.BIZ - The OFFICIAL Discussion, Sales Report and Showcase Thread! - Page 9

seeker · 04-26-2009, 05:25 PM

I dont think google has anything against .biz
Just poor SEO IMHO.

.biz can make it, and it has the added advantage of being a gTLD that is very specific.

steveteva · 04-26-2009, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by seeker

I dont think google has anything against .biz
Just poor SEO IMHO.

.biz can make it, and it has the added advantage of being a gTLD that is very specific.

I was sure to have an answer similar to yours, no, Google algorithm will put .com, .net in front of all other TLD, this is not a guess or theory but REAL

You can spend same budget, efforts, marketing, SEO on a .biz and and .com, you'll always end up with the .com ranking higher. The.biz will be low ranked.
Google focuses on dot com. With the worse dot com (longlongbutkeyword.com) you still get higher ranking simply because it's a dot com.

seeker · 04-26-2009, 05:46 PM

with all due respect I disagree.
And this isnt about .com, its about ANY gTLD.
Its all about
1) Content
2) SEO
3) domain keywords

That is as far as google is concerned, not market perception.

Steven · 04-26-2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by steveteva

I was sure to have an answer similar to yours, no, Google algorithm will put .com, .net in front of all other TLD, this is not a guess or theory but REAL
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/499908-biz-official-discussion-sales-report-showcase.html

You can spend same budget, efforts, marketing, SEO on a .biz and and .com, you'll always end up with the .com ranking higher. The.biz will be low ranked.
Google focuses on dot com. With the worse dot com (longlongbutkeyword.com) you still get higher ranking simply because it's a dot com.

Every gTLD has equal chances.

Google focuses on content and user satisfaction (+seo), not .com.

Here's my conversation with Webmaster Trends Analyst at Google

Quote:

We generally treat all top level domains the same except for
geographic targeting of ccTLDs. "Misusing" some of those country-code
TLDs could result in a website ranking slightly better in that country
(which might not be the desired outcome :-)). Domains using generic
TLDs can use the geographic targeting feature in Webmaster Tools, if
desired. We don't view any gTLDs better than others - a site
using .info can and generally will rank just as well as a site
using .com provided all other factors are the same.

steveteva · 04-26-2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by seeker

with all due respect I disagree.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=499908
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=499908
And this isnt about .com, its about ANY gTLD.
Its all about
1) Content
2) SEO
3) domain keywords

That is as far as google is concerned, not market perception.

Originally Posted by Steven

Originally Posted by steveteva

I was sure to have an answer similar to yours, no, Google algorithm will put .com, .net in front of all other TLD, this is not a guess or theory but REAL

You can spend same budget, efforts, marketing, SEO on a .biz and and .com, you'll always end up with the .com ranking higher. The.biz will be low ranked.
Google focuses on dot com. With the worse dot com (longlongbutkeyword.com) you still get higher ranking simply because it's a dot com.

Every gTLD has equal chances.

Google focuses on content and user satisfaction (+seo), not .com.

Here's my conversation with Webmaster Trends Analyst at Google

Quote:

We generally treat all top level domains the same except for
geographic targeting of ccTLDs. "Misusing" some of those country-code
TLDs could result in a website ranking slightly better in that country
(which might not be the desired outcome :-)). Domains using generic
TLDs can use the geographic targeting feature in Webmaster Tools, if
desired. We don't view any gTLDs better than others - a site
using .info can and generally will rank just as well as a site
using .com provided all other factors are the same.

Ok, I don't want to debate here on these. Sure that most people still believe what you said but as SEO expert, they will never promise you a dot biz, info, ... other than dot com to get high ranked with all the big budget you'll put simply because they are experienced professionals and know what's real and what's not. Believe me or not Google algorithm is very complex and YES they don't treat all TLds as same as dot com.

Steven · 04-26-2009, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by steveteva

Ok, I don't want to debate here on these. Sure that most people still believe what you said but as SEO expert, they will never promise you a dot biz, info, ... other than dot com to get high ranked with all the big budget you'll put simply because they are experienced professionals and know what's real and what's not. Believe me or not Google algorithm is very complex and YES they don't treat all TLds as same as dot com.

but...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=499908
I've just written above that gTLDs are ranked the same according to an analyst working for Google.

steveteva · 04-26-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Steven

Originally Posted by steveteva

Ok, I don't want to debate here on these. Sure that most people still believe what you said but as SEO expert, they will never promise you a dot biz, info, ... other than dot com to get high ranked with all the big budget you'll put simply because they are experienced professionals and know what's real and what's not. Believe me or not Google algorithm is very complex and YES they don't treat all TLds as same as dot com.

but...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=499908
I've just written above that gTLDs are ranked the same according to an analyst working for Google.

This is analyst bla, bla, bla.

Show me a .biz or other tld (info, ws, us, .pro...) well ranked on competitive keywords, even on first page of Google.

Dot com is king.

