[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by gkjunior

Most posts are about the potential possibilities and the domainers here understand potential meaning we don’t know. On the other hand you post as if you KNOW and we all know that no one knows so stop posting as if you know, because it does not make you look good at all.

It's not too difficult to look ahead about 5 years and come up with accurate generalizations. Think back to 2004. Everything here in 2009 was on the radar. Nothing about .tel is on the 5 year radar.

The most valuable .tel speculation is that it will become an accepted alternative to dialing phone numbers just like domain names masked IP addresses.

Phone numbers are controlled directly by governments or though organizations funded by them using a standardized set of rules similar to how the US appointed ICANN to oversee domain names. One might hope that they would do the same for Telnic, but let's not forget that InterNIC (owned by NetSol and AT&T) controlled domains until 1998 when the US government oversaw the creation of ICANN and stripped InterNIC of it's power.

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Telnic is more similar to InterNIC than ICANN. If keyword style phone numbers are going to take off, an organization using standards that all phone companies follow will have to be set up. "The Man" will not allow Telnic, a private entity like InterNIC was, to grab this kind of power.

[plaggypig]

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

It's not too difficult to look ahead about 5 years and come up with accurate generalizations. Think back to 2004. Everything here in 2009 was on the radar. Nothing about .tel is on the 5 year radar.

Well let's see, .tel was conceived in 2000 and by 2004 a proof of concept had been developed in partnership with *cough* Siemens. Your radar is borked.
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I see no issue scaling up to tens/hundreds of millions of names in the .tel namespace. Aren't there about 90 million .com's now? Telnic is regulated by ICANN, but whether or not these responsibilities eventually fall under some kind of international governance is up for debate.

Stop flailing around in excuses and conspiracy theories. "The Man" is not going to deprive you of your .tel names. From dubdubdubdot's cold dead hands!

[DubDubDubDot]

Originally Posted by plaggypig

Well let's see, .tel was conceived in 2000 and by 2004 a proof of concept had been developed in partnership with *cough* Siemens. Your radar is borked.

I'm talking about how it's pretty clear about 5 years in advance what has a shot at being really big and what doesn't (but not necessarily by who, that is very difficult to pinpoint).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

I forgot who said it in here first, but .tel is either going to be big or a big flop. I agree with that.

If generally what you see is what you get, .tel was DOA in terms of domaining.

If... IF... it catches on as a phone number alternative, then it's obviously huge for domainers. But the thing is, this may or may not be in motion by Telnic, may or may not have interest with cell companies and may or may not have interest with the general public. Seems like with that many questions your money is better invested in certain beaten down stocks given how long .tel will take to pay off, if at all.

Originally Posted by plaggypig

I see no issue scaling up to tens/hundreds of millions of names in the .tel namespace. Aren't there about 90 million .com's now?

How is .tel going to scale up to hundreds of millions when .com could not scale without a severe loss of quality and the need for added extensions?

I'm guesstimating that about 95% of .com's are not developed and never will be because the domains are so undesirable. Take Alexa rankings for instance. Once you get up to 1 million we're talking garbage sites, and that is all TLD's. Yet .tel alone is going to handle everyone with a cellphone, a MUCH LARGER demand than developers? I am extremely skeptical of this. There would have to be other .tel-like extensions, but that is extreme speculation and looking more than a decade down the road.

[plaggypig]

I agree there hasn't been much media coverage compared to something like .mobi, and I know that some of the more prominent people in the domaining industry don't quite know yet whether to embrace it or not - everybody is waiting for signals to tell them what to do. The 'first come first serve' principle of the landrush phase also guaranteed a slow start in terms of an aftermarket, but that's ultimately to the advantage of everybody.
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On your second point, carriers could use their own namespaces, e.g. dubdubdubdot.att.tel. But I also think you generally underestimate the breadth of possibility that language affords us. Just look at the number of Hotmail/Yahoo Mail/Gmail accounts out there - hundreds of millions in each. Then consider .tel will eventually support IDNs. And finally there is some builtin capacity for expansion, i.e. 2 letter names have been reserved which could theoretically be used to delegate country codes.

Anyway, it's good to see you at least entertaining the possibilities.

[virtualwords]

Yes I agree with that.

DubDubDubDot it is nice to see that there was some maybes and some positive thoughts in your post.

Gav

[hakita]

Hi All,

.tel is great and easy to manage, but i just can't figure out how to 301 redirect between several .tel
Example: i want to change from myold.tel to mynew.tel with a 301 redirect. how to do so ?

Just set up depannage.tel ( troubleshooting/maintenance in english ) with phone contact of technical guy around Paris

Best regards

[FrenchTel]

This is not possible Hakita, as DNS doesn't redirect anything.

Henri Asseily answered this question (in French) on ToutPointTel's Forums, here.

