AdSense for Domains - OFFICIAL THREAD - Page 15

nielsencl · 12-28-2008, 07:32 AM

You may be right, but I am still bothered by the use of the term "queries". To me, that is a term you use when searching for something, not when you click on a link, because it's a direct request for something specific, as in "Show me this page". But I am NOT saying that you are wrong, and I am afraid you may be right.

But if that is true, WHY would Google accept any domains that are clearly NOT going to get anything for type-in traffic?

I suggest that all of you with blogs or even sites and domains post some links to this thread. Perhaps we can get someone from Google to explain what is going on or point us to some source of information that will help.

nielsencl · 12-28-2008, 08:40 AM

Sorry, I was trying to not be mean also... at first I was only able to find some of what you posted in other forum posts. I thought that someone had posted something false and it was being picked up by others. I was lucky to have access to another AdSense account that did not have AFD activated to get a copy for us.

I just blogged about this thread and posted some of my experiences and thoughts about the program. I don't know if anyone remembers what AdWords first looked like when it launched, but I can assure you it's greatly changed. You would think that AFD has aged enough to have evolved, but either G has made policies that will limit it's effectiveness, or they big boy domainers were raking in enough so no feedback was provided.

The lack of templates and images say a LOT, although the program is newly placed in our hands. I'm still surprised they opened it up to us, but time will tell if we can influence AFD so that it works as well if not better than the competition.

netmeg · 12-28-2008, 08:50 AM

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But if that is true, WHY would Google accept any domains that are clearly NOT going to get anything for type-in traffic?

Because the whole idea probably isn't to make a bunch of money in the short term. As I mentioned somewhere above in an earlier post, the big portfolios aren't going to move over to AFD. If they're making good money where they are, they're not going to mess with that. And this is a really fast and efficient way for Google to clean up the low end of the domain market (and keep 'em out of the SERPS - as soon as you submit a domain, I'm sure it's flagged, if it wasn't already)

nielsencl · 12-28-2008, 09:21 AM

Well, you may be correct. But wouldn't a simple check of the IP or nameservers do the same thing if they wanted to filter out parked domains?

Mike · 12-28-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by nielsencl

Well, you may be correct. But wouldn't a simple check of the IP or nameservers do the same thing if they wanted to filter out parked domains?

That requires search, nickel and dime work on their end = higher cost.
If domainers come running, we're submitting our domains, making the scanning process a breeze. Even moreso as if one is just submitting for SERP listing, as you're clearly flagging your domain as a "parked domain".
It's like throwing yourself in a lions cage, expecting to be able to pet a kitty.
Google has one interest in mind, and it sure as hell isn't the common domainer's.

M.

Siteriver · 12-28-2008, 10:24 AM

Google is certainly not helping - I've been running a test for several weeks with a dozen domains related to certification. Nada. I've been keeping a public running total of the clicks, searchs, and revenue at my personal (non-commercial) blog http://pbarnhart.wordpress.com/testi...e-for-domains/ and so far haven't cleared a dollar.

I'm not a domainer - I am a web architect. But I work closely with a few domainers seeking help in developing smarter content-added parking solutions. In the same amount of time it took me to manually change the DNS settings for these sites, I could have set up several content-managed parking sites using open-source templates and PureEdit.

I will run adsense test for at least 60 days - and keep publishing the results. Folks can draw their own conclusions.

whitebark · 12-28-2008, 12:15 PM

To those adding .ca's with the CIRA default privacy protection on - are your domains being accepted?

And for anyone - are they accepting/paying for traffic from anything other than direct type-in?

netmeg · 12-28-2008, 12:41 PM

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The 66.249.72.51 is without doubt Googles bot that originates from Mountain View, CA.

That's the AdSense bot.

That's how Google tells what ads to serve on the page, and also what ads to serve YOU - in some cases, you would see ads local to you and relevant to your previous searches, as opposed to what I'd see from Michigan and my own previous searches.

I have thousands of visits from Mediapartners-Google on each of my sites per day (some sites tens of thousands) whether I visit them or not.

