Who is the Registrant?

GF · 08-18-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Len

Your best bet is a relative in Canada or a canadian citizen who you can trust as they will ultimately be in the driving seat. You will have no claim to the domain should the $^!t hit the fan.

Maybe I'll have to marry a Canadian woman to give me citizenship.

***mwzd*** · 08-18-2008, 04:23 PM

As I see it, that is the same problem that will cause roadblocks in the growth of all restricted ccTLDs.

While logical in providing names for their countrymen, they lose out on global significance.

Why I stay out of some ccTLDs that I like - couldn't be bothered with the headache.

Len · 08-18-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by mwzd

As I see it, that is the same problem that will cause roadblocks in the growth of all restricted ccTLDs.
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While logical in providing names for their countrymen, they lose out on global significance.

Why I stay out of some ccTLDs that I like - couldn't be bothered with the headache.

I understand what you are saying but there is the other view that ccTLD's are intended for use by the particular countries to which they are assigned. To restrict them to those who reside in the country encourages their use by businesses and individuals within the country in question.
In the case of .ca's, these domains were never intended to be collected and sold like baseball cards by domainers.

GF · 08-18-2008, 05:58 PM

In my opinion, it's to .ca's detriment that people outside of Canada can't register their domains.

**mis_chiff** · 08-18-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by DragonADR

Hello,
go to alldomainregistrar.com we offer .ca registration for non Canadian Residents, we use our contact address for this.
If you have questions or need more information, please send me a PM or via the site alldomainregistrar.com

DragonADR

What makes you so special?
Do you have something that says you can do this?
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Like a CIRA accreditation?

weblord · 08-18-2008, 06:53 PM

more likely like that since afterwards you can't change the registrant's name

Originally Posted by GF

Maybe I'll have to marry a Canadian woman to give me citizenship.

whitebark · 08-18-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by GF

In my opinion, it's to .ca's detriment that people outside of Canada can't register their domains.

Not at all. It's what gives it most of its worth. There is more to a domain name than flipping for a profit or parking.

GF · 08-18-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by whitebark

There is more to a domain name than flipping for a profit or parking.

Absolutely - Most of my income is based off of developing domains. I have a few development ideas that would work only on .ca domains. I have no interest in flipping them.

metronome · 08-20-2008, 12:54 PM

searching google and stuffs.
found http://www.sgnic.sg/newsroom/20080801104848.html

guess it is 5 SGD for the first year, some even offer less for like 2.5 SGD, but hmm, what I know is they need credit card (there is another way like bank transfer etc, but no paypal)

not sure about singapore proxy requirement tho for the offer.

**mis_chiff** · 08-20-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by DragonADR

Hi,
the registrant will be our contact, that's the way we are doing the .ca registrations. The way we have to do it to be legal. But you will receive the Cira's confirmation mail including the acces codes for your Domain(s). And the admin, billing and technical contacts will all go on your contact names.
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I hope this helps ;-)

DragonADR

Legal in whose books?? Yours?? IT IS NOT LEGAL!

you might want to get your information corrected!
Here's the number for CIRA 1-877-860-1411
Tell them what your doing, and please post the reply
that makes it legal for you to buy .ca domain's for people
who would normally not meet the requirements.

**mis_chiff** · 08-20-2008, 04:34 PM

By changing the contact (not registrant name) to a 3rd party.
(which is what you're doing)
Is not allowed, you are knowingly registering domains
for people who you know do not qualify.

You don't think if it was allowed I'd have done it 2 years ago?
I jumped right on that bandwagon and was quickly shot down.
Believe me, I researched this well, and was in constant
communication with CIRA to see if there was away around it
There isin't!!!
Call that number and ask!

shockie · 08-20-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by DragonADR

We are in regular contact with the guys from CIRA and we plan to get registered at CIRA very soon...

did the guys from cira say you could do this, and what do you mean by planning on getting registered?

