I removed the term "bulls balls" since it seems that people are focusing on this term rather than responding to the statements. I dont know if this is a case of immaturity or just friendly banter, but certainly people are focusing on the wrong thing.
My only real point is that we should not bash members for being negative. Some people will always see the glass as half empty, but they are still entitled to their opinions - and I for one am interested in all opinions, even those that I dont agree with. That is, after all, how we grow.
..and I have removed the other part of the anatomy as well because this is and should be not only friendly banter but a learning experience also.
I guess I will just maintain Shakespeare's quote when replying to Snoop's stay the course opinions of the extension. Hopefully you will afford me the same courtesy that you do to him.
My point is that constructive criticism is what builds and Snoop has yet to be constructive since his appearance on the .tv forum. Don't mind his negativity so much as his lack of creativity when justifying his reasons. They are too few and at times just plain old yesterday. In essence, he is a few years in the past with no eye toward the future. But yes, his opinions, regardless how antiquated they are becoming, should not be stifled.
Thanks, Kuba, for putting away the "toys" and getting back to an intelligent exchange of ideas.
As for you, Snoop, "methinks thou protesteth too much"
Last edited by freedom30 : 07-24-2008 at 02:32 AM.
Snoop I think you need to do more research on core .tv players and people that have prime names like discovernow. A few core people here have huge names and fetch some major dollars. The geo owners like Sanchay, bryan has a few, local, Johntv, Richard, roy and etc
So before you jump down someones throat and trying put Jim on the spot on an offers only thread basically.
Lovely how you turn yet another thread around snoop! Good job.
I started the first offer at $100 for Photos.tv and will go from there once there are other bids that are higher. If you ever bought a name before either through sedo, etc., you will understand how this works. For example, I bought Ladies.tv last week for $220. Do you think I should of started the bid at $5,000 instead? Snoop I am not trying to be mean but maybe you should take a business class or learn from others who had success in the industry.
Remember, never judge a book by it's cover because you don't know what is really going on with each person.
Snoop, I started investing in .tv in 2000 and I have done very well. Many non believers had to "eat there words" so to speak. I don't need to rub it in on you but you will learn. Snoop, I just think you may be a little naive.
1- bull balls was funny- lets lighten up a bit- we got what you said- just that its been said, i dont know how many times already.
2- snoop is not naive- not in the slightest.
3- this has gotten so old. so so so old. the PURPOSE of this subforum is for people who want to have, learn more and grow .tv. it has stated in the rules since day 1-
You don't like .tv? great keep your posts in General Discussion this is a subforum for people who do like .tv
so, to be clear- people can bash .tv all they want, in the general discussion area. this is pretty clear- so easy a toddler can follow these instructions. as a mod on another forum, one would think that snoop would be aware of checking other forums rules. that is not what this forum was set up for, like it or not. there IS both sides posted in here, on a regular basis, by people who are interested in how to work it- not just dump it. you can walk into an apple store, and no matter how much you rant that you think windows is better, they are not going to close up shop and start selling windows.
if one more person says we need to hear this kinda crap, to keep the forum balanced, to get our heads out of the clouds, i am gonna scream. it is easy to make a post without reading the countless posts where these issues are being discussed, over and over.
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Just thought I would remind people what this thread was all about. Thanks to the gentleman called Snoop we've been led down the path of off-thread territory once again.
As Smash so rightly points out. Perhaps this gentleman would be kind enough to put his (other place) moderator head on before doing the same again.
As for the US economy, it's up SH£T Creek without a paddle...
...just as it was in 2000 (dot-com bubble), 1991 (loss of production to overseas comps), 1981 (increase in fuel prices as aftermath of Iran revolution), 1973 (OPEC fuel price increase and final costs of Vietnam War), 1952 (little recession to allay inflationary pressures created during Korean War), 1929 (the Great Depression), 1918 (post World War One drop in production at same time as labour market increased with returning soldiers) - and on and on, all the way back to the so-called Panic of 1797, when the fledgling United States had massive real estate price problems and merchants and bankers were unwilling to lend each other money.
Does this all sound VERY familiar?
The US (and the Western World in general) is always travelling between two places - the one we find ourselves in now (up SH£T Creek without a paddle) and the other (you've never had it so good). It is a matter of simple economics - and it will never change.
The main question should really be how long will it last - and will it affect our sector of the economy (.TV and internet TV related websites).
Sadly, the answer is that the recession may not be over as quickly as we'd all hoped. There is still a lot of cleaning to be done before the toxic waste that created the 'credit crunch' in the first place (and it's follow-on mini-crunches) will finally be removed.
