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Old 09-28-2009, 07:39 PM   #926 (permalink)
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This may have been recommended, but I think there should be a feedback system of some sort for the buyer and seller after the transaction. This will give more motivation for the parties to act in a timely matter imho. Thanks
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As well, it'd give potential buyers a idea of what to expect from a seller nd vice versa.

Oh, the Yom Kippur thing was a joke, dude

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This may have been recommended, but I think there should be a feedback system of some sort for the buyer and seller after the transaction. This will give more motivation for the parties to act in a timely matter imho. Thanks
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Originally Posted by cmason View Post
Wow!! As a buyer I couldn't imagine asking for anything but a push, but to each is his/her own!
Want to buy some names, lol.... I think I made a mistake by registering a bunch of names with a godaddy reseller because it seems like every buyer I get wants to transfer out... kind of a nightmare, but I saved a few hundred dollars over even the lowest godaddy coupons... Maybe I should have been looking at the bigger picture. Anyway, I've noticed that a lot of the international buyers almost always want to transfer... and what's with all the people wanting to transfer to 1and1... I've had regs with them and I wasn't too happy with it, to say the least.

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As well, it'd give potential buyers a idea of what to expect from a seller nd vice versa.

Oh, the Yom Kippur thing was a joke, dude
I'm inclined to like the idea of a feedback system myself, although I think part of the idea may be that by not having one buyers are looking more at the name, rather than the seller. And, since the system is so new, almost all sellers would have a very low number of feedbacks. Psychologically, this could be seen as a negative by potential buyers. I don't think the feedback to a buyer is going to make much difference unless you are going to block bids by buyers who have low feedback... In other words, you might know to expect them to be slow, but what difference is that really going to make?

As to Yom Kippur: I think pretty much everybody realized it was a joke, but Yom Kippur is such an important day for those of the Jewish faith that I believe he had to make some kind of reply and simply giving a link to the definition was among the most deft of the possible methods.

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Bido. I think it's doomed to fail given their current collection policy of just let the buyers pay or not pay when-ever they like. Paying within 10 business days recommended, but 30 is okay. Whatever. There doesn't seem to be any buyer screening or qualifications what-so-ever. Your domains just end up being held hostage while you wait for payment. Very disappointed with this process.
I think that's probably an overly negative outlook given the responsiveness that BIDO has had to our needs. It is true that there are some problems with the process as it stands, but there is no perfect system, no Utopia, just the search for Nirvana. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I believe wholeheartedly that an escrow style system is needed, or at the very least an official stance that pushes should be the default manner of exchange whenever a domain is in a registrar that allows it. Of course, that is going to be seen as a negative by some buyers... but since there is no perfect system and since this would eliminate significantly more problems than it would cause (I would think anyway)... it seems like the way to go. That, of course doesn't have much to do with the case(s) you are referring to, where a buyer simply doesn't ever pay... but what are you honestly asking BIDO to do in such cases. Do you want to cancel the sale completely if the buyer doesn't pay in 10 days? I suppose that that might be the preferred outcome if you didn't get the price you wanted, but I rather imagine that you would want to really try and get the sale through if you got a nice price, even if it took 15 or 20 days or a little more.. I know I would. As to screening; what they're doing now is about is good as it gets for this type of industry. If you do much more, you won't have but a handful of buyers and the prices won't be high enough for it to be worth selling. You could, theoretically, require an authorization for the amount of the bid at the time it is made.. but there you run into the problem of the bidder having to have the money available right at that moment (and all kinds of banking issues, where the bank might have a daily limit, etc.) and you, again, eliminate bidders and lower the sales prices. No matter where you sell; you're going to have bidders that simply don't pay and it is a pain, but one that we as sellers have to deal with and figure into our game plan or we are the ones that will fail.

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Okay, all that other said; I'm still a bit concerned about buyers that have paid, but never take the domain... And buyers that do take the domain, but never notify BIDO...

