PROBLEM with auction of ElectricLawnmowers.info

MediaHound · 10-22-2009, 03:06 PM

Sahar made a post today on his blog regarding the current situation with people asking for votes and promising votes in return. The post is here:
Quick Note: Vote Fraud On Bido at Conceptualist.com, By Sahar Sarid
I'll be following up on the topic with a statement tomorrow. We realize this has become an issue and are taking measures.

cmason · 10-22-2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by MediaHound

Sahar made a post today on his blog regarding the current situation with people asking for votes and promising votes in return. The post is here:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/560553-bido-com-social-auction-platform-official.html
Quick Note: Vote Fraud On Bido at Conceptualist.com, By Sahar Sarid
I'll be following up on the topic with a statement tomorrow. We realize this has become an issue and are taking measures.

Looks forward to hearing more tomorrow! After receiving an unsolicited email today, from someone I don't know, I was a little frustrated. I try to place a few dozen votes a day, on domains that I feel are of saleable quality, but when someone dumps a bunch of similar crappy names it kills my motivation to go through the list. I know there is the CSV, but there really isn't TOO much motivation for me to go that deep.

Personally, if the (acc) notifier for accelerated auctions was removed, I think more people would start to pay for acceleration, which might not increase quality, but would nicely line the pockets of Bido and allow for better features in the future.

MediaHound · 10-22-2009, 03:11 PM

Thanks Cole, its a work in progress, that (acc) flag is being reviewed.

**Archangel** · 10-22-2009, 04:03 PM

I don't support vote swapping etc but what if it's a good domain that the owner simply wants to draw attention to? ABC.com would never even see auction if no one could find it in the thousands of junk domains on vote at any given minute. The best thing BIDO can do is make a section that'll only list staff picks or fix the search to display staff picks first... or does it already? NP would be helpful if they made a BIDO forum -- to SHOWCASE domains, not to encourage vote swapping.

jlw · 10-22-2009, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Garrett-Bido

Today's list of upcoming auctions on Bido

...
electriclawnmowers.info
...
all on Bido today.

How is it possible for Bido to auction that domain when there is already an auction in progress for it elsewhere, bids have been accepted there!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553
Here's the auction thread for it that's already going on:

EncryptEmails.info, PokerTools + more. Ends 4th Nov at 17:00EDT - DNForum - Domain Sales, Domain Forum, Domain Appraisals, Domain Registrars

--- Jordan

cmason · 10-22-2009, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by jlw

How is it possible for Bido to auction that domain when there is already an auction in progress for it elsewhere, bids have been accepted there!

Here's the auction thread for it that's already going on:

EncryptEmails.info, PokerTools + more. Ends 4th Nov at 17:00EDT - DNForum - Domain Sales, Domain Forum, Domain Appraisals, Domain Registrars

--- Jordan

Interesting...I would also like to hear more from Bido with regards to the sale of domains that are still under the exclusive contract with Bido. I have noticed quite a few domains for sale that were not successful at Bido. Personally, I don't think it should be a problem, but I am pretty conscious about selling honouring the exclusivity agreement and I want to know if I really need to so concerned.

spammy01 · 10-23-2009, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by jlw

How is it possible for Bido to auction that domain when there is already an auction in progress for it elsewhere, bids have been accepted there!

Here's the auction thread for it that's already going on:

EncryptEmails.info, PokerTools + more. Ends 4th Nov at 17:00EDT - DNForum - Domain Sales, Domain Forum, Domain Appraisals, Domain Registrars

--- Jordan

Hi Jordan,

It didn't sell on Bido, so it was then posted by me in the $1 auctions because it may be worth a few dollars to someone. It was posted on the same night, after the auction had finished and not during (please check the timestamp and timezones).

