3character.com drops LLL.mobi again - Page 2

WGS_Thunder · 08-03-2008, 07:30 PM

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scandiman · 08-03-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Judging by the thread title I would think it would be obvious.

judging by the fact I don't recall you posting much if anything about the increases for mobi I sense an ulterior motive, ongoing discrediting of .mobi whenever and wherever you can.
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Originally Posted by labrocca

We are discussing the latest valuations for LLL.mobi's since the update of 3character.com yesterday. Sorry if this thread isn't happy news about mobi.

I'm neither happy or unhappy about this "news" since I don't invest in commodity LLL .anything.

Originally Posted by labrocca

If there is flame bait here it's your post. I don't have to justify what I post or where I post it to you. If I feel like discussing mobi till my fingers bled I will. Got that!

I'll continue to share my observations... Got that!

snoop · 08-03-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

judging by the fact I don't recall you posting much if anything about the increases for mobi I sense an ulterior motive, ongoing discrediting of .mobi whenever and wherever you can.

I feel a bit silly having to state something so obvious, but it is the exact opposite of your situation,
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Some people are .mobi cheerleaders (yourself, keithmt etc).
Some are .mobi naysayers (labrocca, myself etc).

Not much point complaining some people don't like the extension and discredit it, that is obvious.

mjnels · 08-03-2008, 08:12 PM

what do i qualify as?

-REECE- · 08-03-2008, 08:18 PM

a realist

Originally Posted by mjnels

what do i qualify as?

Seriously, I don't get this whole 3character thing at all... The guide is royally off on many values it gives. The guide on .mobi has been messed up for months...
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edit: Just took a look at the new guide... Much better than it's been in awhile.

scandiman · 08-03-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

I feel a bit silly having to state something so obvious, but it is the exact opposite of your situation,

Some people are .mobi cheerleaders (yourself, keithmt etc).
Some are .mobi naysayers (labrocca, myself etc).

Well if you have read all my comments about .mobi and mTLD in the various domain forums you'd know I'm fairly critical about a lot of things related to .mobi. But nor do I ignore the positives either. I see both the opportunities and the problems related to .mobi. For now the opportunities far outweigh the problems IMO. Maybe at some point that will change, never know.

If someone recognizes the value proposition of .mobi and it's relation to the growing mobile web, AND they are interested in commodity LLL domains then this report is showing good news IMO. That's assuming such a person sees buying opportunities as good news.

I can't get enough investment advice from Warren Buffet, I read a recent quote from him: "If a stock [I own] goes down 50%, I'd look forward to it. In fact, I would offer you a significant sum of money if you could give me the opportunity for all of my stocks to go down 50% over the next month."
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Why on earth would he say such a thing? Because he wants to own more of the companies he is invested in and lower pricing makes that easier for him to do. He flocks to what scares other people away.

Time will prove if .mobi can be what I think it can be. No guarantees.

Originally Posted by snoop

Not much point complaining some people don't like the extension and discredit it, that is obvious.

I'm glad to see an admission that people are out to discredit .mobi. Thanks for being honest about it. Still confused why people want to spend their time doing that, there are lots of extensions out there I don't have any interest in but I don't go around beating them up whenever possible. But I respect how you spend your time is your prerogative.

Originally Posted by WGS_Thunder

labrocca 1 scandiman 0

Not sure what you're trying to keep score of but I hope you enjoy yourself doing it.

DomainTalker · 08-03-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

How about right here at NP? These sold at the auction just 2 days ago for $1050. That's $65 each as the highest bid. Unfortuanetly seems like seller is pulling out of the deal but that's not the important part. The important part is that mobi enthusiasts weren't all that willing to bid it up higher.

Well, I'd say that the fact that these LLL.mobi's didn't actually sell for $65 each is an important point...

The seller didn't sell at that price...And, he's posted that he had a higher offer...So, the $65 sale level is not a basis for putting a case about .mobi LLL value...

It also apparently means that some other 'mobi enthusiast' was willing to bid it up higher (albeit after auction), after all.

Another way to look a price fluctuations and value, is to recognise that all markets, in everything, go up and down....Is the fact that the sharemarket is currently down in value mean that investing in shares is a waste of money?....Many would say when the market is down is precisely the time to invest in shares - because they are very likely to recover in value - and profits are to be made...Its only a matter of investment price-timing.

Similarly, with .mobi...