MediaHound:

You know that I always try to give BIDO the benefit of the doubt and I have said repeatedly that you guys have provided great support. Can you spread a little light on this. How long do we have to wait for on a stalled transaction before we can get paid... or do you cancel the transaction? Obviously, as a seller, I don't want to cancel my transactions unless it is a last ditch effort and it is pretty much impossible for me to simply cancel the transaction on a domain that has been transferred to the new owner already...

I honestly haven't had any buyers who didn't eventually notify BIDO that the transaction was completed after a push. Although I have had to explain to a couple of them that they actually did have the name. But, what is the process if this happens. I know you can't purely go by whois data, because an owner can change that without it being actually transferred. This is definitely a concern of mine as a seller.
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And, as to the buyers who have paid, but never accept the push/transfer... what is BIDO's stance on this? I just escalated a couple of cases that meet this exact condition (and I'm not asking you personally for support on these individual cases; I'm quite sure that your support team will get back to me in a timely manner, as always), but I know there are a lot of us that would like to know what the end process is on this.

I know that in an escrow type system you would still have to deal with these problems and that it would require a heavier workload on your personnel. I also understand that your commissions are actually very low compared to costs and that this might create a burden, but I have to wonder how much time is already being spent on these types of issues by your customer support team and if it might not balance out.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

Thank you again for your responses to me on my previous issues, by the way.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:42 AM   #929 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by desiredname View Post
..I'm still a bit concerned about buyers that have paid, but never take the domain... And buyers that do take the domain, but never notify BIDO...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

MediaHound:

You know that I always try to give BIDO the benefit of the doubt and I have said repeatedly that you guys have provided great support. Can you spread a little light on this. How long do we have to wait for on a stalled transaction before we can get paid... or do you cancel the transaction? Obviously, as a seller, I don't want to cancel my transactions unless it is a last ditch effort and it is pretty much impossible for me to simply cancel the transaction on a domain that has been transferred to the new owner already...

I honestly haven't had any buyers who didn't eventually notify BIDO that the transaction was completed after a push. Although I have had to explain to a couple of them that they actually did have the name. But, what is the process if this happens. I know you can't purely go by whois data, because an owner can change that without it being actually transferred. This is definitely a concern of mine as a seller.

And, as to the buyers who have paid, but never accept the push/transfer... what is BIDO's stance on this? I just escalated a couple of cases that meet this exact condition (and I'm not asking you personally for support on these individual cases; I'm quite sure that your support team will get back to me in a timely manner, as always), but I know there are a lot of us that would like to know what the end process is on this.

I know that in an escrow type system you would still have to deal with these problems and that it would require a heavier workload on your personnel. I also understand that your commissions are actually very low compared to costs and that this might create a burden, but I have to wonder how much time is already being spent on these types of issues by your customer support team and if it might not balance out.

Thank you again for your responses to me on my previous issues, by the way.
We have enhancements coming to the transfer panel that adds functionality that addresses the situations where buyers become unresponsive beyond an acceptable timeframe after they pay for the domain or after they received the domain. These situations, while they happen, are rare. We can address any case of this on a case-by-case basis in the interim. However, the changes to the interface that are coming will also allow us to also make it black and white in our policy as well, and we think sellers will like what is coming. Thanks for the feedback and the kind words, by the way.
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I've seen more and more press and discussion of BIDO in recent months and finally decided to give it a try. The process of ownership confirmation is a little frustrating but perhaps the issue is more of being patient as even SEDO doesn't accept domains sometimes for a 2-3 days. I understand the system of voting is intended to filter for domain quality but on the other hand where do the votes come from without an incentive to vote? Perhaps some system could be implemented whereby for every 5-10 votes made for domains which eventually make it to auction (other voting members have to agree with you so as to discourage random voting to game the system), one could get an autovote for one of your own domains. Or alternatively, for every 5-10 domains submitted, one could receive a self-vote to select the best domain in that group (members know what their best names are). There seems to be an ongoing battle between filtering for domain quality but providing sellers some assurance quality domains aren't given away for peanuts. While I don't advocate going to the limits of Snapnames/Namejet in the $59-$79 range for minimum bids, perhaps a $39 starting bid would be a better starting point (but at least $28 is an improvement from the past). Yes, buyers want a good deal but buyers want quality domains and you need a system which can give sellers an adequate return on their efforts to release domains into the system. IMO $30 is still a bit to ask merely to place a reserve on a domain. But I understand you want to discourage overpricing which is common particularly for newer domainers. Just some random thoughts....
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Perhaps some system could be implemented whereby for every 5-10 votes made for domains which eventually make it to auction (other voting members have to agree with you so as to discourage random voting to game the system), one could get an autovote for one of your own domains.