Cmason: I would also like to hear some clarification from Bido. I would think, if they fail to sell your domain and all efforts to sell it have stopped once the end of the auction expires, then you are no longer of any use to each other. I see nothing in the contract that says otherwise and even if there was, it would not be worth the paper its printed on in court. They really need to clarify this as I have seen a number of people very confused now. An email has been sent for clarification on this important question.

cmason · 10-23-2009, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by spammy01

Cmason: I would also like to hear some clarification from Bido. I would think, if they fail to sell your domain and all efforts to sell it have stopped once the end of the auction expires, then you are no longer of any use to each other. I see nothing in the contract that says otherwise and even if there was, it would not be worth the paper its printed on in court. They really need to clarify this as I have seen a number of people very confused now. An email has been sent for clarification on this important question.

I agree 100% with you spammy, I look forward to hearing more from Bido. This is the term that deals with the exclusivity, but it is slightly convoluted. Other sites, such as Snapname and Pool have similar terms, but I think that when the auction concludes on those sites, the domain is "free".
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

Quote:

TERM OF THE AGREEMENT: Seller grants Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Name(s) for one hundred and twenty (120) calendar days from the date of submitting/declaring one of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA to this Agreement or sixty (60) days from the conclusion of any auction or private sale taking place after the submission/declaring of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA, whichever occurs later (the "Exclusive Sale Period"). The ADDENDA to this Agreement shall consist of, but are not limited to, those items submitted by Seller for selection and acceptance by Buyer/Seller Agent to secure purchasers. This exclusive right and authority to sell period will automatically renew at the end of each term unless Buyer/Seller Agent is notified by Seller in writing within 15 days of expiration that Seller is terminating the Agreement.

MediaHound · 10-23-2009, 08:08 AM

We're reviewing the exclusivity clause and will get back with a final word on it. The main purpose it's there is so people do not circumvent Bido when Bido was the facilitator of a transaction. This is standard brokerage verbiage that was used in the contract, however we are reviewing it. Bido has changed a lot since we wrote the terms and started doing business; auction formats changed, volume changed, etc. Therefore we're reviewing this clause and will update our terms if necessary. Thanks for your patience and for bringing it to our attention.

Garrett-Bido · 10-23-2009, 08:15 AM

comic3d.com and comic3d.net package
diamondbrooch.net
europianvacation.com
mobilereview.org
techdeals.info
domainmessageboard.com
protectivegear.info
comedyshows.us
vhql.com
ecq.me
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553
greencreamation.com
watches.cc
weatherinsulation.com
drove.in
smokingjacket.info
academiccourse.com
illinoisforum.net
ogyd.com
mentalconditioning.info
laon.me
perfectlawns.info
prospected.com
comedyzone.info
mayonaisse.info
surburbanhomes.net
newyorkweekend.info
fullypowered.com
googleuniverse.com
ofr.me
naturalcauses.info
cricketmatches.info
linguisticinterpreter.com
loanoffers.info
cocoabeachrentals.us
waterpurity.us
skl.biz
lotterygame.info
complacency.info
importedsalami.com
payhire.com
compareairfare.info
annuityfund.us
visittampa.info
allergyfacts.info
fruitbasket.in
culinaryforum.org
inventionforum.org
akcmastiff.com
wpu.in
builderconstructionloans.com
played.it
nawla.com
ern.info
homeowners.cc

all on Bido today.

To view and bid on any of these auctions, visit http://www.bido.com

Played.it is a RESERVE auction, the remaining are NO RESERVE auctions, bidding starts at $28, so join in right now. Auctions run for ~1 hour (barring extensions).

Hope to see you at the auctions.

spammy01 · 10-23-2009, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by MediaHound

We're reviewing the exclusivity clause and will get back with a final word on it. The main purpose it's there is so people do not circumvent Bido when Bido was the facilitator of a transaction. This is standard brokerage verbiage that was used in the contract, however we are reviewing it. Bido has changed a lot since we wrote the terms and started doing business; auction formats changed, volume changed, etc. Therefore we're reviewing this clause and will update our terms if necessary. Thanks for your patience and for bringing it to our attention.