800ml · 08-20-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by GF

In my opinion, it's to .ca's detriment that people outside of Canada can't register their domains.

You are absolutely correct, keeping .ca restricted is really a sad state of affairs that many seem not to understand, keeping .ca restricted is like saying Foreign investment capital is not welcome in Canada, it is like saying please don't invest in Canada, please don't develop .ca properties, please don't try to find any new opportunities here, we can do it all by ourselves, well ... you can't if you want Canada to stay competitive globally. The less people participate in the .ca market, whatever that may be speculating, trading, developing, ... the smaller that market is, the less it is liquid, its basic Economics really.
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Are .co.uk, .es worth less because they are open?

There really must be a good reason for the restriction, haven't heard it yet though. I hope CIRA wakes up sooner rather than later, for the good of everyone.

shockie · 08-20-2008, 09:27 PM

in terms of world economics, there are reasons for restricting trade listed at the bottom there, that will sort of give you an idea of why trade might be restricted.

as it applies to .ca directly, consider .ca domains to be virtual property. ottawa wouldn't/shouldn't allow unrestricted investing of canadian land by foreigners for a plethora of reasons, and some of these apply to .ca.

800ml · 08-21-2008, 02:09 AM

shockie, that is a great domain you pulled up, just what we need to support and further a discussion on this topic. Any argument which supports the premise of restriction is welcome by me, because i haven't heard a clear convincing argument yet, of how and why a restriction benefits Canada or Canadians, short long term
The link to reasons for restricting trade definitely have its purpose however i fail to see how they apply to domains. The general trend in global economic policy in most countries is moving to eliminate tariffs and barriers to trade.

Do you think part of the reason for registration restriction is coming from the fear that foreigners will buy out all of Canada's good land and there will be none left for the poor Canadians? An analogy that comes to mind is that of US buying out part of Mexico long time ago, and now foreigners can't own land 50 miles from the border of mexico.

homebuyer · 08-21-2008, 03:14 AM

The rules are here:

http://cira.ca/en/faq-menu-cpr.html#q1

I think the issue is who is the registrant (who is going to drink the beer?) You want to look at substance over form. Otherwise, I bet there are a lot of kids out there who would like you to buy them some beer this weekend.

What about if I go out to the store tonight, and a kid asks me to buy him some beer, and then hands me ten dollars, which I accept; do I actually have to give him the beer to be culpable? What if, in the alternative, I just hold the beer for him until he has a buyer for it?

staffjam · 08-21-2008, 04:26 AM

I was wondering if there is anything stoppoing me from buying a .de name off someone and then having my friend who is a german resident listed as the administrative contact, which i believe should meet the requirements. Or have i missed something out here?

RTM mentioned "but you should carefully read the legal terms and consider the risks accordingly..."

What are the risks involved here - does anyone know??

testingyou · 08-21-2008, 04:42 AM

As I see it the risk is that your friend could steal it from you

whitebark · 08-21-2008, 04:54 AM

.ca is a Canadian ONLY brand that Canadians know and use. To open it up only dilutes that brand. Opening it up would only benefit domainers. Anyone (Canadian or not) wanting to run a business on a .ca can - it's easy to meet CIRA requirements in that regard.

***mwzd*** · 08-21-2008, 07:11 AM

Hey Roy, thanks for weighing in.

Could you clarify what is legal and what's not? For eg. is the suggestion in this thread of a proxy reg legal?

Would be better to have some clarity on this.

shockie · 08-21-2008, 07:48 AM

@oyster: you're right in that the general trend is more trade / less restrictions, but there are some industries that will undoubtedly not be open and limits will exist no matter what (i.e., military).

yes, i do think that part of the reason for registration restriction is that .ca ultimately belong to canadians. thankfully cira / canadian government isn't broke to the point where they have to open its doors to foreign domainers.

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@homebuyer: i like the beer analogy.