No one argues that prices are not down for .mobi...The real issue is whether you believe that prices for .mobi will recover - and, if so, when - and by how much...

...The rest is just noting passing price fluctuations....Interesting - but not the main game, imo.

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Originally Posted by snoop

Some are .mobi naysayers (labrocca, myself etc).
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Not much point complaining some people don't like the extension and discredit it, that is obvious.

...Not much point in complaining about something that belongs to the future, just 'cos you can't see it in your rear-view mirror, either...

.

labrocca · 08-03-2008, 09:00 PM

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I can't get enough investment advice from Warren Buffet, I read a recent quote from him: "If a stock [I own] goes down 50%, I'd look forward to it. In fact, I would offer you a significant sum of money if you could give me the opportunity for all of my stocks to go down 50% over the next month."

I am not sure Buffet is a good example to base from. He does incredible research before any purchase. Just his investment alone usually will prop a company up. He can also afford to be on any board of directors, take controlling interest, and run the company himself. So..unless one of you can usurp mTLD I don't think that quote does very well for us. And on a side note to this..I think some of you could run mobi better than mTLD.

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judging by the fact I don't recall you posting much if anything about the increases for mobi I sense an ulterior motive, ongoing discrediting of .mobi whenever and wherever you can.

My motives are simple. I like to argue. I don't gain monetarily from my argument...I just like to do it. However it's obvious that some here are trying to prop up mobi since they do have a motive...to keep the market alive and save their portfolio's.
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Time will prove if .mobi can be what I think it can be. No guarantees.

Care to go on the record for when that might be? Don't think I won't dig up 5 year old threads to make my points. In years to come when mobi does shake out (one way or another) we have a complete history here of the arguments. I think that's GREAT. We learn from history, our experience and from each other. You can't imho get more fun than that.

thebiffenator · 08-03-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

I feel a bit silly having to state something so obvious, but it is the exact opposite of your situation,

Some people are .mobi cheerleaders (yourself, keithmt etc).
Some are .mobi naysayers (labrocca, myself etc).

Not much point complaining some people don't like the extension and discredit it, that is obvious.

I wouldnt exactly call him a cheerleader, Scandi is heavily involved, and a great asset to .mobi....

if anything....I would call Scandiman a team player or captain of a team.

Originally Posted by snoop

I feel a bit silly having to state something so obvious, but it is the exact opposite of your situation,

Some people are .mobi cheerleaders (yourself, keithmt etc).
Some are .mobi naysayers (labrocca, myself etc).

Not much point complaining some people don't like the extension and discredit it, that is obvious.

One more thing you are missing another categlory! Hecklers

Who are they in this community?

snoop · 08-03-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by mjnels

what do i qualify as?

Here is a simple test, look at the sig.

You don't have a link to Why.mobi in your sig so that is a good sign for starters, though you do have something that appears to be reference to .mobi. I'd say about half way between the center and cheerleader.

PVFARKAS · 08-03-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

You can't imho get more fun than that.

yeah, great way to spend a weekend...um..you should get out more

Labrocca: - 1

thebiffenator · 08-03-2008, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Here is a simple test, look at the sig.

You don't have a link to Why.mobi in your sig so that is a good sign for starters, though you do have something that appears to be reference to .mobi. I'd say about half way between the center and cheerleader.

Definition of Cheer Leader http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheerleader

Now does this qualify Mjnels? especialy since Mjnels doesn' t have why.mobi in his sig? Or are you assuming Mjnells is a cheerleader.....?

Now could you be a cheerleader yourself for the opposing team? (since we are talking sport terms now, I guess we will call .mobi a sport)....... Are you activly involved with .mobi snoop? (This means owning names...and list the names that you own to confirm Please)
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Let me know if I am wrong...but does a cheerleader particpate in the actual game? or does a cheerleader just get the crowd all hyped up?

From my knowledge Mjnels has been been a teamplayer and heavily involved in this (Sport/Game)

The other option is.... are you (snoop) trying to be like Buffet and waiting to buy the names after your cheerleading is done?

snoop · 08-03-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by thebiffenator

Definition of Cheer Leader http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheerleader
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Probably a more appropriate definition,

"2. One who expresses or promotes thoughtless praise; an adulator."

http://www.answers.com/cheerleader&r=67

Originally Posted by thebiffenator

]Now could you be a cheerleader yourself for the opposing team?