We have sales with bids and offers elsewhere and now that the subject has arisen, some of us will (and are in my case) get agro, lose money and reputation because people don't understand and withdraw their offers (you know what us domainers are like lol).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

This particular example is not in the contract so I think you can confirm this now and add later?

Edit: I think your basically saying its ok but I just want to see it posted in plain layman terms if you don't mind?

MediaHound · 10-23-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by spammy01

We have sales with bids and offers elsewhere and now that the subject has arisen, some of us will (and are in my case) get agro, lose money and reputation because people don't understand and withdraw their offers (you know what us domainers are like lol).

This particular example is not in the contract so I think you can confirm this now and add later?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

Edit: I think your basically saying its ok but I just want to see it posted in plain layman terms if you don't mind?

Lets discuss personal situations over email or the support desk, please.
Regarding the general topic, we're reviewing this part of our contract and will get back with a final word on it soon.

On another note, as mentioned yesterday, I made a followup today to the vote fraud issue, the post is here:
Vote Fraud On Bido (Part II) at Conceptualist.com

garptrader · 10-23-2009, 01:57 PM

Prior to submission I pull my listings from Afternic and Godaddy as I rarely get offers there but I leave them at SEDO. When I have a scheduled auction I obviously pull the domain from SEDO as well. But I have some 250 domains in the BIDO system. Several have gone through auction with no sale. If I cannot sell those domains elsewhere even when they don't get votes or bids at BIDO then I would basically have to leave BIDO because I am not making money at BIDO. I have had three BIDO sales thus far - two I lost money on and another where the buyer has not yet paid. Now when the guarantee program goes live I'm hopeful things will turn around. As well, BIDO's marketplace is new and just hasn't gained traction. But neither Godaddy, SEDO nor Afternic required listing exclusivity unless a domain is in auction. Rick Latona and Moniker will require exclusivity for their domains but BIDO domains are for now mostly low-end domains so I don't understand the rationale for listing exclusivity (domains in auctions I agree should only be available in one marketplace).

cmason · 10-23-2009, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by garptrader

Prior to submission I pull my listings from Afternic and Godaddy as I rarely get offers there but I leave them at SEDO. When I have a scheduled auction I obviously pull the domain from SEDO as well. But I have some 250 domains in the BIDO system. Several have gone through auction with no sale. If I cannot sell those domains elsewhere even when they don't get votes or bids at BIDO then I would basically have to leave BIDO because I am not making money at BIDO. I have had three BIDO sales thus far - two I lost money on and another where the buyer has not yet paid. Now when the guarantee program goes live I'm hopeful things will turn around. As well, BIDO's marketplace is new and just hasn't gained traction. But neither Godaddy, SEDO nor Afternic required listing exclusivity unless a domain is in auction. Rick Latona and Moniker will require exclusivity for their domains but BIDO domains are for now mostly low-end domains so I don't understand the rationale for listing exclusivity (domains in auctions I agree should only be available in one marketplace).

Well said! I am glad to hear that the Bido staff will be addressing this soon, but I find myself scrambling to remove my domains from all of the other marketplaces once I submit for votes.

spammy01 · 10-23-2009, 02:57 PM

To avoid confusion, I just wanted someone from Bido to tell me if the contract still applied after the domain has been through auction and did not sell.......nothing more!

I am 100% sure that is fine to do what you want with your domain after a 'No Auction Sell' as it does not make sense otherwise (we no longer have any need for each other), its just that one person got confused and tried to tell me I couldn't sell the domain because it went through auction the day before (not related to lawnmower post above btw). I was finding myself getting angry with this person and not Bido. Now I have calmed down, I see my previous posts seem to appear negative towards Bido when the reality is that I am very pleased with my experience so far. I am sure in the near future, I will be able to point such an annoying person towards the reviewed and updated contract or a note in the FAQ that will make this 'Domain After Auction' fact clear for everyone.