@roy: i've never thought about the .ca brand idea (until now). you're right though, and real businesses can establish their canadian presence if they're serious about it. higher registration fees + barriers of entry = more value to each .ca.

**mis_chiff** · 08-21-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by DragonADR

To miss_chiff: We are specialized in ccTLD's and we have lawyers and specialists checking all possibilities we can have and evaluating the risks we can run to. All customer registering a .ca with us is checked by CIRA, we registered many Domains during the last month and there was never a problem. Next to .ca we offer many other "restricted" ccTLD's, you can check the list of those on our page at http://www.alldomainregistrar.com/wh...ainchecker.php so I can say that we have a certain experience in handling those.
I can understand that certain countries have restrictions protecting their Domains but I also quite don't understand why those countries block other companies or Projects to get into any relation in this respective country. A controlling would make much more sense than not allowing Domain Registrations.
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DragonADR

I can understand that registries

Quote:

If you don't have a local Presence, we can provide one for you.

That quote is directly from your site!
.ca's are different from your other ccTLD's
and your "lawyers" should have told you that,
3rd party registrations are not allowed on .ca's PERIOD!
and becoming a certified .ca seller, won't help either!

homebuyer · 08-21-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by DragonADR

To miss_chiff: We are specialized in ccTLD's and we have lawyers and specialists checking all possibilities we can have and evaluating the risks we can run to.

If only it were that easy - I am a lawyer, therefore what I say is right. Every time I appear in court one lawyer wins, and the other one loses.

whitebark · 08-21-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by mwzd

Hey Roy, thanks for weighing in.
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Could you clarify what is legal and what's not? For eg. is the suggestion in this thread of a proxy reg legal?

Would be better to have some clarity on this.

I've asked CIRA three separate times to clarify that issue and they responded all three times with mealy-mouthed answers that did everything but answer the question!

mis_chiff though it appears did get a firm answer from them and the answer was not good for those looking to do it that way.

But all is not lost for non-Canadians wanting to use a .ca. Register as an LLC in Canada and off you go. It will cost money, but if you are using the domain to make money, it's all part of the cost of doing business!

Malaysia · 08-22-2008, 05:27 AM

Cheapest reseller to register .sg is webvisions.com bout 1.80USD only!

08-18-2008, 04:23 PM	#202 (permalink)
*mwzd* Extension Agnostic Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,933 Follow @mwzd	As I see it, that is the same problem that will cause roadblocks in the growth of all restricted ccTLDs. While logical in providing names for their countrymen, they lose out on global significance. Why I stay out of some ccTLDs that I like - couldn't be bothered with the headache. __________________ Domain Names for Sale \| High Value Domain Brokerage \| Domain Consulting \| Domain Blog Professional WebSite Development \| Bulk Pro MiniSite Development

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metronome NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: AllPurposes.com Posts: 489	searching google and stuffs. found http://www.sgnic.sg/newsroom/20080801104848.html guess it is 5 SGD for the first year, some even offer less for like 2.5 SGD, but hmm, what I know is they need credit card (there is another way like bank transfer etc, but no paypal) not sure about singapore proxy requirement tho for the offer. __________________ YOUR PARENTS LIE! You deserves FREE monthly passive income doing NOTHING!!

08-20-2008, 09:27 PM	#214 (permalink)
shockie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,702	in terms of world economics, there are reasons for restricting trade listed at the bottom there, that will sort of give you an idea of why trade might be restricted. as it applies to .ca directly, consider .ca domains to be virtual property. ottawa wouldn't/shouldn't allow unrestricted investing of canadian land by foreigners for a plethora of reasons, and some of these apply to .ca. __________________ - shockie

08-21-2008, 03:14 AM	#216 (permalink)
homebuyer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,068	Who is the Registrant? The rules are here: http://cira.ca/en/faq-menu-cpr.html#q1 I think the issue is who is the registrant (who is going to drink the beer?) You want to look at substance over form. Otherwise, I bet there are a lot of kids out there who would like you to buy them some beer this weekend. What about if I go out to the store tonight, and a kid asks me to buy him some beer, and then hands me ten dollars, which I accept; do I actually have to give him the beer to be culpable? What if, in the alternative, I just hold the beer for him until he has a buyer for it? Last edited by homebuyer; 08-21-2008 at 03:24 AM.