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I think that's a brilliant idea. Quality would be saved as sellers wouldn't waste their vote on a low quality domain.


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I'll make another recommendation though it is more cosmetic. It would be nice to be able to list domains in the following format (capitalization of the first letter of each word for emphasis)....

QualityDomainName.Tld

Currently domains appear as QUALITYDOMAINNAME.TLD
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:04 AM   #933 (permalink)
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Today's list of upcoming auctions on Bido.


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nybrokerage.com
miracleflame.com
carjournalist.com
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caribbeanweddings.org
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azure.mobi
bppq.com
ambition.mobi
goducati.com
centristview.com

all on Bido today.

To view and bid on any of these auctions, visit http://www.bido.com

goducati.com is a RESERVE auction, the remaining are NO RESERVE auctions, bidding starts at $28, so join in right now. Auctions run for ~1 hour (barring extensions).

There are some Adult auctions as well, please login to your Bido account and enable "Adult Auctions" in your settings.

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Old 09-29-2009, 11:05 AM   #934 (permalink)
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Thanks for the suggestions regarding voting. We'll review and discuss with the team.

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I'll make another recommendation though it is more cosmetic. It would be nice to be able to list domains in the following format (capitalization of the first letter of each word for emphasis)....

QualityDomainName.Tld
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Currently domains appear as QUALITYDOMAINNAME.TLD
We don't allow camel-casing like that but we do allow viewing by "all uppercase" and "all lowercase". This way there is no confusion between certain letters/numbers/symbols, etc - for example:
5/S, 1/I, 0/O, B/8, etc.
Look for the link to view in different casing there in the tab with the list. Thank you for the suggestion, though, we'll review it.
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Another thought occurred to me. While the current format is open to most extensions and there is no restriction per se against foreign-language domains, I have noticed very few foreign-language domains in the BIDO marketplace. Perhaps there would be a way to identify such domains via some sort of a flag (as you do for adult domains). That way individuals interested in acquiring such domains could more easily identify upcoming auctions. However, you might need to go beyond that though because many foreign-language domain sellers and buyers might not feel as comfortable operating in an English format. Note that SEDO does offer their marketplace in multiple languages. I once sold a Spanish domain at Afternic and had to intervene in the sale because the buyer had some difficulty making the payment (Afternic is a purely English marketplace).
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Just signed up today but i keep getting this error:

This error (HTTP 500 Internal Server Error) means that the website you are visiting had a server problem which prevented the webpage from displaying.

Sometimes it lets me get on the homepage but no further. Any help?
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Just signed up today but i keep getting this error:
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This error (HTTP 500 Internal Server Error) means that the website you are visiting had a server problem which prevented the webpage from displaying.

Sometimes it lets me get on the homepage but no further. Any help?
Very strange, PM sent to help troubleshoot.
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An update on my sales:

Today's auctions didn't do as well as I had hoped, with 3 out of the 13 that I had running selling for a total of 89.00. Now, that still means about 62.00 in profit for me after the bido fees and the reg fees that I had invested in the names, so it wasn't a total loss, but not a spectacular showing. I probably should have spent more time promoting these domains for the auction, but was extremely busy and dropped the ball. Anyway, I am going to say that the low sales volume for me today was probably because of my own lack of promotion.