On a positive note, I've been trying Bido out for the last few weeks now with a few of my domains and have had 15 successful sales which I have been very happy with. The buyers and Bido have paid promptly (within 2-4 days of sale) with no issues. I have also made several good purchases and a few have already made me some profit.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

Some days can be slow but I am detemined to stick with it, keep experimenting and hopefully grow my sales and increase/improve my domain submissons as Bido grows over the coming months.

italiandragon · 10-24-2009, 09:12 AM

hi guys, sorry if my question sounds silly but I have been out of the industry for personal problems for the past 14 months and I`m trying to get back so I had a look at Bido and was surprised to see quite low quality domains there...WHAT HAPPENED? I remember at the beginning last year they had great names.

Thanks

sdsinc · 10-24-2009, 09:32 AM

Put simply Bido has an audience of domainers and has become the clearing house for unwanted domains. Hence the lack of overall quality.I also think that the 'peer vote' concept is flawed. Plus, the obvious TM domains are a disgrace. I don't bother checking there unless they review their business model.

italiandragon · 10-24-2009, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by sdsinc

Put simply Bido has an audience of domainers and has become the clearing house for unwanted domains. Hence the lack of overall quality.I also think that the 'peer vote' concept is flawed. Plus, the obvious TM domains are a disgrace. I don't bother checking there unless they review their business model.

Thank you

cmason · 10-24-2009, 09:43 AM

Bido does have those occasional $250+ sales (even a few $1000+ recently), but it is necessary to filter through many domains that will not achieve the $28 minimum.

garptrader · 10-24-2009, 11:38 AM

Given that the limited number of buyers at BIDO are domainers, concerns over vote fraud, the limited number of individuals actively voting and criticism over low-quality domains in auction, it might be worth considering limiting auctions to those with $28 minimum bids (members could solicit minimum bids but non-paying bidders could not continue to send domains to auction with bids) or those choosing acceleration. By default, if someone is willing to pay money to send a domain to auction (via an acceleration fee or a $28 bid), the average quality of BIDO auctions would be much higher than it is today. Domainers could still scan the submission database like they might do at Namejet or Snapnames and submit a bid/backorder.

If a BIN price were introduced, domainers spotting a nice domain with a bargain BIN could potentially be rewarded by avoiding a bidding war at auction. When announcing upcoming auctions, the list would be shorter but of higher quality and thus those seeing the daily lists would have a more favorable impression of BIDO's marketplace. This would also save time for members because members would no longer be concerned about obtaining votes, preparing writeups, searching for videos and announcing/marketing upcoming auctions which in the end result in no sale. Filtering tools which have been introduced would make it easier to find domains worth bidding on. Also, domainer members could spend their time looking for bargain domains in the system rather than voting on domains which in many cases either never go to auction or never sell.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

Under such a system, I would suggest that members be able to place a reserve at any price from $5 to $5000 with no reserve charge because by default the domain would only go to auction if there were a willing buyer at the stated reserve. With no reserve fee, higher quality domains could be introduced into BIDO's marketplace without the risk of selling at an undesirable price point.

Makis.TV · 10-24-2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

hi guys, sorry if my question sounds silly but I have been out of the industry for personal problems for the past 14 months and I`m trying to get back so I had a look at Bido and was surprised to see quite low quality domains there...WHAT HAPPENED? I remember at the beginning last year they had great names.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

Thanks

i have the same concern as well
bido changed a lot from last year and that made me less interested into buying than selling

Carlton · 10-24-2009, 05:03 PM

I think Bido did a great thing opening up submissions to include cctld's and other top level domains in addition to .com. It seems the problem is the gradual lowering of the bar to include lower quality keywords and phrases. Of course, I feel this way about ALL of the auction places including the LIVE conference auctions, plus Snapnames, Namejet, etc.

Generally speaking, a quality marketplace with the chance for special appeal and upward trajectory is ultimately compromised (and sometimes severely so) by listing droves of poor quality domains.