Best,

[FreakySteve]

Originally Posted by onspec

* ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 TelCamp Toronto 1 Announced. We've decided to bite the bullet and announce that we are preparing to host Canada's first TelCamp. The tentative date is August 15, 2009 at a downtown location to be announced shortly. If you'd like to present, recommend topics for discussion or even contribute to help defray some of the costs, we'd love to hear from you. All comments, updates etc should be posted here on Telsters and at the TelCamp website located here at: TelCamp - TelCampus Cheers, TelTrio

Hosting this event on the tail of a domaining conference is a sure way to get a decent attendance.

I will be there and am looking forward to chatting with fellow Telsters (and maybe some .tel haters )

[onspec]

Heyo,

Great to see lots of folks pitching in to help kick-start TelCamp Toronto 1. The "agenda" is taking shape nicely - although I use the term agenda loosely.

We have several confirmations of attendance from people in real estate and mainstream web design and development and even a few corporate glitterati are sniffing at the edges.

The first 50 people to sign up (and show up) will be pleasantly surprised.

Come on Toronto and area NamePros. A lot of people from across the country and internationally are looking at this event that will set the TelCamp benchmark. I know that you're more than up for the challenge!
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Go to TelCamp - TelCampus and sign up.

Select email invitations and our first press release will be going out today.

Cheers,

[zoogo]

I like that .tel is advertising..

I liked the .tel commercial where the man wrote his .tel on the train and the othe guy wrote his phone number, but it doesn't work like that.

The truth is, .tel is nothing more thna a pipe dream because it is so limited. I can setup a .com to do the exact same thing, with a better template.

I like the extension, and I think deep down the .tel domainers are only keeping/investing because they hope TelNIC will one day remove the restriction.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

As was said earlier, this is the 21st century, things that limit us are out of style.

So let's presume the wild fantasies of the domainers here on this thread are correct.

Someone tells me their phone number, 991-911-9911, on the spot, number for number, as I type it into my phone, add their name and press 'Save'.

Someone tells me their .tel domain, I have to go on the internet, waste my data plan bandwidth, or wait till I get home, transfer the number from there, and their name, and what if they don't have their name on their page! Or, what if they have multiple phone numbers? How do I know which one they want me to call? Or do I call all of the numbers?

They are adding extra steps and complicating this whole process of contacting someone.

The truth is that the world of communication does not work in the way that .tel wants it to.

The only hope for this TLD is if they remove their silly 'we control everyone and everything bid for world domination' limitation on the DNS and allow the great TLD that it is (in so far as the spelling of the extension) to flourish.

[hullswingerscom]

very good post nudu...i have superbook on my iphone but not do i use it no.. i do use contacts we humans are creatures of habbit...tel was ok for bit fun but thats all.

[Ader]

To quote Nudu above;
Someone tells me their .tel domain, I have to go on the internet, waste my data plan bandwidth, or wait till I get home, transfer the number from there, and their name, and what if they don't have their name on their page! Or, what if they have multiple phone numbers? How do I know which one they want me to call? Or do I call all of the numbers?

Nudu,
Do you not know internet access is free already for mobile users already on many mobile plans, in Europe at least? Give it two to three years time. All over the place. Mobile internet. Dot Tel - low bandwidth. Fast.

[onspec]

Hmmmm... are sure it's those guys going to TelCamp?

Nah. Can't be.

Cheers,

[plaggypig]

Here's a video (from last year) I hadn't seen before; John Demco being interviewed on Canadian television about the early days of the net, and .tel

nudu:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820

* What kind of phone do you have? Applications like the iPhone Superbook will seep across onto other devices in time,
* DNS queries have an extremely light payload AND they're way faster than full blown HTTP requests,
* You can provide labels for different pieces of contact information - I have a couple of mobile numbers and a private home number for friends. You can also do a lot with profiles,
* Just as Google is not about to switch from selling advertising to ice cream, the purpose of .tel is not going to change. There are hundreds of other TLDs you can use for websites.

[MicroGuy]

Originally Posted by nudu

The only hope for this TLD is if they remove their silly 'we control everyone and everything bid for world domination' limitation on the DNS and allow the great TLD that it is (in so far as the spelling of the extension) to flourish.

The ONLY HOPE. You are correct sir.

[FrenchTel]

Originally Posted by nudu

I like that .tel is advertising.. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820 [...] The truth is, .tel is nothing more thna a pipe dream because it is so limited. I can setup a .com to do the exact same thing, with a better template. I like the extension, and I think deep down the .tel domainers are only keeping/investing because they hope TelNIC will one day remove the restriction. As was said earlier, this is the 21st century, things that limit us are out of style. So let's presume the wild fantasies of the domainers here on this thread are correct. Someone tells me their phone number, 991-911-9911, on the spot, number for number, as I type it into my phone, add their name and press 'Save'. Someone tells me their .tel domain, I have to go on the internet, waste my data plan bandwidth, or wait till I get home, transfer the number from there, and their name, and what if they don't have their name on their page! Or, what if they have multiple phone numbers? How do I know which one they want me to call? Or do I call all of the numbers? They are adding extra steps and complicating this whole process of contacting someone. The truth is that the world of communication does not work in the way that .tel wants it to. The only hope for this TLD is if they remove their silly 'we control everyone and everything bid for world domination' limitation on the DNS and allow the great TLD that it is (in so far as the spelling of the extension) to flourish.