I am still waiting on a few of the old transactions to go through. Some buyers just never seem to respond to messages. Hopefully the new features and policies that MediaHound referred to will help with this. I did see the new option to notify BIDO that a transfer had been made already and that worked beautifully to complete one of my transactions. The buyer had already sent me a message confirming that they had the name, but hadn't chosen the option to confirm it in the transfer panel. I clicked the option and BIDO confirmed and issued payment within a couple of hours (Thanks BIDO!).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

Anyway, I know it may seem to some like I'm going into a lot of detail about every step here in this thread, but, as BIDO is so new, I wanted to share my experiences and, hopefully, get feedback from others as well so that we can all plan our business models accordingly. Hope nobody minds.

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An update on my sales:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

Today's auctions didn't do as well as I had hoped, with 3 out of the 13 that I had running selling for a total of 89.00. Now, that still means about 62.00 in profit for me after the bido fees and the reg fees that I had invested in the names, so it wasn't a total loss, but not a spectacular showing. I probably should have spent more time promoting these domains for the auction, but was extremely busy and dropped the ball. Anyway, I am going to say that the low sales volume for me today was probably because of my own lack of promotion.

I am still waiting on a few of the old transactions to go through. Some buyers just never seem to respond to messages. Hopefully the new features and policies that MediaHound referred to will help with this. I did see the new option to notify BIDO that a transfer had been made already and that worked beautifully to complete one of my transactions. The buyer had already sent me a message confirming that they had the name, but hadn't chosen the option to confirm it in the transfer panel. I clicked the option and BIDO confirmed and issued payment within a couple of hours (Thanks BIDO!).

Anyway, I know it may seem to some like I'm going into a lot of detail about every step here in this thread, but, as BIDO is so new, I wanted to share my experiences and, hopefully, get feedback from others as well so that we can all plan our business models accordingly. Hope nobody minds.

Best Wishes to all.
Love these types of posts. I have 5 domains going to auction next week and this will be my first time in the role of seller. I am excited to finally be participating from the other side and greatly enjoy hearing about the experiences of sellers.
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Thanks DesiredName for sharing your experience with the forum. For a long time I didn't like the idea of a no reserve auction but BIDO seems to be gaining some traction and the $28 minimum plus reserve option help mitigate those concerns. Looking at closed transactions, it looks like the median sale is around $50 with about 30% of sales in the $28-$30 range. More than a third of domains which sell get bid up over $100 so if you are selling reg fee cost domains you can still make some money. Domains captured via backorder or an auction might be harder to sell at a profit though it does seem higher quality domains do get more interest (if properly promoted).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553