What am I cheerleading for? I'd describe myself as a .mobi naysayer myself,

"someone with an aggressively negative attitude "

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/naysayer

"To oppose, deny, or take a pessimistic or negative view of: They will naysay any policy that raises taxes."

http://www.answers.com/naysayer&r=67

thebiffenator · 08-03-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Probably a more appropriate definition,

"2. One who expresses or promotes thoughtless praise; an adulator."

http://www.answers.com/cheerleader&r=67

Back up your comment snoop

why is MJ thoughtless and an adulator?

I won't even ask what my role is from your humble oppinion

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But you can tell me from facts and observation, I would really like to know.

Originally Posted by snoop

Probably a more appropriate definition,

"2. One who expresses or promotes thoughtless praise; an adulator."

http://www.answers.com/cheerleader&r=67

What am I cheerleading for? I'd describe myself as a .mobi naysayer myself,

"someone with an aggressively negative attitude "

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/naysayer

"To oppose, deny, or take a pessimistic or negative view of: They will naysay any policy that raises taxes."

http://www.answers.com/naysayer&r=67

I appreciate your honesty snoop

snoop · 08-03-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by thebiffenator

Back up your comment snoop

why is MJ thoughtless and an adulator?

What comment am I to back up?, I said he was "half way between the center and cheerleader."

Originally Posted by thebiffenator

But you can tell me from facts and observation, I would really like to know.

Hint, read what I said about sigs...

thebiffenator · 08-03-2008, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

What comment am I to back up?, I said he was "half way between the center and cheerleader."

Hint, read what I said about sigs...

So if MJ didnt/did have why.mobi in the sig...then that's the difference between a center and a cheerleader or halfway? I got why.mobi in my sig, does that make me a cheerleader?
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Also please define your term of center. I am just curruous

And I do repsect your perspective snoop. I am just trying to figure out why you dislike .mobi so much.

labrocca · 08-03-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by PVFARKAS

yeah, great way to spend a weekend...um..you should get out more

Labrocca: - 1

Ain't that some truth! +1 for you

mjnels · 08-03-2008, 10:25 PM

haha.. well coming from snoop ill take it as a compliment.

i am optimistic about the future of .mobi (and internet on mobile devices in general of course) but im also pretty realistic when it comes to talking about the present and short term future .mobi aftermarket........ i also have a functional crystal ball.

DomainTalker · 08-03-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

I'd describe myself as a .mobi naysayer myself,

Like I said.....Not much point in complaining about something that belongs to the future, just 'cos you can't see it in your rear-view mirror...

Originally Posted by snoop

"someone with an aggressively negative attitude "

...Tell someone who cares, snoop....Listening to you naysayer guys is like listening to a CD track stuck in an endless-loop sticky-finger spot...
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...Even Old Guard, fine domainers have their blind spots, I suppose...That's okay...But, I ain't following road directions from a sight-impaired navigator.

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snoop · 08-03-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by thebiffenator

I got why.mobi in my sig, does that make me a cheerleader?

Yes it is a good sign, people with why.mobi and loads of .mobi names in their sig are presenting a sales pitch, and most salesman never says anything bad about their product, they just want to people to buy. Whens someone suggests to them the product might be awful, they react badly.

thebiffenator · 08-03-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Yes it is a good sign, people with why.mobi and loads of .mobi names in their sig are presenting a sales pitch, and most salesman never says anything bad about their product, they just want to people to buy. Whens someone suggests to them the product might be awful, they react badly.

But I am not trying to cheerlead, those sites are developed (some are getting moved to another server..therefore 2 or 3 are down temporily) But I am gaining PR from the links/more hits ect.... and only driving more traffic.

Traffic does drive the web around? Last I heard it did

ANd if someone browses NP's forum or any other forum then (why would it be wrong for me to have why.mobi as a sig? and my sites on my sig) When I invested in my investment?
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Everything is about Money let's not BS our selves here! But I am not a cheerleader nor are the others that you labled a tag on (But maybe we could be at the same time?) Anyway We are simplly being creative and smart and choosing our own objective in this mad world, and to monetize the best we can to live the best we can!

Now what is the role of the naysayer? IMHO a naysayer is to prove .mobi enthusiast wrong because of fear for their own investments? But IMHO I think the naysayer is trying to drive down the price of .mobi because they see its potential value. It's life Snoop, its a Doggy Dog world, each one of us has to be the best we can be! No offense but everyone is out for them selves out there including both sides.

