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Old 10-22-2008, 07:36 AM   #201 (permalink)
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There are two .pro's on Sedo auction.

Both are non-english keywords. It seems the seller must have found some international buyers. Goes to show that .pro is PRO in just about any language.

https://sedo.com/auction/detail/anuncios.pro/43481_us__

https://sedo.com/auction/detail/mascotas.pro/43503_us__
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:27 AM THREAD STARTER               #203 (permalink)
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Its been about 12 days since I placed orders at Hostway, they are still pending. I called them many times, sent emails. I called them today and I was told they will resend the activation links (although the domains are still pending orders in their system, I usually get the AV links AFTER those are gone from pending orders list).

Lets see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Ben42
There are two .pro's on Sedo auction.
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Both are non-english keywords. It seems the seller must have found some international buyers. Goes to show that .pro is PRO in just about any language.
If it's not a fake bids........
Time will show.
Let's see status for these domains after 2-3 months

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Its been about 12 days since I placed orders at Hostway, they are still pending. I called them many times, sent emails.
I think we should not expect to freeload here...
Also tryed to call them again, but there is no answer in 20 minutes...
$15 is nice, but it's not working
Registrars makes their profit from air..... In my opinion real reg. price should be in $5-$7 range.
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Originally Posted by MasterGuru
If it's not a fake bids........
Time will show.
Let's see status for these domains after 2-3 months


I think we should not expect to freeload here...
Also tryed to call them again, but there is no answer in 20 minutes...
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$15 is nice, but it's not working
Registrars makes their profit from air..... In my opinion real reg. price should be in $5-$7 range.
Yeah, well these 15 names that are in pending orders are stuck in time. They charged my credit card, the whois under my name but I can't do anything with those domains as they don't show up in the site control.

Other 10 names that are active, seems to be working fine.

I agree, the prices will have to come down further around 9.99 area.

Btw, what is the reason to charge high prices for .PRO? The assumption that .PROs will be registered by professionals and companies which make money so they "should" be able to afford to pay a little more than others? I don't see any other reason to pay more... especially, when nothing is being done to promote .PRO into the extended internet/business markets like .mobi/.info were.
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I think Netsol is doing a good job promoting it. They are at least offering it as an option to businesses looking for names. It's a start, and the ones still using Netsol are our end users, so they are targeting the right audience.

As far as prices go I think they see the TLD as a luxuary item. Extra work needs to be done like submitting License info and training customer support as to it's rules. I don't see the price coming down much more for now. The good thing is that it's down over 70% from what they used to be!
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Originally Posted by InvisionTech
Yeah, well these 15 names that are in pending orders are stuck in time. They charged my credit card, the whois under my name but I can't do anything with those domains as they don't show up in the site control.
It's good news, because it's better to have domains in whois under yourself name (even if you are not having them under your control panel) in comparison to see free whois or whois with another person name
I thought that .PRO registrations are impossible with Hostway
So we know now that .pro registrations are possible with this impossible registrar
And in my opinion $15 for .pro with hostway turned to a big lottery - the domain may be register with you via Hostway, but it also can be register faster with another guys who are using another registrars What's your opinion on this?


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Other 10 names that are active, seems to be working fine.
My real congratulations!

Originally Posted by InvisionTech
I agree, the prices will have to come down further around 9.99 area.
Btw, what is the reason to charge high prices for .PRO? The assumption that .PROs will be registered by professionals and companies which make money so they "should" be able to afford to pay a little more than others?
It seems to me that people from .PRO having exactly this opinion that you saying. Professionals can pay more money

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I don't see any other reason to pay more... especially, when nothing is being done to promote .PRO into the extended internet/business markets like .mobi/.info were.
And btw, we forgot about other thing:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=522420
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at present time we are registering .pro domains by spade
$20, $25 are prices for the first year with 60%-70% discount,
for second it should be $34-$40.... (maybe even more)
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i really hope they start to promote .PRO like the others, the INITIAL goldrush is just about over anyway
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Hostway.co.uk seem far quicker than Hostway.com, you pay a little more but it may be worth it?

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It's still cheaper and just as easy to use DomainPeople. I registered 0800.pro this morning for £12.25, it would have cost £14 with Hostway.co.uk. It was even cheaper with DomainPeople last week when the GBP/USD FX rate was 1.75.

It seems ridiculous that Hostway.co.uk charge the equivalent of $23 compared to $15 at Hostway.com. Encirca and Godaddy just convert direct from USD if you want to pay in GBP which is much fairer.
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Pile.pro is under development, I have a start page, a bulletin board and a wiki all without content currently, but have a browse. I particularly recommend the deep template on the front of the site, credit to Vacant (Chris Blunden), http://www.web-site.tk Deep, version 1.5 also on OSWD.

