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labrocca · 09-14-2008, 01:38 PM

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for sure is that dilution will rule.

I believe CNO is protected against this dillution. It's like saying the sales of cubic zirconia has hurt the diamond market. The people buying fake diamonds would never buy real ones anyways. Same goes for high-end domains. How many companies will pass up the dotcom because it's too much money and instead get keyword.web? If anything...the additional extensions will create a HIGHER demand for CNO as info,biz, pro, mobi get dilluted to near nothing.

cityforums.com · 09-14-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

I believe CNO is protected against this dillution. It's like saying the sales of cubic zirconia has hurt the diamond market. The people buying fake diamonds would never buy real ones anyways. Same goes for high-end domains. How many companies will pass up the dotcom because it's too much money and instead get keyword.web? If anything...the additional extensions will create a HIGHER demand for CNO as info,biz, pro, mobi get dilluted to near nothing.

so the theory goes and this theory been an excellent predictor of outcome ...

the question is ... which is more geniune google.com or everything.google ?

ebay.com or everything.ebay ?

Aggro · 09-15-2008, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

That's because they are often not reported. They also very often include a functional site of some sort.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/513387-5500-offer-do-i-accept-auction.html

I have sold forum sites for more than $15k quite easily. Yes developed sites. However I have also sold keywordforum.com domains for many thousands of dollars. I can't disclose which ones because of confidentiality but they weren't nearly as good a name as this one. GamesForum.com is now being offered for sale around the $25k mark I believe and imho it's worth it.

Forum is the keyword. It's not board or talk or even discussion. It's a FORUM. Forums will continue being a large part of the internet community for some time.

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And no - you can't bank "domain equity" - so all this talk of $20,000, $30,000 down the road is meaningless.
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I don't understand what you are saying here. No one said you can bank domain equity.

Your opinions are still valued and thanks for adding to the discussion. I just don't agree with you.

You know full well I was talking about undeveloped domains.
If not we'd be talking about developed cbxnzFORUM.com selling for $1M.
Well, even the owner of GamesForum.com has the sense to at least make it more marketable by making an attempt at development.

If it was so easy to develop and make a forum mega successful, YOU would be the first one doing it on PoliticsForum.com.
Why, in a short time you'd have 10,000s of members, getting ad revs of $5,000 per mth and you could probably sell it for at least $100,000 - instead of trying to sell just the domain
While dealing with plenty of lowballs while waiting for that end user who will pay the $20,000 or whatnot for just the domain.

Be that man - show us all how easy it is.
Of course, we know it ain't so.
Which is why the domain is on the equiv of a parking lot instead of selling the skyscraper + land underneath for $100,000+

Why don't you hold out for the *promise* of more money tomorrow ie $20,000 or $25,000 in 5 yrs time vs the certainty of cash today...
What changed your mind?

I see the motto "Cash is king" speaks loudly - especially in these times.

goodkarmaco · 09-15-2008, 12:33 PM

If you really had a offer, you got it in the nick of time with the elections being over soon. Now with the economy fright that I have been talking about for over a year making front page news, we will see the real truth as to America and its dollar strength that was once the flagship currency for the world.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=513387

Its a whole new world today.

Up until today glutinious Americans thought not to question the policy of the Fed as long as helicopter Ben kept dropping boat loads of freshly printed dollars from the sky. All turned a blind eye to the massive quanity of money printed to give "stimulus" to the economy.

Now the chickens have come home to roost and the pile of money priinted will devalue and wreck havoc on the world economy. At this time I am of the opinion that gold will be a better investment than the domain.

This is the big one, take your money quick is my view.

politics forum?

npcomplete · 09-15-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by goodkarmaco

If you really had a offer, you got it in the nick of time with the elections being over soon. Now with the economy fright that I have been talking about for over a year making front page news, we will see the real truth as to America and its dollar strength that was once the flagship currency for the world.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=513387

Its a whole new world today.

Up until today glutinious Americans thought not to question the policy of the Fed as long as helicopter Ben kept dropping boat loads of freshly printed dollars from the sky. All turned a blind eye to the massive quanity of money printed to give "stimulus" to the economy.

Now the chickens have come home to roost and the pile of money priinted will devalue and wreck havoc on the world economy. At this time I am of the opinion that gold will be a better investment than the domain.

This is the big one, take your money quick is my view.

politics forum?