Amen

snoop · 08-03-2008, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by thebiffenator

But IMHO I think the naysayer is trying to drive down the price of .mobi because they see its potential value.

Doesn't make much sense to me, if they thought that they'd be buying. I think the reason why .mobi naysaying is so popular is because prices went up so much after the flowers.mobi sale, so alot of people perceive it as having been overpriced in the past as compared to other new extension. I'd say that is also the reason for much of the cheerleading aswell, people hoping for another rise like the last one. When something is volatile it attracts interest.

thebiffenator · 08-03-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Doesn't make much sense to me, if they thought that they'd be buying. I think the reason why .mobi naysaying is so popular is because prices went up so much after the flowers.mobi sale, so alot of people perceive it as having been overpriced in the past as compared to other new extension. I'd say that is also the reason for much of the cheerleading aswell, people hoping for another rise like the last one. When something is volatile it attracts interest.

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Yawn... ANyway I got to go to bed, I will be back tommorrow.

Take care snoop

-Biff

scandiman · 08-03-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

I am not sure Buffet is a good example to base from. He does incredible research before any purchase. Just his investment alone usually will prop a company up. He can also afford to be on any board of directors, take controlling interest, and run the company himself. So..unless one of you can usurp mTLD I don't think that quote does very well for us.

Wow, declining investment perspectives from Warren Buffet, that's a road I'd rather not travel.

Originally Posted by labrocca

And on a side note to this..I think some of you could run mobi better than mTLD.

Regarding some details I tend to agree with you on this point.

Originally Posted by labrocca

My motives are simple. I like to argue. I don't gain monetarily from my argument...I just like to do it.

That's refreshingly honest compared to the bogus altruistic claims made by others.
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Originally Posted by labrocca

However it's obvious that some here are trying to prop up mobi since they do have a motive...to keep the market alive and save their portfolio's.

I buy more than I sell right now so it hurts me to prop up anything. Besides I'm really not into this for domain flipping but for developing commercial mobile web sites. That's not to say I haven't sold any or won't sell more in the future.

Originally Posted by labrocca

Care to go on the record for when that might be? Don't think I won't dig up 5 year old threads to make my points. In years to come when mobi does shake out (one way or another) we have a complete history here of the arguments. I think that's GREAT. We learn from history, our experience and from each other. You can't imho get more fun than that.

I've said long ago it will take 3-5 years to get any serious market penetration so for today that reads about 1-3 more years. I expected one big obstacle plaguing mobile web would be resolved by now but unfortunately not. Much needed is a predictable payment gateway that works across devices and carrier networks even just in the USA. Cracking this nut will change the landscape entirely and while a lot of people are trying, it has yet to be solved from what I've seen. For example with PC websites and geodomains it is fairly easy to sign up with an online travel agency and start hosting hotel bookings for a commission but no one supports that in mobile that I've found. Talked with all I can find and no one is even working on it seriously because of the payment problems. Many carriers demand their exorbitant toll. This is just one example of the roadblocks of bringing pay per performance affiliate systems to the mobile space. It will eventually be solved and change everything as far as mobile web monetization beyond merely advertising. In the meantime I expect increased awareness of .mobi by the mobile web using public. Still a lot more to do though.

labrocca · 08-04-2008, 02:10 AM

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Now what is the role of the naysayer? IMHO a naysayer is to prove .mobi enthusiast wrong because of fear for their own investments? But IMHO I think the naysayer is trying to drive down the price of .mobi because they see its potential value.

That's just wow! So you're saying that naysayers think mobi has potential value and are just fearful for their dot com's? Ugh...no don't think so. I still invest heavily in the non dot-com arena. It's easier to find bargains at this point. If I saw ANY potential in a mobi I would buy it. I have registered 2 mobi domains this year. rickroll.mobi and rickrolled.mobi. I view the Marketplace as often as I view here and I just don't see anything that's a bargain and worth development (for me at least). I keep TRYING to like mobi but my straight up gut instinct says it's not working as they have planned.
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Why.mobi? Why indeed?

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Wow, declining investment perspectives from Warren Buffet, that's a road I'd rather not travel.

When Warren Buffet offers me advice I take it. When a forum member quotes something out of context I ignore it. That's the road I travel.

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