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09-01-2008, 04:23 PM
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    | They will never tell anybody they disciminate against anything. The backlash if that got out would be earthshattering. If Google said they have a bias against .TV domain, that would effectively hamstring the extension. I look at the data. Your datapoint is good, but until I find a .TV ranked in the top 5 for a high search term - I 100%, .TV that do rank well in Yahoo, don't rank well on Google for high search terms |
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09-01-2008, 05:28 PM
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# 3 for travel + videos is travelvideo.tv # 3 for Italy + video is travelvideo.tv # 2 for Mexico + video is travelvideo.tv #1 for cooking + video is ifoods.tv #1 for recipe + video, ifoods.tv Maybe this is irrelevent (two words etc), but these two are doing something right. | ||||
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09-01-2008, 06:37 PM
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| Sure they are targeting low competitive, low search volume terms. Not many seaches for keyword video just like low searches for keyword tv http://estibot.com check the ajax tool there I'm looking for a term with volume (1000 searches a month) with a .TV in the top 5. SEO experts and large site operators typically don't target keywords that don't show up on Wordtracker or Overture. Most companies focus their efforts here. It is those keywords that matter. Those are the keywords that drive .com value. Those are the keywords that would drive keyword value for .TV. Our sites #1 banquet facilities #1 event catering #1 termite inspections #4 videographers and more. We get low-mid $XX,XXX a month is revenue from free traffic we get because our .COM and .NET sites are highly ranked. I'm not Frank Schilling, but I think our SEO knowledge is a proven quantity - and I can't get one .TV in the top 10 pages even Officiants.TV which is #1 on Yahoo for keyword "officiants". Oh it is #1 for "officiants tv". Worthless. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 It is easier to get ranked for a keywords not on the list because most SEO experts use Wordtracker or Overture to define their metatags and descriptions. The other keywords are VIRTUALLY ignored, unless you have a very specific niche you are targeting or if you are targeting local traffic.
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09-01-2008, 10:30 PM
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Google webmaster tools treats .TV as g/sTLD/neutral TLD. I'm not sure why Google would have bias against any extensions including .TV domains. Even the webmaster trends analyst for Google said all extensions are ranked and treated same. Also, in order to have a .TV ranked in the top 5 for a high search term, it will depend on corporate end user(s) using .TV, quality of the contents added to the sites, backlinks, etc, and optimizing the site in Google search engine while competing against some/many others who are also spending a lot of money on ad, have many backlinks, already established and aged, good quality contents, etc. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 I think there are many competitions for high OVT/wordtracker words... many who are spending a lot of money, optimizing, adding quality contents, backlinks and so on. .TV is ccTLD, but I don't think it's being treated as one in Google from the few facts I've gathered recently. Therefore, I don't think it's about .TV. It's about competing your site, regardless of whether it's .TV or not, against other giants who have already established themselves for the keywords in Google. But then again, I'm not an expert on SEO yet, and I can only give opinions derived from my limited knowledge and experience.
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09-01-2008, 11:07 PM
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Our ad spend in wedding is in the top 5, in wedding officiants - we are #1. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 We have been able to get every wedding/event domain we own in the top 4 for whatever category we choose. Provided it is a .COM or .NET. I guess we have just gotten lucky. I don't know what I'm doing. I have no experience with SEO. A good read for all. It is about my former company and how we ran our business http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/35/ideas2.html
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09-01-2008, 11:22 PM
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Don't get me wrong, but I'm only trying to find some positive points for .TV as we have vested interest in the extension and the development aspect of it (some little and some much more than others). In other words, I'm not trying to go against you or disagree with you, but rather hoping to work together to see what can be the underlying causes for some .TV sites to have hard time ranking in google se... and how we can come up with a solution. Best wishes
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09-02-2008, 12:14 AM
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| I've gotten our sites top position by doing nothing that is suggested by any industry pubs about SEO or recommended by Google. Like what I said, I read Sergie's thesis, bought .COM and .NET domains, and drove traffic to the sites. Now I run a site somewhat similiar to Google. Our leads are very competitive. We only sell to a max of five advertisers. Sometime we have 15-20 advertisers wanting the lead. So I have to have an algorithm to make sure folks get quality businesss and that businesses get access to our leads ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 So I'm the architect of our matching algorithm. Other than myself, no one else in the company has a clue how to get an advertiser an advantage. At my previous company, the algorithm was very complex - I actually simlplified it for the new company. So when an advertiser calls and asks how they can get access to the leads, the customer service folks have some rough guidelines to gain an advantage. In fact, we tell everyone the same set of guidelines in our documentation. It is no secret, but it doesn't tell the whole story. But I don't want to tell anyone how to "game" our system. If I did, then our quality suffers. So those guidelines, while a little helpful, are a piece of the puzzle. Engineers don't to leak out too much information when they think people are going to "game" their system. I chose to understand, what it means to be a quality content site in Google's world. Why is hotels.com ranked ahead of travelocity, expedia, orbitz, and a host of other travel category killers. That was the search term I studied after reading the Google thesis. That study is key to really understanding SEO.