The best example I can think of is having a Mercedes Benz or Ferrari dealership, but the few most beautiful & exotic cars are hidden away at the very back of the lot ... while old used cars and a junkyard of clunkers take up the entire front part of the lot where people drive in. That is not the Christie's or Sotheby's image of quality that can set a domain marketplace apart from the rest. Bido have a great, great opportunity to be something very unique. Just hope they'll reconsider the inventory they choose to carry.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

I think too building in some industry specific categories like real estate domains, etc. could create niche interest.

daj · 10-24-2009, 05:09 PM

I think the main problem is that Bido allows listed domains 30 days to get only 5 votes which is why there are so many domains to go through. I think the time to get 5 votes should be shrunk down to 7 days, and all domains that don't get enough votes within that time period should be purged from the system.

**Archangel** · 10-24-2009, 05:43 PM

I still believe only experts should be able to vote. Add your 7-day idea and I think we'd see a vast shortage of crappy domains in here & a few really good oes. I'd rather see 3 good domains auctioned daily opposed to 20 bad ones.

Originally Posted by daj

I think the main problem is that Bido allows listed domains 30 days to get only 5 votes which is why there are so many domains to go through. I think the time to get 5 votes should be shrunk down to 7 days, and all domains that don't get enough votes within that time period should be purged from the system.

jlw · 10-25-2009, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by spammy01

It didn't sell on Bido, so it was then posted by me in the $1 auctions because it may be worth a few dollars to someone. It was posted on the same night, after the auction had finished and not during (please check the timestamp and timezones).

I see what happened now. First I bid on the domain in your auction thread. Later on, in the wee hours of the next morning, I got the email from the Bido thread saying the domain was going to be auctioned today. But that was the daily digest of the Bido thread! So its contents were actually posted on the Bido thread the preceding day. "...two auctions crossing in the night..."

10-22-2009, 03:06 PM	#1176 (permalink)
MediaHound NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 556	Sahar made a post today on his blog regarding the current situation with people asking for votes and promising votes in return. The post is here: Quick Note: Vote Fraud On Bido at Conceptualist.com, By Sahar Sarid I'll be following up on the topic with a statement tomorrow. We realize this has become an issue and are taking measures. __________________ http://www.bido.com http://www.bido.com/VoteForProfits http://www.bido.com/SubmitDomains

10-22-2009, 03:11 PM	#1178 (permalink)
MediaHound NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 556	Thanks Cole, its a work in progress, that (acc) flag is being reviewed. __________________ http://www.bido.com http://www.bido.com/VoteForProfits http://www.bido.com/SubmitDomains

10-23-2009, 08:08 AM	#1184 (permalink)
MediaHound NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 556	We're reviewing the exclusivity clause and will get back with a final word on it. The main purpose it's there is so people do not circumvent Bido when Bido was the facilitator of a transaction. This is standard brokerage verbiage that was used in the contract, however we are reviewing it. Bido has changed a lot since we wrote the terms and started doing business; auction formats changed, volume changed, etc. Therefore we're reviewing this clause and will update our terms if necessary. Thanks for your patience and for bringing it to our attention. __________________ http://www.bido.com http://www.bido.com/VoteForProfits http://www.bido.com/SubmitDomains

10-23-2009, 08:15 AM	#1185 (permalink)
Garrett-Bido NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 272	Today's list of upcoming auctions on Bido comic3d.com and comic3d.net package diamondbrooch.net europianvacation.com mobilereview.org techdeals.info domainmessageboard.com protectivegear.info comedyshows.us vhql.com ecq.me ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553 greencreamation.com watches.cc weatherinsulation.com drove.in smokingjacket.info academiccourse.com illinoisforum.net ogyd.com mentalconditioning.info laon.me perfectlawns.info prospected.com comedyzone.info mayonaisse.info surburbanhomes.net newyorkweekend.info fullypowered.com googleuniverse.com ofr.me naturalcauses.info cricketmatches.info linguisticinterpreter.com loanoffers.info cocoabeachrentals.us waterpurity.us skl.biz lotterygame.info complacency.info importedsalami.com payhire.com compareairfare.info annuityfund.us visittampa.info allergyfacts.info fruitbasket.in culinaryforum.org inventionforum.org akcmastiff.com wpu.in builderconstructionloans.com played.it nawla.com ern.info homeowners.cc all on Bido today. To view and bid on any of these auctions, visit http://www.bido.com Played.it is a RESERVE auction, the remaining are NO RESERVE auctions, bidding starts at $28, so join in right now. Auctions run for ~1 hour (barring extensions). Hope to see you at the auctions. __________________ http://www.bido.com http://support.bido.com