Nope. It was the same world as yesterday - it is just that the noobs in investing are waking up to the fact. I moved out of my long position the *first* time the dow hit 14,000 - quite some time ago. Been around a *long* time (I am a geezer), and when I saw all the glassy eyes the first time the dow hit 14,000 and the commentators excited about 15,000 being the next target I knew it was time to bail.

Back to that asset allocation model I was talking about earlier in the thread, and how it is not "gold or domains" but "gold AND domains" and stocks and real estate, with a weighting factor for each:

What I didn't mention is that some of the weighting factors (cough stocks cough) can have *negative* weighting factors... to capitalize on downside moves. Great day for the bears!

seven · 09-15-2008, 01:05 PM

Hold on to this one. I'm sure some of the major media outlets would love to have this domain.

$6750 isn't enough.

Stephen Watts · 09-15-2008, 01:42 PM

I would try and find a medium between both options, maybe put a little leg work into finding buyers and then reach an inbetween price your happy with.

Seabass · 09-15-2008, 09:28 PM

If it was mine I simply would not sell for less than $35,000, unless I really needed the cash.

It can be odd how many times you might get a $5,000 to $10,000 offer for a domain and then one day someone comes along and offers you $50,000. This kind of scenario has happened to me many times on domains I have owned for a long time.

An old domainer friend of mine said something to me back in about 1997 that always stuck, " You can only sell a domain once. Once it is gone you can't resell it". What he meant was you can sell now for $10,000 to many people who would probably pay that...... or you can hold out for the $100,000 jackpot. This is a good domain and depending where you are in your life, you have to make the decision, but if you have the time and inclination a much bigger payout should come from that domain than a paltry $10,000. It has too much appeal.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=513387

What if it turns out you sold the domain to Fox News for $6,750? You would be upset, I know I would.

namewaiter · 10-08-2008, 04:37 PM

so what was the final verdict .. did you sell it?

now seems to be a great time for a political oriented forum, no? you must be seeing some upward trends in traffic if you still own it.

HBK216 · 10-08-2008, 06:16 PM

If I was that buyer, I would probably say screw you. You might see it as raising the price & making them realize that they should have accepted your counter. How about looking at it through their eyes & that you might be a game player looking to squeeze them dry. Who is to say you don't reject their next offer & raise the price again? Time is money & if I were trying to buy this off of you & you raised the price or sent it to auction, I'd say screw it & let you sit on it.

It is so easy to see its value so develop it if that is really the case

labrocca · 10-08-2008, 11:14 PM

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What if it turns out you sold the domain to Fox News for $6,750? You would be upset, I know I would.

I never get upset if I accept a price. I don't care who buyer is.

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If I was that buyer, I would probably say screw you. You might see it as raising the price & making them realize that they should have accepted your counter.

And again...if the buyer wanted to walk away then I wouldn't care.

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Who is to say you don't reject their next offer & raise the price again?

Because I don't play that game. I did price it higher but they came back with the previous asking price of $6750 and I accepted it. I had not asked for any less than that at any time.

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Time is money & if I were trying to buy this off of you & you raised the price or sent it to auction, I'd say screw it & let you sit on it.

I accepted their price and didn't send to auction. I don't like wasting peoples time either.

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It is so easy to see its value so develop it if that is really the case

Well let's see...I did have a political forum which I used the traffic of this domain to help gain it's base. I sold that forum (under the domain democracyforums dot com) for high $x,xxx.

Now to end this story. The buyer never paid. After about 2 weeks I contacted Sedo explaining that if this wasn't a legit buyer I ask they cancel sale as I want an opportunity to sell it during this period of the election cycle. They cancelled sale within 48 hours stating they could not contact buyer.

So...basically they just wasted my time. Domain is now priced at $10,000 and I wouldn't accept an offer below $8k now. Seabass is right..this is a solid domain and I can see it hitting a $xx,xxx sale one day even if it's in 5-10 years. At the $8 a year reg fee paying $50-$100 for renewals might make me an extra $25,000.
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Well it was fun. btw..also had a high $xxx sedo sale for a LLN.com and seems they aren't paying either. Two lost Sedo sales in one week. I have 2 offers right now from direct emails pending so gonna hopefully see if I can close a deal to an end-user this month but you never know do ya.

soggyindo · 10-08-2008, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Well let's see...I did have a political forum which I used the traffic of this domain to help gain it's base. I sold that forum (under the domain democracyforums dot com) for high $x,xxx.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=513387

have you thought about buying (or inventing) $xx or low $xxx brandable political forums and repeating the process?

i'd imagine you'd get a system down, and perhaps be able to generate a few multiples of $x,xxx relatively easily every year? perhaps even outsourcing the process..

bmugford · 10-08-2008, 11:32 PM

I think the offer is more than fair, there are too many similar versions of this name.