08-20-2008, 04:34 PM	#211 (permalink)
mis_chiff Membership Director Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,207 Follow @mis_chiff	By changing the contact (not registrant name) to a 3rd party. (which is what you're doing) Is not allowed, you are knowingly registering domains for people who you know do not qualify. You don't think if it was allowed I'd have done it 2 years ago? I jumped right on that bandwagon and was quickly shot down. Believe me, I researched this well, and was in constant communication with CIRA to see if there was away around it There isin't!!! Call that number and ask!

08-21-2008, 02:09 AM	#215 (permalink)
800ml Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: namer.ca Posts: 213	shockie, that is a great domain you pulled up, just what we need to support and further a discussion on this topic. Any argument which supports the premise of restriction is welcome by me, because i haven't heard a clear convincing argument yet, of how and why a restriction benefits Canada or Canadians, short long term The link to reasons for restricting trade definitely have its purpose however i fail to see how they apply to domains. The general trend in global economic policy in most countries is moving to eliminate tariffs and barriers to trade. Do you think part of the reason for registration restriction is coming from the fear that foreigners will buy out all of Canada's good land and there will be none left for the poor Canadians? An analogy that comes to mind is that of US buying out part of Mexico long time ago, and now foreigners can't own land 50 miles from the border of mexico.

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staffjam NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 883	I was wondering if there is anything stoppoing me from buying a .de name off someone and then having my friend who is a german resident listed as the administrative contact, which i believe should meet the requirements. Or have i missed something out here? RTM mentioned "but you should carefully read the legal terms and consider the risks accordingly..." What are the risks involved here - does anyone know?? __________________ Buy Domain Names â€“ 9i.com, 3J.com, ZB.org, Foob.com, Wodo.com, Sixth.com â€“ These are just a few of the great names on offer at namecake.com (Click below) Buy Domain Names Solar Garden Lights Virtual Reality Games Last edited by staffjam; 08-21-2008 at 04:35 AM.

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08-21-2008, 04:54 AM	#219 (permalink)
whitebark Part-Time Zombie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,495	.ca is a Canadian ONLY brand that Canadians know and use. To open it up only dilutes that brand. Opening it up would only benefit domainers. Anyone (Canadian or not) wanting to run a business on a .ca can - it's easy to meet CIRA requirements in that regard. __________________ *DOT CA DOMAINS DEMYSTIFIED!* Coupon Code \| Green Business Directory \| Zombie Movies Download BONG OF THE DEAD Today!

08-21-2008, 07:11 AM	#220 (permalink)
*mwzd* Extension Agnostic Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,933 Follow @mwzd	Hey Roy, thanks for weighing in. Could you clarify what is legal and what's not? For eg. is the suggestion in this thread of a proxy reg legal? Would be better to have some clarity on this. __________________ Domain Names for Sale \| High Value Domain Brokerage \| Domain Consulting \| Domain Blog Professional WebSite Development \| Bulk Pro MiniSite Development

08-21-2008, 07:48 AM	#221 (permalink)
shockie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,702	@oyster: you're right in that the general trend is more trade / less restrictions, but there are some industries that will undoubtedly not be open and limits will exist no matter what (i.e., military). yes, i do think that part of the reason for registration restriction is that .ca ultimately belong to canadians. thankfully cira / canadian government isn't broke to the point where they have to open its doors to foreign domainers. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=507107 @homebuyer: i like the beer analogy. @roy: i've never thought about the .ca brand idea (until now). you're right though, and real businesses can establish their canadian presence if they're serious about it. higher registration fees + barriers of entry = more value to each .ca. __________________ - shockie

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