10-23-2009, 01:57 PM	#1188 (permalink)
garptrader NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 855	Prior to submission I pull my listings from Afternic and Godaddy as I rarely get offers there but I leave them at SEDO. When I have a scheduled auction I obviously pull the domain from SEDO as well. But I have some 250 domains in the BIDO system. Several have gone through auction with no sale. If I cannot sell those domains elsewhere even when they don't get votes or bids at BIDO then I would basically have to leave BIDO because I am not making money at BIDO. I have had three BIDO sales thus far - two I lost money on and another where the buyer has not yet paid. Now when the guarantee program goes live I'm hopeful things will turn around. As well, BIDO's marketplace is new and just hasn't gained traction. But neither Godaddy, SEDO nor Afternic required listing exclusivity unless a domain is in auction. Rick Latona and Moniker will require exclusivity for their domains but BIDO domains are for now mostly low-end domains so I don't understand the rationale for listing exclusivity (domains in auctions I agree should only be available in one marketplace). __________________ http://www.genericdomains.net/ http://www.dominericos.com/ http://www.premiumdomains.tv/

10-22-2009, 04:03 PM	#1179 (permalink)
Archangel www.randypendleton.com Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southern Ohio, USA Posts: 7,045	I don't support vote swapping etc but what if it's a good domain that the owner simply wants to draw attention to? ABC.com would never even see auction if no one could find it in the thousands of junk domains on vote at any given minute. The best thing BIDO can do is make a section that'll only list staff picks or fix the search to display staff picks first... or does it already? NP would be helpful if they made a BIDO forum -- to SHOWCASE domains, not to encourage vote swapping.

10-23-2009, 02:57 PM	#1190 (permalink)
spammy01 NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 406	To avoid confusion, I just wanted someone from Bido to tell me if the contract still applied after the domain has been through auction and did not sell.......nothing more! I am 100% sure that is fine to do what you want with your domain after a 'No Auction Sell' as it does not make sense otherwise (we no longer have any need for each other), its just that one person got confused and tried to tell me I couldn't sell the domain because it went through auction the day before (not related to lawnmower post above btw). I was finding myself getting angry with this person and not Bido. Now I have calmed down, I see my previous posts seem to appear negative towards Bido when the reality is that I am very pleased with my experience so far. I am sure in the near future, I will be able to point such an annoying person towards the reviewed and updated contract or a note in the FAQ that will make this 'Domain After Auction' fact clear for everyone. On a positive note, I've been trying Bido out for the last few weeks now with a few of my domains and have had 15 successful sales which I have been very happy with. The buyers and Bido have paid promptly (within 2-4 days of sale) with no issues. I have also made several good purchases and a few have already made me some profit. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553 Some days can be slow but I am detemined to stick with it, keep experimenting and hopefully grow my sales and increase/improve my domain submissons as Bido grows over the coming months. Last edited by spammy01; 10-23-2009 at 03:24 PM.