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09-03-2008, 02:57 AM
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| Stoneroses told me last night of a well searches & competitive term that has a .tv as no.1 google result: Search term 'Liverpool' Result 1: www.liverpoolfc.tv Also 2 more with less search volume; Search term 'Five' Result 1: www.five.tv ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 One more i just noticed Search term 'Live Football' Result 1: 'www.free-football.tv' I have no explanation on what they are doing to get themselves top Google ranking but obviously there is a way. I'm not going to go through every popular .tv and post their google ranking but i posted a few just to show it is happening and maybe you guys much smarter than me can work out why from looking what these sites done different.
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09-03-2008, 03:22 AM
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great work - let's work it out! ps similar detective work going on in this thread on .info
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09-03-2008, 03:28 AM
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 Now if you guys work out how to crack this problem then i'll come back at a later stage and claim ALL the credit.  | ||||
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09-03-2008, 07:42 AM
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| In US, five TV is #7, but that is still very good. That is what I needed to study the problem. Thank you. That is what I was looking for was data. This is very important to helping us. These are high search terms. A .TV is ranked on page one. Now the people who are having issues should study these two sites.
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09-03-2008, 10:40 AM
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| Not sure if this information will help. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 I'm searching from Ireland so I guess the positions will be different from other countries. I thought that maybe how old the site is (year of registration) might be a factor so included that to. Keyword - Position - Google Monthly Searches - Year of Reg - Site Fuse - No.1 - 1 Million - Reg '02 - (Fuse.TV) Stuff - No.3 - 11 Million - Reg '06 - (Stuff.TV) Fuel - No.2 - 5 Million - Reg '03 - (Fuel.TV) Bollywood - No.9 - 1 Million - Reg '02 - (Bollywood.TV) Hollywood - No.10 - 9 Million - Reg '04 - (Hollywood.TV) Supernatural - No.5 - 370,000 - Reg '05 - (Supernatural.TV) Bid - No.7 - 670,000 - Reg '00 - (Bid.TV) Teachers - No.10 - 2.7 Million - Reg '03 - (Teachers.TV) God - No.9 - 7.5 Million - Reg '02 - (God.TV) Kangaroo - No.9 - 370,000 - Reg '02 - (Kangaroo.TV) |
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09-03-2008, 10:48 AM
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| shocko. I'm actually starting to buy more into the year of registration being the issue. With my tests, I bought primarily old .COM and .NET domains that had been around the block, but parked for a couple years Based on the feedback about the webmaster tools - I began to discount the ccTLD theory and focus more on the registration date. The oldest .TV domains are I own are 2005 regs. If fresh regs are the issue, while not directly related to .TV domains - it means develop your .TV sites quickly because you have to wait to get them indexed, out the sandbox, and on the playing field. I appreciate everyone's time on this. It is important and I think alot of great research has been done to support the cause. Obviously if reg date is the issue, there is nothing than can be done - but develop and wait. IMHO that is also positive for end users, because while their sites my suffer out of the gate - there is hope and promise in the light at the end of tunnel
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09-03-2008, 11:27 AM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 After reading your posts i did indeed do a little research which i passed onto Ronnie  ,which i am glad he posted,Anyway there are also a couple of other searches like.. bid ( bid.tv # 3) darts.tv ( planetdarts.tv #1) . So i think you and Shocko may be spot on in that it is age not the extension that may cause this. I have been busy developing a Geo lately,so it will be interesting to see just how long it takes to get it to Google front page. I am no SEO expert but i think i will now look at taking steps to make sure i optimise my site correctly to try to speed up the process.