PoliticalForum.com
PoliticalForums.com

Not to mention when you get in other endings like Talk, Chat, etc.

ssamriga · 10-08-2008, 11:42 PM

that must be unpleasent to get a non paying bidder after such long negotiations

But the name is good, I believe you may be able to sell it for 8,000+ until the elections...

DomainTalker · 10-09-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Now to end this story. The buyer never paid.

I'm very sorry to hear this, labrocca....That's really frustrating.

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weblord · 10-09-2008, 01:25 AM

take the money and give some to me.

Spade · 10-09-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by ssamriga

that must be unpleasent to get a non paying bidder after such long negotiations

But the name is good, I believe you may be able to sell it for 8,000+ until the elections...

Its unbelievably frustrating when you come to an agreement and one party backs out. Makes you want to grab someething and break it (similar situation only 3 weeks ago for me with a mid x,xxx name).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=513387

I think its too late into the political process for this domain to carry enough merrit. 4-5 months ago, wouldve been a pristine time to open up a forum but either way, sometimes patience does win the day (sometimes it doesnt).

Good luck and sorry the sale fell thru.

Justin

labrocca · 10-09-2008, 02:29 PM

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Its unbelievably frustrating when you come to an agreement and one party backs out. Makes you want to grab someething and break it (similar situation only 3 weeks ago for me with a mid x,xxx name).

This didn't frustrate me. Yes could have used the money but as most can see I was iffy about the price anyways. It was enough to sell but not enough to jump for joy.

The good news today is that my LLN.com was paid for at least. I thought that was going to bust too. That would be more annoying.

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have you thought about buying (or inventing) $xx or low $xxx brandable political forums and repeating the process?

You mean like this: http://www.debateful.com

It hasn't yet take off but it's cool. The right combo of members and activity aren't there yet. Plus I been focusing on my hacker forums which is 10x more active than my old political site. It's sucking up my of my time actually.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=513387

We all lose sales for whatever reason. It happens.

One thing I am glad about was that Sedo did kill the sale for me promptly. Sometimes you hear stories of a pending sale for months. After 2 weeks I sent sedo an email and within 48 hours to sale was cancelled. That's how it should be. Sedo rules allow I believe 7 days for making payment.

I wonder what would have happened if I auctioned this name? Curious if someone would have bid more. Maybe next time.

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goodkarmaco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blaine, Wa. Posts: 1,971	Today is a new world If you really had a offer, you got it in the nick of time with the elections being over soon. Now with the economy fright that I have been talking about for over a year making front page news, we will see the real truth as to America and its dollar strength that was once the flagship currency for the world. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=513387 Its a whole new world today. Up until today glutinious Americans thought not to question the policy of the Fed as long as helicopter Ben kept dropping boat loads of freshly printed dollars from the sky. All turned a blind eye to the massive quanity of money printed to give "stimulus" to the economy. Now the chickens have come home to roost and the pile of money priinted will devalue and wreck havoc on the world economy. At this time I am of the opinion that gold will be a better investment than the domain. This is the big one, take your money quick is my view. politics forum? __________________ GOODKARMACO, "Tenisonline"

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Seabass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,259	If it was mine I simply would not sell for less than $35,000, unless I really needed the cash. It can be odd how many times you might get a $5,000 to $10,000 offer for a domain and then one day someone comes along and offers you $50,000. This kind of scenario has happened to me many times on domains I have owned for a long time. An old domainer friend of mine said something to me back in about 1997 that always stuck, " You can only sell a domain once. Once it is gone you can't resell it". What he meant was you can sell now for $10,000 to many people who would probably pay that...... or you can hold out for the $100,000 jackpot. This is a good domain and depending where you are in your life, you have to make the decision, but if you have the time and inclination a much bigger payout should come from that domain than a paltry $10,000. It has too much appeal. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=513387 What if it turns out you sold the domain to Fox News for $6,750? You would be upset, I know I would.

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namewaiter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: cleveland Posts: 2,203	so what was the final verdict .. did you sell it? now seems to be a great time for a political oriented forum, no? you must be seeing some upward trends in traffic if you still own it.

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