10-24-2009, 09:12 AM	#1191 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 6,438	hi guys, sorry if my question sounds silly but I have been out of the industry for personal problems for the past 14 months and I`m trying to get back so I had a look at Bido and was surprised to see quite low quality domains there...WHAT HAPPENED? I remember at the beginning last year they had great names. Thanks __________________ www.MMCP.com www.decretoingiuntivo.net www.ipotecalegale.info www.swishersweetslittlecigars.com

10-24-2009, 09:32 AM	#1192 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,558	Put simply Bido has an audience of domainers and has become the clearing house for unwanted domains. Hence the lack of overall quality.I also think that the 'peer vote' concept is flawed. Plus, the obvious TM domains are a disgrace. I don't bother checking there unless they review their business model. __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists

10-24-2009, 09:43 AM	#1194 (permalink)
cmason Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,282 Follow @ColeMason	Bido does have those occasional $250+ sales (even a few $1000+ recently), but it is necessary to filter through many domains that will not achieve the $28 minimum.

10-24-2009, 11:38 AM	#1195 (permalink)
garptrader NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 855	Given that the limited number of buyers at BIDO are domainers, concerns over vote fraud, the limited number of individuals actively voting and criticism over low-quality domains in auction, it might be worth considering limiting auctions to those with $28 minimum bids (members could solicit minimum bids but non-paying bidders could not continue to send domains to auction with bids) or those choosing acceleration. By default, if someone is willing to pay money to send a domain to auction (via an acceleration fee or a $28 bid), the average quality of BIDO auctions would be much higher than it is today. Domainers could still scan the submission database like they might do at Namejet or Snapnames and submit a bid/backorder. If a BIN price were introduced, domainers spotting a nice domain with a bargain BIN could potentially be rewarded by avoiding a bidding war at auction. When announcing upcoming auctions, the list would be shorter but of higher quality and thus those seeing the daily lists would have a more favorable impression of BIDO's marketplace. This would also save time for members because members would no longer be concerned about obtaining votes, preparing writeups, searching for videos and announcing/marketing upcoming auctions which in the end result in no sale. Filtering tools which have been introduced would make it easier to find domains worth bidding on. Also, domainer members could spend their time looking for bargain domains in the system rather than voting on domains which in many cases either never go to auction or never sell. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553 Under such a system, I would suggest that members be able to place a reserve at any price from $5 to $5000 with no reserve charge because by default the domain would only go to auction if there were a willing buyer at the stated reserve. With no reserve fee, higher quality domains could be introduced into BIDO's marketplace without the risk of selling at an undesirable price point. __________________ http://www.genericdomains.net/ http://www.dominericos.com/ http://www.premiumdomains.tv/ Last edited by garptrader; 10-24-2009 at 01:21 PM.

10-24-2009, 05:03 PM	#1197 (permalink)
Carlton Internet Real Estate Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,198	I think Bido did a great thing opening up submissions to include cctld's and other top level domains in addition to .com. It seems the problem is the gradual lowering of the bar to include lower quality keywords and phrases. Of course, I feel this way about ALL of the auction places including the LIVE conference auctions, plus Snapnames, Namejet, etc. Generally speaking, a quality marketplace with the chance for special appeal and upward trajectory is ultimately compromised (and sometimes severely so) by listing droves of poor quality domains. The best example I can think of is having a Mercedes Benz or Ferrari dealership, but the few most beautiful & exotic cars are hidden away at the very back of the lot ... while old used cars and a junkyard of clunkers take up the entire front part of the lot where people drive in. That is not the Christie's or Sotheby's image of quality that can set a domain marketplace apart from the rest. Bido have a great, great opportunity to be something very unique. Just hope they'll reconsider the inventory they choose to carry. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553 I think too building in some industry specific categories like real estate domains, etc. could create niche interest. __________________ PremiumDomains.biz -> BLOG \| Charlotte.US \| Manhattan.mobi \| NewYorkCity.biz \| Detroit.US \| Miami.biz \| NorthCarolina.info \| California.biz

10-24-2009, 05:09 PM	#1198 (permalink)
daj Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,092	I think the main problem is that Bido allows listed domains 30 days to get only 5 votes which is why there are so many domains to go through. I think the time to get 5 votes should be shrunk down to 7 days, and all domains that don't get enough votes within that time period should be purged from the system.

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