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09-03-2008, 11:44 AM
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| I appreciate your help on this. I wanted to know if .TV could rank well - answer found. And if so, what does it take to do so. While the second question is still unanswered, I don't think we will ever know. However, the date makes ALOT of sense now that a couple other pieces of information (webmaster tool, high ranking .TVs) have come into play. |
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09-04-2008, 12:09 AM
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| in the similar .info thread thread, they are looking at a whole lot of variables. eg. Spain.info gets to #2 for spain but it has some impressive SEO stats PR: 7 Google Indexed Pages: 293,000 Yahoo Backlinks: 44,393 Alexa Rank: 20890 Created: 2001 Registered Until: 2017 perhaps also if a .tv domain is a $500 or $5000 premium, you are unlikely to want to register it for 10+ years - the length of time you're regging into the future might be another .tv issue?
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09-04-2008, 12:27 AM
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| Yep, I agree. I read that age of the domain is another factor in google seo.
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10-11-2008, 05:45 AM
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| ahhhhh! it that horrid thread again what will not go away... well cotingham.tv is now on page 7 of google if you just type "cottingham" why is this...i think because i was wrong and ronnie was right thoo i hate to say it.... i think wordpress helps and age of the website... we live and learn!
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10-11-2008, 06:16 AM
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 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 I have told you this before but i'll say it again: Sort out your SEO or you will never get great rankings. Here is your meta tags: <meta name="author" content="Ian Court"> <meta name="description" content="Because I can."> <meta name="keywords" content="ian court, courty, the usual suspects, shoe pie, newquay, i geek therefore ipod> What is above is a pure mess, total nonsense from whoever built your site (Ian Court possibly?) If you dont know how to sort your meta tags & keywords out then ask your webdesigner (though not the one who told you not to ever use .tv's as he is an idiot  )I'm more than happy to help you out, i can send you some decent Meta tags, keywords, descriptions that you just need to insert into your site, it will make a major difference trust me. For a quick, easy beginners guide to basic SEO then go to: www.development.tv/index.php?showtopic=37 The reason other sites rank much better than you is NOT down to .tv, it's that they are doing all the right things to get a high ranking when right now you are now. I'm not having a go though Hull's, you have done well to get things up & running & to get the sites listed. It is a learning curve for us all, especially when you are new to being a webmaster. Keep up the good work, your making progress all the time. This time next month you can be on the 1st page of Google results. Ronnie | ||||
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10-11-2008, 06:38 AM
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| i wondered before about the age of .tvs as a possible reason (high renewals = low amount of years regged into the future). on second thoughts - this is probably not so much of a factor. none of my .com, .org etc sites are regged for more than a year, and many are on page 1. (tv's at page 20 or something...)
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10-11-2008, 06:49 AM
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| i am doing this site myself but the meta tags must be who ever had the theme i will change this....only last year i could not even build a site... the fact its on google as it is is a good sign.. my shop site i am not doing as you know i have got a webdesigner for that ! but i think co.uk is better for a local village shop..what i am..then dot tv dot tv works for geo ,tv related....but not local village shop no!, my site address is in the local village times.and above the shop so i am trying to get dot tv out there! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 well i dont think anyone should listen to anything i say on this subject as i am just learning...but the fact i know very little about building websites and my site is on google page 7 and getting higher is good news...
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10-11-2008, 07:04 AM
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| if it's a wordpress site just add the all-in-one SEO pack. it gives you little areas to add in meta tags, description etc. quite easy to do a little, and get a lot
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