Posted by saucey

Time to make some cash!! RingRevenue™ - News & Events - CJ Pay-Per-Call Webinar Draws Big Crowd Saucey

How do you incorporate the CJ Paypercall on your .tel?
Anyone tried yet, I haven't had a chance to look at it.