Try it on some pages that don't have AdSense (and have never had any Adsense), L2, and see if you get the same.

nielsencl · 12-28-2008, 12:42 PM

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Note, any page I viewed was immediately "followed" by a Google bot a second or two later. Any page, every page. Wherever I went, the bot followed me. By the way, I'm NOT using a Google Toolbar, and Google is NOT my default search engine in my browser.

Well, when I looked at your site pages I see that you have adsense on them. I have seen this thing happen on some of my sites also, when people enter in a search query in our site search, Googlebot enters the same thing. Weird huh? But I don't think it's the big deal you are making out of it. Your viewing the page is "seen" by Google and it looks like they are then also checking the page as well. It may be they are doing updates for the content matching. If you don't click on the ads, perhaps the content has changed and they want to check. I wouldn't jump to conslusions about whats going on, but heck yes, we only have small clues about all the information they have on usage.... only a tiny hint of a clue...

netmeg · 12-28-2008, 12:56 PM

If you want to get off the Google grid, then you're going to have to get rid of AdWords (which I don't know if you use), AdSense and Analytics.

As long as you're running those, they'll be tracking your IP numbers and your browsers. That's one way they detect patterns of click fraud.

You're going to have to set your browsers not to accept any cookies.

Probably going to have to disable javascript.

And for your own searching, make sure you stick to Yahoo and MSN only.

And abandon any Gmail or Google accounts you may have had.

After a time, you *might* fall off.

Timewarp · 12-28-2008, 03:10 PM

...and if you have a GPS device that uses Google Maps like the iphone they can track our movements and photograph us from space!

greggish · 12-28-2008, 03:24 PM

Not me. I keep my iphone wrapped in tinfoil for just that reason.

*MicroGuy* · 12-28-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by greggish

Not me. I keep my iphone wrapped in tinfoil for just that reason.

I just read this entire thread. This was the perfect ending. Too funny.

**mis_chiff** · 12-28-2008, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by whitebark

To those adding .ca's with the CIRA default privacy protection on - are your domains being accepted?

I don't know if it has to be off or not
I took mine off before I submitted them, then
I changed it back after they were approved.
that part verified in less than 24 hours.

Then the registrar changed the records for me.
It probably would have been faster to change the
records first, but because the registrar has to change
them, I waited till they were approved.

That part of it bites.....

**-Nick-** · 12-30-2008, 08:37 AM

Any of you guys who read Julia's blog would have read the warnings she has been giving since July.

If not then you can still read it : http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid.com/

Cyberian · 12-30-2008, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

I just read this entire thread. This was the perfect ending. Too funny.

This thread isnt over yet.. good or bad, not by a long shot.

Originally Posted by -Nick-

Any of you guys who read Julia's blog would have read the warnings she has been giving since July.

If not then you can still read it : http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid.com/

Nick, could you link us lazy people to the specific posts that relate to this subject, please?

**-Nick-** · 12-30-2008, 08:54 AM

Yes.

There is a series like posts thing on there.

http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid....s-approaching/

http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid....changes-part2/

http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid....aching-part-3/

Thanks.

pwr1019 · 12-30-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by -Nick-

Any of you guys who read Julia's blog would have read the warnings she has been giving since July.

If not then you can still read it : http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid.com/

Good read......
Anyone else note the 42.5% revenue share via Googles domain park.

nielsencl · 12-30-2008, 12:17 PM

I don't know, it seemed mostly like opinion, not fact. Which is ok, but I didn't feel like I learned much from that blog post.

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Anyone else note the 42.5% revenue share via Googles domain park.