-still waiting for my domains to get approved; I put the BIDO code in the Address2 line so hopefully in the next couple of days I'll just need to start getting votes...
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All good feedback, thanks.
Regarding the tag you placed garptrader, did you click to send the bot to check for the tag from your /UserDomains page? If you encountered a problem with this, just write us a note on the support desk and we will take care of it for you. There are certain technical challenges that may prevent the tag from being identified, so if you feel the tag cannot be found but it should be, just write us to look into it and verify for you. Or you may of course try our alternate method and and send the link to click to the admin contact as listed in your registrar's whois output. In the third, we offer a nameserver record that you may place and we can detect that as well. These are all self-serve processes but if they don't get you going, we are here to help. Best wishes with your listings.
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In my experience so far, if one verification method does not work, none of them will. I have tried all of the verification methods for several domains, and it seems like it will either work the first time, or not at all, no matter which method you use. I also contacted support several days ago regarding verifying a domain have still not heard back. What is the average turnaround time for support issues? Thanks
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Ditto. I had three go through right away but the other 22 are still waiting. I keep checking back every few hours and trying the Verify Ownership option but I get a message "The ownership of some domains could not be approved." Then if I try Resend Email the message is "Administrative email not found in Whois record." The email is in the Whois record and I have placed the BIDO code in the Address 2 line. Hopefully it is just a matter of waiting for the system to detect whatever it needs to confirm I am the legitimate registrant of the domains I have submitted...
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We are working to improve where certain domain registrars provide technical limitations for us to access the whois output needed.
We make headway with this on a daily basis.
Please contact support when you cannot verify your domains and we will verify for you by hand.
In addition, we are working to increase the speed at which tickets are responded to. If you feel you have not heard back, please check your spam folder and also make sure support@bido.com is added to your allowed senders list. Our offices were closed on Monday, this caused a day to be lost for responses, today is only the second day of the week that we have been open. Thank you for your understanding.
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:19 AM   #946 (permalink)
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I like the new addition of a bid automatically sending the domain to auction - makes perfect sense!
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Originally Posted by MediaHound View Post
We are working to improve where certain domain registrars provide technical limitations for us to access the whois output needed.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=560553
We make headway with this on a daily basis.
Please contact support when you cannot verify your domains and we will verify for you by hand.
In addition, we are working to increase the speed at which tickets are responded to. If you feel you have not heard back, please check your spam folder and also make sure support@bido.com is added to your allowed senders list. Our offices were closed on Monday, this caused a day to be lost for responses, today is only the second day of the week that we have been open. Thank you for your understanding.
Just to let you know, all of my domains are at the same registrar, GoDaddy. Still some of them go right through, and others do not for some reason. Thanks
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Thanks cmason.
That feature you refer to, bidding from the vote tab, now allows anyone to send a domain that is up for voting to auction by placing a preliminary bid. This bid being placed will immediately pull the domain right out of the vote tab to be setup as an auction, where the prebid will be automatically placed when the auction starts.

Previously, we allowed this, however the way it differed was that it required an Accelerate credit to be purchased by the bidder. Sellers may still accelerate their domains to auction, but for a bidder, it is free.

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Just to let you know, all of my domains are at the same registrar, GoDaddy. Still some of them go right through, and others do not for some reason. Thanks
Thank you. We were aware of the challenges and where the bottlenecks of the whois utility reside.
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We have already worked an agreement with GoDaddy and an improvement is in order and will be released soon.
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Today's list of upcoming auctions on Bido


domaindeletes.com
racingbloopers.com
gvbw.com
onpc.us
xvfj.com
eheidi.com
beachtowns.net
husk.me
automobiledisposal.com
fitnessmovement.com
bonuschance.com
problemwiki.com
privacypoker.com
licoricemix.com
roofinginstaller.com
ecodomaining.com
amazement.info
tradeformula.com
airtravelbrazil.com
cinnamonballs.com
vegasgamingadvice.com
wordname.com
globaltld.com
fljobs.info
domaintheftprotection.com
akcspaniel.com
englishpug.com
linuxtechsupport.com
qualifiedlegal.com
housingindustry.us
classical-cds.com
golfpass.us
professionaltreatment.com
mortgage.tk
michaeljackson.in
nationaldevelopment.com
bears.in
wellsfargo.cn
500.mobi
beatmenopause.com
insurancesavings.org
bridalmovies.com
lasvegasaccommodations.info
cancersupport.us
webdesigntools.info
examhelp.net
0o9.com
leisureseek.com
lowballs.com
soyamall.com
qvyk.com
computerstand.net
bankruptcyproceedings.net
peachcobbler.us
eraser.mobi
srilankan.tel
electricals.us
crushed.us

all on Bido today.

To view and bid on any of these auctions, visit http://www.bido.com
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michaeljackson.in, linuxtechsupport.com, 0o9.com,wellsfargo.cn, and 500.mobi are RESERVE auctions, the remaining are NO RESERVE auctions, bidding starts at $28, so join in right now. Auctions run for ~1 hour (barring extensions).

There are some Adult auctions as well, please login to your Bido account and enable "Adult Auctions" in your settings.

Hope to see you at the auctions.
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I wasn't aware of it but that automatic bid feature is nice and makes perfect sense. If someone is willing to bid the $28 minimum for a domain, there is no need to wait for that domain to obtain additional votes before it goes to auction.
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