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Picked up:


Residence.pro (not as good as home/hotel, etc. but good alternative)
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that is a good pickup, might have to reg the real estate ones on my list
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Anybody else seeing this?

In Network Solutions, once you click on manage a domain there use to be a "Submit Your Business License Information" link but it is not showing up there anymore...
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Old 10-24-2008, 01:50 PM   #217 (permalink)
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.PRO still offers wealth of opportunity


I just picked up Listings.pro off of the Recent Deletions list. Is it a realestate.pro? No, not even a close second or nth, necessarily, for that matter. But it is a solid keyword just the same, flexible, highly subdomainable, the subject of a few offers on Sedo, taken in every other tld, and $24.95 at Encirca. As a domainer, I've had better days. But all things being equal, I've certainly had worse. Go PRO!
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i think listings.pro is great, you'd be surprised how often that word is thrown around in real estate, certainly more than other "key words"
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I noticed Tailor.pro is at auction on Sedo for $350. It was only regged on 8 Sep.
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Nice find. Although a good quick turnaround for the seller, this would be a steal for a professional tailor to pick up at that price.

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I just picked up Listings.pro off of the Recent Deletions list.
Had it for two years and not a single real estate broker I talked to had even a slight interest. I still like it, but it just didn't make the cut. I always thought it was a viable domain for building an MLS. Good luck!
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There is still some very nice fruit left on the .pro tree. Keywords that might have been too niche, too akward with the extension, or not commercially focused enough to keep fed and watered with $99 goggles on, look prettier at $20. I wouldn't have registered Jumbo.pro and Pronto.pro for $99 but if it's costing me the equivalent of a CD per year as opposed to a CD player, I make different decisions.

I still think reg fees have got to fall further for .pro to catch on. At $20-$30 they are still 2-3 times more expensive than other gTLD's and if you are also 100 less well known, you don't need take Donald Trump to tell you that's not going to work.

People talk about .pro being a luxury or high end product so it justifies a higher reg fee. Economically and practically, that doesn't make sense. Luxury brands charge a premium because they spend millions of dollars on advertising, packaging, and sponsorship to convince people to pay a premium price. RegistryPro don't do anything like that.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=522420

Practically, the .pro regging experience is a nightmare compared to registering any other gTLD. You have little choice of registrar, you can't transfer .pros between registrars, often what you register doesn't end up getting registered (Encirca is the only reliable registrar in my experience), the front end of all .pro registrars is archaic, you get bugged for AV details or you don't get bugged for AV details, then you get an email threatening to cancel your .pro.

Last night, I registered Patient.pro at DomainPeople. I waited 30 minutes but the WHOIS didn't get updated so I had to go and register it at Encirca. For the last week, I couldn't register anything at DomainPeople from my home PC, when I searched for any .pro, the site returned a greyed out selection box for all .pros I queried. It might have something to do with Firefox because I use Internet Explorer at work and it was fine. I've never been able to register a single .pro at Hostway.com period.

RegistryPro have got to reduce the price of .pro to $10 for new registrations and renewals, get rid of AV checking, focus on professional use vetting, and sign up some reliable volume registrars. Presumably, its the AV checking that puts off registrars like Godaddy and Moniker. Also, what happened to Melbourne IT, I can't believe RegistryPro announced this and Melbourne IT are still not offering .pro.

The worst case scenario is that RegistryPro leave renewal fees significantly higher than new registrations. If they do, the people who regged at $20 are going to drop the lot in 2009 and we are going to be right back where we started.

If I was running .pro, I'd offer them 10%-20% cheaper than .com, .pro is a substitute product and has to be discounted against the real macoy just like supermarket own brand cereals have to be cheaper than Kelloggs.

I'd get rid of AV checking because it's unworkable and results in a lack of registrar interest, to make real progress you have to take .pro to the customer, you can't expect customers to find .pro. Every registrar has got to offer .pro.

Professional use is .pro's unique selling proposition, it's a good thing, when I had 1m .pro registrations at $7, I'd sweep every resolving .pro for porn, cancel the lot, and spend $10m publicising that fact in the media. Then I'd do the same with spammers.

If you combined discounted reg fees, no AV checking to encourage mass registrar adoption, and lethal anti-porn and anti-spam policing, .pro could become a genuine alternative to .com for business use within 10 years.
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Originally Posted by akcampbell
There is still some very nice fruit left on the .pro tree. Keywords that might have been too niche, too akward with the extension, or not commercially focused enough to keep fed and watered with $99 goggles on, look prettier at $20. I wouldn't have registered Jumbo.pro and Pronto.pro for $99 but if it's costing me the equivalent of a CD per year as opposed to a CD player, I make different decisions.