Sure did, but can anyone confirm that figure? I hope so...!

exsedo · 01-02-2009, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by netmeg

Because the whole idea probably isn't to make a bunch of money in the short term. As I mentioned somewhere above in an earlier post, the big portfolios aren't going to move over to AFD. If they're making good money where they are, they're not going to mess with that. And this is a really fast and efficient way for Google to clean up the low end of the domain market (and keep 'em out of the SERPS - as soon as you submit a domain, I'm sure it's flagged, if it wasn't already)

If this is indeed the Google masterplan to clean up the internet, how long do you think it will take for them to 1) Roll out the scheme worldwide. 2) suck in enough domains to achieve the objective. 3) Start to deindex them all.
Was just thinking that an educated guess at the timeline might be helpful.

Mike · 01-02-2009, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by exsedo

Was just thinking that an educated guess at the timeline might be helpful.

That solely depends on how many domainers fall for the scheme and continue to think that Google is the end all - be all.
It's a pretty clear cut situation

The verdict: Stay away from Google's parking solution. I don't think it can be said anymore clear than that.

M.

*This is solely my personal opinion and as such, disassociated from my NP Staff duties. (Just for the case that some think they need to start flaming again)*

**mis_chiff** · 01-02-2009, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

That solely depends on how many domainers fall for the scheme and continue to think that Google is the end all - be all.
It's a pretty clear cut situation

The verdict: Stay away from Google's parking solution. I don't think it can be said anymore clear than that.

M.

*This is solely my personal opinion and as such, disassociated from my NP Staff duties. (Just for the case that some think they need to start flaming again)*

I don't think Google is the end all...

Although the domains I have there are/have
already done better in about 14 days,
than in some cases - months with the other parking
companies.
I don't have a million dollar portfolio - far from it
but this program is working for me!

netmeg · 01-02-2009, 08:39 AM

Are any of your domains still indexed?

I tried two throwaway domains that were at least in the index - once I added them to AFD, they were out of the index within 48 hours.

johname · 01-02-2009, 08:47 AM

one of the domains i added to AFD the first day it open is still indexed

Len · 01-02-2009, 09:02 AM

Those that I added are no longer indexed!!! Even if I type them into the google search with the extension they are not recognised.
The only way anyone will ever find these domains would be to type the full name+ext directly into their browser.

12-28-2008, 07:32 AM	#351 (permalink)
nielsencl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,098 1,440.43 NP$ (Donate)	Google Adsense for domains You may be right, but I am still bothered by the use of the term "queries". To me, that is a term you use when searching for something, not when you click on a link, because it's a direct request for something specific, as in "Show me this page". But I am NOT saying that you are wrong, and I am afraid you may be right. But if that is true, WHY would Google accept any domains that are clearly NOT going to get anything for type-in traffic? I suggest that all of you with blogs or even sites and domains post some links to this thread. Perhaps we can get someone from Google to explain what is going on or point us to some source of information that will help. __________________ 9/2010 I'm selling domains on BargainDomains.com now. Sales to date: 0 Profit: $0 Free Web Magazines - 5k Run Challenge - 5a5.org - Mesothelioma - Uncapitalized - 800 Number - 7500 Books Last edited by nielsencl; 12-28-2008 at 07:48 AM.

12-28-2008, 08:40 AM	#352 (permalink)
nielsencl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,098 1,440.43 NP$ (Donate)	Sorry, I was trying to not be mean also... at first I was only able to find some of what you posted in other forum posts. I thought that someone had posted something false and it was being picked up by others. I was lucky to have access to another AdSense account that did not have AFD activated to get a copy for us. I just blogged about this thread and posted some of my experiences and thoughts about the program. I don't know if anyone remembers what AdWords first looked like when it launched, but I can assure you it's greatly changed. You would think that AFD has aged enough to have evolved, but either G has made policies that will limit it's effectiveness, or they big boy domainers were raking in enough so no feedback was provided. The lack of templates and images say a LOT, although the program is newly placed in our hands. I'm still surprised they opened it up to us, but time will tell if we can influence AFD so that it works as well if not better than the competition. __________________ 9/2010 I'm selling domains on BargainDomains.com now. Sales to date: 0 Profit: $0 Free Web Magazines - 5k Run Challenge - 5a5.org - Mesothelioma - Uncapitalized - 800 Number - 7500 Books