It is soooo boring to read the same BS about .tel over and over again and extremely frustrating being French and not mastering English enough to write long, documented replies to .tel nay-sayers ...

Hopefully, Henri Asseily (Telnic CTO) wrote an insightful article titled "Restrictions as a positive enabler" that says everything I would have liked to say, and better than I would have been able to ...

[virtualwords]

As I said before all these guys who keep coming back to this thread being really negative about the .tel likes it really otherwise they would just forget about it and get on with something else that is more constructive.

The only problem is as you say FrenchTel is was ok the first time reading all there negative thoughts but it becoming very boring and repetitive.

Regards

Gav

[mwzd]

Originally Posted by DNJournal

"If you read TechCrunch any time they have a post concerning domains, read the comments and you will see what I mean - people hate domainers. Although all of them wished they registered sex.com back in the day and sold it for $12 million they hate you for having the foresight. This mentality is not exclusive to domainers. Human nature is highly jealous of success." "Somewhere along the way we went from a society who looked at success stories and used them as inspiration to create their own, to one that looks at successful people and eagerly awaits and looks forward to their fall. If you could get the honest answer of the American population, almost all would say they admire Donald Trump, almost all would love to be like him, enjoy the success he has, but almost all would say they would be happy if he lost it all." "Everyone would love to have 100 great domains they could have registered in 1995. Everyone wants to have what Frank has. But 99.9% of the general population missed the boat and now they’re pissed off at the one’s who got onboard, who thought of it first, who beat them to the punch." Michael Berkens - The Untold Story Behind The Best Kept Secret in the Domain Business

Don't bother with naysayers, they abound, specially tld bashers whose only hope for their investment is to put down other tlds, not that it helps them at all tbh, the cream WILL rise to the top.

Use your own intelligence and invest in what you think will give you a return, irrespective what anyone else says. Don't also get taken in by people who say the tld guarantees the return, it doesn't, its the keywords.

I would recommend being realistic with your investments and your ability to renew said investments long enough to get a decent return, thats about it.

[hasseily]

Originally Posted by Ader

Someone tells me their .tel domain, I have to go on the internet, waste my data plan bandwidth, or wait till I get home, transfer the number from there, and their name, and what if they don't have their name on their page! Or, what if they have multiple phone numbers? How do I know which one they want me to call? Or do I call all of the numbers?

You don't do any of that. Someone tells you their .tel domain, you enter it in your addressbook as a url. Later on if you want to call them, you click on the url, click the first phone number and talk. And if you want to store that info for later use, just click on the vcard link.
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(and if you've got a native .tel app on a mobile, you can have much more in-depth addressbook integration).
People with multiple phone numbers on their .tel miss the value of the .tel: to tell others which number to use at this time. Since .tel is so easy to update, never have more than one entry of the same type of contact info in your .tel. For example, I don't put my US and Europe mobiles on my .tel at the same time. I have different profiles that I activate based on my location, and only show one.

In the end, when someone gives you his .tel, you're guaranteed to have up-to-date contact info when you want to contact that person.

[Ader]

Sorry Henri. That first paragraph on my post was quoted from Nudu above. I was disagreeing with it completely. Please don't take me for a naysayer. They make me very bored.

---------- Post added at 08:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 AM ----------

Here is an article well worth reading for anyone interested in .tel;
Tel domain name registrars - registry domain name website tel
Thanks to Justin Hayward for pointing it out on Twitter

[steveteva]

Featured on DNjournal (Ron Jackson) the telcamp, this is a great news because many domainers are reading his article and this can boost .tel promotion.

Local Directory Services Provider Local Matters Helps Put America.us on the Map

[lewisrx]

Originally Posted by steveteva

Featured on DNjournal (Ron Jackson) the telcamp, this is a great news because many domainers are reading his article and this can boost .tel promotion. Local Directory Services Provider Local Matters Helps Put America.us on the Map

I have read this article,yeah,it is so great news for .tel, but america.us have so many functions ,do you think that .tel can do it ? I like .tel ,but it's functions is so simple.

[Jawed]

I’m sorry if folks already know this. BT is actively promoting .tel in the UK.

[FreakySteve]

Originally Posted by Jawed

I’m sorry if folks already know this. BT is actively promoting .tel in the UK.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=561820
HUGE news for .tel peeps!

Another step closer

[plaggypig]

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