I still think reg fees have got to fall further for .pro to catch on. At $20-$30 they are still 2-3 times more expensive than other gTLD's and if you are also 100 less well known, you don't need take Donald Trump to tell you that's not going to work.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=522420

People talk about .pro being a luxury or high end product so it justifies a higher reg fee. Economically and practically, that doesn't make sense. Luxury brands charge a premium because they spend millions of dollars on advertising, packaging, and sponsorship to convince people to pay a premium price. RegistryPro don't do anything like that.

Practically, the .pro regging experience is a nightmare compared to registering any other gTLD. You have little choice of registrar, you can't transfer .pros between registrars, often what you register doesn't end up getting registered (Encirca is the only reliable registrar in my experience), the front end of all .pro registrars is archaic, you get bugged for AV details or you don't get bugged for AV details, then you get an email threatening to cancel your .pro.

Last night, I registered Patient.pro at DomainPeople. I waited 30 minutes but the WHOIS didn't get updated so I had to go and register it at Encirca. For the last week, I couldn't register anything at DomainPeople from my home PC, when I searched for any .pro, the site returned a greyed out selection box for all .pro I queries. It might have something to do with Firefox because I use Internet Explorer at work and it was fine there. I've never been able to register anything at Hostway.com period.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=522420

RegistryPro have got to reduce the price of .pro to $10 for new registrations and renewals, get rid of AV checking, focus on professional use vetting, and sign up some reliable volume registrars. Presumably, its the AV checking that puts off registrars like Godaddy and Moniker. Also, what happened to Melbourne IT, I can't believe RegistryPro announced this and Melbourne IT are still not offering .pro.

The worst case scenario is that RegistryPro leave renewal fees significantly higher than new registrations. If they do, the people who regged at $20 are going to drop the lot in 2009 and we are going to be right back where we started.

If I was running .pro, I'd offer them 10%-20% cheaper than .com, .pro is a substitute product and has to be discounted against the real macoy just like supermarket own brand cereals have to be cheaper than Kelloggs.

I'd get rid of AV checking because it's unworkable and results in a lack of registrar interest, to make real progress you have to take .pro to the customer, you can't expect customers to find .pro. Every registrar has got to offer .pro.

Professional use is .pro's unique selling proposition, it's a good thing, when I had 1m .pro registrations at $7, I'd sweep every resolving .pro for porn, cancel the lot, and spend $10m publicising that fact in the media. Then I'd do the same with spammers.

If you combined discounted reg fees, no AV checking to encourage mass registrar adoption, and lethal anti-porn and anti-spam policing, .pro could become a genuine alternative to .com for business use within 10 years.

Have you mentioned this to registrypro.pro recently?
Last time I checked with their legal dept. about what me, a professional software engineer could do to get a license. They didn't reply.

Since then, I've incorporated (but scarcely know what to do with my new LLC). I went to the link where I originally had to provide the A/V info and it won't let me update it with new information).

Which gets me to my next question: Has anyone determined that an LLC qualifies as making one a credentialed/licensed pro?
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Well said Andrew.

Even though I have no issues submitting AV information, it does keep legitimate users from registering and developing .PRO domains. The focus should be on professional use rather than focusing on whether a domain submitted its licensing information. It almost sounds like a membership to some exclusive club which no outsiders can join and frankly it keeps regular users away.

I also agree that .PRO needs a level playing field with other extensions. The high prices, exclusivity, the licensing requirements almost make it look like we have to play with golden shoe on while others get away with sneakers.

It seems to me that registrypro it self is not clear on rules and how it wants to deal with porn/spam issue. I sent email to registrypro couple of weeks ago about babe.pro website which is operating with adult/porn content. I have not heard back yet.

We should give credit to registrypro for pushing it to registrars like netsol and others. And netsol has done a great job at promoting .PRO at a level they can. When I lookup around 200 to 300 names from last year which were available after I registered 130 of my .PRO, many, 90% of them are gone now.

If .com is for commercial use, it did not and does not have any requirements to prove ones commercial use credentials. A 12 year old kid can register .com without worrying about commercial use while at the same time a business can also have web presence. I would like to see that happening with .PRO... hopefully. The difference here is that with .COM there is very little chance that brands, companies will be able to pick up their desired name however .PRO fills that gap very easily for both businesses and non businesses alike.

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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=522420
Which gets me to my next question: Has anyone determined that an LLC qualifies as making one a credentialed/licensed pro?
So far I've been able to use my LLC information and have not had any issues.
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