Why do you think domainers are buying, snapping, selling...(from$1.00 to hundred thousand USD) dot com even those long and awful ones? Because chance are they could be ranked high in Google.

Steven · 04-26-2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by steveteva

This is analyst bla, bla, bla.

Show me a .biz or other tld (info, ws, us, .pro...) well ranked on competitive keywords, even on first page of Google.

Dot com is king.

Why do you think domainers are buying, snapping, selling...(from$1.00 to hundred thousand USD) dot com even those long and awful ones? Because chance are they could be ranked high in Google.

Google is looking for the satisfaction of consumers when they are using the search engine. They are constantly revising SE algorithm because there are people who find the cracks in the search engine algorithm and use it to their advantage. This means that non-relevant and unsatisfactory information can be ranking high for a particular keyword. Consumers do not like it period. Content is the king. People are looking for relevant information.

Why do I think domainers are buying, snapping, selling dot com?
There can be many reasons, but if they buy .com thinking that it will be ranked high in Google just because it's a .com, they're mistaken.

I can give you some examples like Justin.TV, Ustream.TV ranking higher than their .com counter parts.
I'll tell you why .biz of a particular name may not be ranking higher than its .com counter part. It's probably because when all the factors are considered (server location, backlinks, sitemap, unique content and etc), that particular .biz site may have lacking in the SEO factors area when compared to the .com one and rank lower.

steveteva · 04-26-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Steven

Google is looking for the satisfaction of consumers when they are using the search engine. They are constantly revising SE algorithm because there are people who find the cracks in the search engine algorithm and use it to their advantage. This means that non-relevant and unsatisfactory information can be ranking high for a particular keyword. Consumers do not like it period. Content is the king. People are looking for relevant information.

Why do I think domainers are buying, snapping, selling dot com?
There can be many reasons, but if they buy .com thinking that it will be ranked high in Google just because it's a .com, they're mistaken.

I can give you some examples like Justin.TV, Ustream.TV ranking higher than their .com counter parts.
I'll tell you why .biz of a particular name may not be ranking higher than its .com counter part. It's probably because when all the factors are considered (server location, backlinks, sitemap, unique content and etc), that particular .biz site may have lacking in the SEO factors area when compared to the .com one and rank lower.

This is a bad example sir, I didnt said that dot TV was not Google favorite but all other tlds except .com, .net, .tv, .org .edu all others TLDs are not so important to Google "eyes"
Not agree with you when you say : "I'll tell you why .biz of a particular name may not be ranking higher than its .com counter part. It's probably because when all the factors are considered (server location, backlinks, sitemap, unique content and etc), that particular .biz site may have lacking in the SEO factors area when compared to the .com one and rank lower."
Already said that take 2 domain names that are identical: widgets.com and widgets.biz put as same effort on SEO (backlinks, site map....) now guess who's the winner? I bet you what ever you want, .com will be the winner.

Steven · 04-26-2009, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by steveteva

This is a bad example sir, I didnt said that dot TV was not Google favorite but all other tlds except .com, .net, .tv, .org .edu all others TLDs are not so important to Google "eyes"
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=499908
Not agree with you when you say : "I'll tell you why .biz of a particular name may not be ranking higher than its .com counter part. It's probably because when all the factors are considered (server location, backlinks, sitemap, unique content and etc), that particular .biz site may have lacking in the SEO factors area when compared to the .com one and rank lower."
Already said that take 2 domain names that are identical: widgets.com and widgets.biz put as same effort on SEO (backlinks, site map....) now guess who's the winner? I bet you what ever you want, .com will be the winner.

Hmm
Well... for Widgets.com vs Widgets.biz...
When everything is the same, they have an equal chance.
But ofcourse, I have to account for the duplication of contents.
Whichever one was second in posting up the content would be penalized.

**enlytend** · 04-27-2009, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Already said that take 2 domain names that are identical: widgets.com and widgets.biz put as same effort on SEO (backlinks, site map....) now guess who's the winner? I bet you what ever you want, .com will be the winner.

As Steven said above, that's a test you can never fairly do because if the content is identical, one of them will get penalized for duplicate content (should be the 2nd one Google finds, but that's not always the case).

Practically speaking, things will never be "equal". If you can build a site on a .net or a .info or a .tv or a .biz that's more interesting to the search engines than the corresponding .com, you'll outrank it. If you have one of the 10 pages they find most relevant for a particular keyword, you'll be on the 1st page.

FWIW I have quite a few sites on keyword domains that outrank their respective .com's for their name (among other things), including ones that have had a steady hold on the #1 spot. I also have a .biz domain with first page rankings for certain targeted keywords (it would never rank for it's own name without a lot of work because its a foreign-language domain name with English language content).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=499908

This is NOT one of mine, but here's a good example. For the search games industry on Google - 75,000,000 results, what's #1 (and #2)? You'll also find it (and a few other .biz sites) on the first page for a number of related keywords. Even better, try game industry - you'll see the .biz (with the plural) outranking the .com with that exact name out of 81,000,000 results.