Estimates range from the optimists claim of Spring 2009 to the pessimists 2013 at the earliest.
BUT one thing is certain - it will be removed and the route to 'you've never had it so good' will begin all over again.
The next phase, however, is easy to see. All you have to do is have a look around. Are people beginning to lose jobs? Are people less confident? Are local shops being built or closing down? Are people have more or less holidays? And most importantly to this thread... Are prices going down? and Are people beginning to 'offload' things?
If you see any of these - it's not a 'collapse' of an economy, its a natural readjustment, just as winter is needed to create spring and summer.
The fundamentals for the strength of the US really are still in place. I won't list any of them, except one... Where is the smartest person in any country in the world most likely to want to go to 'be the best' in any of the 'future' industries like computing, medicine, aeronautics, etc? Is it to any of the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India and China) that the naysayers and moaners and knockers say are going to take over the US - or is it the USA itself, the place with the greatest economy in the world?
As for the momentary effects for our industry. Yes, there will be people who will, for reasons most likely outside of the .TV sphere, have to sell up their portfolios. Indeed, we have seen it already.
There will also be those who will, like myself, look at the inventory they have and prioritise. What to develop, what to keep, and what to pass on to others to make good with.
One thing we haven't seen is a lowering of prices. The fact (and anecdotal evidence) is that TV names seem to be only on the increase. And that's not even mentioning the upping of premiums (something that supports the strength of the market and has NOTHING to do with selling ENOM).
So, if prices are not lowering, but the market is being flooded with names that have been let go for other reasons, then there are most certainly opportunities to be had. And anyone wanting to increase their quality name presence (like me), or just get a toe-hold in the market has a perfect window of time to do so.
This final point is very private to my life, but stresses the new realities we are faced with in the West. Contrary to what many believe I only began buying up .TV names in large numbers in MAY of this year. Yes, I have probably one of the largest TV.com collections, but my .TV names only really got going less than three months ago. But already I have good news.
In the 'real' world I am in the process of selling the house my father lived in before he died a few weeks ago. To make the sale quick, I decided to sell at January 2009 prices, so I dropped the price by 15% from what people think it is worth today ('worth' does not sell in a down market, discounts do). I've now got a sale, but it took effort.
In the .TV world I have seen my fledgling portfolio take in offers over 300% higher than it cost to create.
A simple savings account would pay only 5% or so.
So, to be brief...
US economy = far from collapse, tough going but necessary readjustment
Individuals economy = hit hard, prices on the up, self-assessment needed
Local economy = loss of jobs, house prices down, cash-strapped.
.TV economy = more names coming to market, prices upward, premiums upward, percentage returns up.
Enjoy this mini-world. As I was told by my economics teacher many years ago - in the 1930s depression many people, for the first time in their lives, lived like kings, because they were in the right place at the right time. And that is where I firmly believe we are. Not based on hope, but real facts.
Last edited by Jimbojimbo : 07-27-2008 at 08:18 AM.
The American Character that formed this great nation, IMHO, is gone and lost forever.
When I am out and about and I look around at the young men and women of this country, sadly, I see character that will never develop enough to allow America to recapture its greatness. To the contrary, they will be the driving force that will usher in America the 3rd world country.
These same fears come out in EVERY generation in nearly every country on the planet.
You need to go 'out and about' a bit more across the US. You'll find some great future looking people who know how to get things done smarter than the people who came before.
Did anyone live thru the late 60s and early 70s. Trust me, the 70s were much worse than today in the US. We may get there, but not even close yet.
The problem with the youth is too much commercialism. The music is as bland as McDonald's. Where are the next generation of Roger Waters, Pete Townsend, Bruce Springstein, etc (I realize I named two Brits). Music was a large portion of my life. Pink Floyd, Rush, Yes, Zep, Aerosmith, etc.
These kids don't think, they don't feel, their lives are too comfy.
Disney Channel is what is wrong with the youth. Eliminate that - problem solved.
More like Hanna Montana, Selena Gomez (Wizards from Waverly Place), Brenda Song and Ashley Tisdale (Suite Life).
I'm sick of finding my 11 year old son and his friends watching TV shows with lots of pretty girls. I mean I watched the Dukes of Hazzard for the plot lines. My friends who are 30 loved Saved By the Bell because it inspired them to greatness.
As I explained to my son, we had 3 channels and kids shows were ONLY on Sat morning.
Go out and play baseball. Bully the class geek. Do something of meaning in your life other than watch pretty girls on TV. You have plenty of time to do that when you are older.
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