12-28-2008, 09:21 AM	#354 (permalink)
nielsencl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,098 1,440.43 NP$ (Donate)	Well, you may be correct. But wouldn't a simple check of the IP or nameservers do the same thing if they wanted to filter out parked domains? __________________ 9/2010 I'm selling domains on BargainDomains.com now. Sales to date: 0 Profit: $0 Free Web Magazines - 5k Run Challenge - 5a5.org - Mesothelioma - Uncapitalized - 800 Number - 7500 Books

12-28-2008, 10:24 AM	#356 (permalink)
Siteriver New Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Completely underwhelmed - Testing results Google is certainly not helping - I've been running a test for several weeks with a dozen domains related to certification. Nada. I've been keeping a public running total of the clicks, searchs, and revenue at my personal (non-commercial) blog http://pbarnhart.wordpress.com/testi...e-for-domains/ and so far haven't cleared a dollar. I'm not a domainer - I am a web architect. But I work closely with a few domainers seeking help in developing smarter content-added parking solutions. In the same amount of time it took me to manually change the DNS settings for these sites, I could have set up several content-managed parking sites using open-source templates and PureEdit. I will run adsense test for at least 60 days - and keep publishing the results. Folks can draw their own conclusions.

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netmeg Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,601 1,645.00 NP$ (Donate)	If you want to get off the Google grid, then you're going to have to get rid of AdWords (which I don't know if you use), AdSense and Analytics. As long as you're running those, they'll be tracking your IP numbers and your browsers. That's one way they detect patterns of click fraud. You're going to have to set your browsers not to accept any cookies. Probably going to have to disable javascript. And for your own searching, make sure you stick to Yahoo and MSN only. And abandon any Gmail or Google accounts you may have had. After a time, you might fall off. __________________ Watching idiots online since 1985...

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Timewarp NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 970 30.00 NP$ (Donate)	...and if you have a GPS device that uses Google Maps like the iphone they can track our movements and photograph us from space! __________________ Toronto Property \| Halifax Real Estate \| Documentary Search Engine

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greggish NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York, USA Posts: 596 316.06 NP$ (Donate)	Not me. I keep my iphone wrapped in tinfoil for just that reason.

12-30-2008, 08:37 AM	#365 (permalink)
-Nick- I'll do it Forum Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 6,862 4,857.00 NP$ (Donate)	Any of you guys who read Julia's blog would have read the warnings she has been giving since July. If not then you can still read it : http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid.com/ __________________ Vhuv\|Delq\|Fhur\|Twut\|Tluz\|Kegh\|Vhir\|Juhy\|Ruuz\|Jyos\|Jupt\|Vhek Webmaster Blog \| Software Downloads Sponsor Ads at SponAds.com

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-Nick- I'll do it Forum Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 6,862 4,857.00 NP$ (Donate)	Yes. There is a series like posts thing on there. http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid....s-approaching/ http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid....changes-part2/ http://isitmeoriseveryoneelsestupid....aching-part-3/ Thanks. __________________ Vhuv\|Delq\|Fhur\|Twut\|Tluz\|Kegh\|Vhir\|Juhy\|Ruuz\|Jyos\|Jupt\|Vhek Webmaster Blog \| Software Downloads Sponsor Ads at SponAds.com

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netmeg Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,601 1,645.00 NP$ (Donate)	Are any of your domains still indexed? I tried two throwaway domains that were at least in the index - once I added them to AFD, they were out of the index within 48 hours. __________________ Watching idiots online since 1985...

01-02-2009, 08:47 AM	#374 (permalink)
johname NamePros Expert Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,661 1,798.00 NP$ (Donate)	one of the domains i added to AFD the first day it open is still indexed

01-02-2009, 09:02 AM	#375 (permalink)
Len dot TV'er Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,657 828.35 NP$ (Donate)	Those that I added are no longer indexed!!! Even if I type them into the google search with the extension they are not recognised. The only way anyone will ever find these domains would be to type the full name+ext directly into their browser.

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