SDX · 04-27-2009, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by enlytend

This is NOT one of mine, but here's a good example. For the search games industry on Google - 75,000,000 results, what's #1 (and #2)? You'll also find it (and a few other .biz sites) on the first page for a number of related keywords. Even better, try game industry - you'll see the .biz (with the plural) outranking the .com with that exact name out of 81,000,000 results.

Case and Point!

steveteva · 04-27-2009, 01:44 PM

Ok reading your post and I will conclude that none take my defense, all think that dot biz can be high ranked if putting efforts on SEO...

If I own a dot biz chances are that can be on first page of Google! This gives me hopes but still not convinced.

sdsinc · 04-27-2009, 02:20 PM

There are so many reasons NOT to register .biz domains

But I don't think SEO should be your primary concern.

nicedomains · 05-03-2009, 07:25 AM

I found a nice, true product .biz on ebay the other day. I just couldn't resist for the price

HotSauce/biz

***EG.domains*** · 05-03-2009, 06:55 PM

Some .biz auctions ended today on NameJet:

businesscards $1,450
ticket $1,400
payments $621
battery $610
hybrid $410
festivals $305
developers $270

developers at $270 was a good IMO.

Also, businesscards sold for $1,121 on NameJet last year.

steveteva · 05-03-2009, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by EG.domains

Some .biz auctions ended today on NameJet:

businesscards $1,450
ticket $1,400
payments $621
battery $610
hybrid $410
festivals $305
developers $270

developers at $270 was a good IMO.

Also, businesscards sold for $1,121 on NameJet last year.

BusinessCards.biz for $1450 WOW that was a great deal.

*Archangel* · 05-03-2009, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by steveteva

BusinessCards.biz for $1450 WOW that was a great deal.

Or is it? I dunno how lucrative the business card market is.

sdsinc · 05-04-2009, 07:22 AM

Imagine how much the .com counterparts would fetch.

nicedomains · 05-04-2009, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Archangel

I dunno how lucrative the business card market is.

Really? Ya, come to think of it most business people I know prefer giving me their name, number and email address on a napkin.

lincolndsp · 05-04-2009, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by nicedomains

Really? Ya, come to think of it most business people I know prefer giving me their name, number and email address on a napkin.

and can people searching for "business cards" really look for business credit cards?

SDX · 05-04-2009, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by lincolndsp

and can people searching for "business cards" really look for business credit cards?

Could very well be!

lincolndsp · 05-05-2009, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by SDX

Could very well be!

then this explains a lot why the domain has fetched good money.

nicedomains · 05-05-2009, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by lincolndsp

then this explains a lot why the domain has fetched good money.

Honestly, I doubt it. It's a great name and perfect extension for a business card printing company. That is why it went so high IMO. The domain is parked with business card printing, letterhead printing and flyer keywords. The whois is private. For all we know a reseller/investor bought it at that price.

seeker · 05-08-2009, 11:43 AM

Gurus.biz sold for $750 at Sedo.

Good price for the current economy, could have gone for more down the line.

04-26-2009, 05:25 PM	#201 (permalink)
seeker Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,168	I dont think google has anything against .biz Just poor SEO IMHO. .biz can make it, and it has the added advantage of being a gTLD that is very specific. __________________ Seek and you shall find!

04-26-2009, 05:46 PM	#203 (permalink)
seeker Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,168	with all due respect I disagree. And this isnt about .com, its about ANY gTLD. Its all about 1) Content 2) SEO 3) domain keywords That is as far as google is concerned, not market perception. __________________ Seek and you shall find!

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steveteva TelShowcase.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: hawaii Posts: 1,321	Ok reading your post and I will conclude that none take my defense, all think that dot biz can be high ranked if putting efforts on SEO... If I own a dot biz chances are that can be on first page of Google! This gives me hopes but still not convinced. __________________ █ Mobile Simulator

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sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,943	There are so many reasons NOT to register .biz domains But I don't think SEO should be your primary concern. __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists

05-03-2009, 06:55 PM	#216 (permalink)
*EG.domains* GenericDomainMarket.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,801	Some .biz auctions ended today on NameJet: businesscards $1,450 ticket $1,400 payments $621 battery $610 hybrid $410 festivals $305 developers $270 developers at $270 was a good IMO. Also, businesscards sold for $1,121 on NameJet last year. __________________ ► Generic & Premium Domains for sale!

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05-03-2009, 07:25 AM	#215 (permalink)
nicedomains NamePros Expert Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,207 Follow @NameTalent	I found a nice, true product .biz on ebay the other day. I just couldn't resist for the price HotSauce/biz

05-04-2009, 07:22 AM	#219 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,943	Imagine how much the .com counterparts would fetch. __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists

05-08-2009, 11:43 AM	#225 (permalink)
seeker Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,168	Gurus.biz sold for $750 at Sedo. Good price for the current economy, could have gone for more down the line. __________________ Seek and you shall find!

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