Jaco

That's largely because .com is perceived as the US ccTLD, for damn good reason. Just as it makes sense for ccTLD's to blow up in other places, it makes sense that .us wouldn't be very big here, for an array of reasons (a big one being that it was a government-only extension until 2002).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/cctld-discussion/488803-us-sales-report.html

In time, as online marketing platforms get more sophisticated and geotargeting becomes a global thing, you will see .us gain massive traction, and probably, very fast. We're already seeing companies that "get it" (see: woolite.us). Expect to see more in the future.

I doubt that .us will ever reach the level of market penetration that .de reached in Germany; as stated, our ccTLD is perceived as .com and our businesses know that. Still, there is massive, untapped power in the US ccTLD and I'm more than happy to be putting my money where my mouth as, regarding the future of .us.

mwzd

I've been hearing this since i started learning about domaining in 2006 btw.
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Here are the sales data we collated from bido:
Do notice the bankrupt.us sales.

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Bido kinda sucks.
Instead, I'd pay attention to what certain keywords are bringing in drop auctions, and particularly in relation to the sort of prices similarly valued names were bringing not 6 months ago...

I would also note that Pizzeria.us brought a very strong percentage of what pizzerias.com just did. Obviously, the two names aren't 'the same' for a few reasons, but they're similar enough to warrant consideration.

Also, I'd pay attention to our own Wanted forum. Note how many people are actively buying .us names.
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Now, compare that to how many people are actively posting WTB ads for .in.

I'm not saying .us "is there", but I'm saying that this is one tld you may want to examine without bothering to look in the rear view mirror.

DotUSDomains

Well said
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Slowly but surely it's getting there.

Take the opportunity while it's there as it wont be for much longer.

all these keyword nems are going to domainers, so the chances are they wont be sold on again for a long time.
You can always make more money, just the warm fuzzy feeling of selling a .us to and end user for $$$$ when you paid reg fee, ($6.95 ) just wont be there if you miss out

better to have tried, than to look back and say shit i wish i got some nice .us back in the day

Did the first bankrupt sale actually go ahead ?

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bmugford

I am a buyer in this market, and I was not around buying .US several months ago. I am sure there are others in the same situation.

Considering it is the ccTLD of the richest country, the current prices are still far below future potential.

At the same time I have also made some decent .US sales in only the past couple months, and had inquires on many others I own.

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saucey

Richest country? Pffffft! Get your head out of the sand man! Right now the US is one of the poorest country's on the planet.

However, I do agree that .US has potential!

bmugford

Well, the entire world is dependent on the US economy. We might be spending money we don't have, but the GDP of the US is still about the same as the next 4 countries (Japan/China/Germany/France) combined.

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Carlton

HomeSecurity (dot) US closed for $3500 three weeks ago in private sale. Currently under construction.

I've submitted DomainAttorney.US to Bido for no reserve auction. Nice quality domain. It has to be voted on by Bido members and receive enough votes to make it to their daily auction.

I would be interested to know if Namepros members think InternetSecurity.US would generally be worth less, the same, or more than HomeSecurity (dot) US.

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Home Security vs Internet Security

Home Security -

368,000 Exact Searches
352 PPC Sponsors
$6.76 - $9.75 CPC
Term starts 500+ Domains
Term ends 500+ Domains


Internet Security -

201,000 Exact Searchs
231 PPC Sponsors
$3.09 - $4.50 CPC
Term starts 360 domains
Term ends 214 domains

While they are both great domains, from the metrics and cost of products involved I think HomeSecurity.us is at least 2x better than InternetSecurity.us

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DotUSDomains

Agree with brad on this,

It seems home security is a higher searched term, but you never know,

Nice job on the geo's carlton, very nicely done. (custom script ?)

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mwzd

Sure, shoot the messenger won't you.
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You're talking about drops right? I don't see a major change, guess we're looking at different names. You're right though, .us domains that didn't even get reg fee 6 months ago sometimes get 2x reg fee now.

Bido sucks but the NP Wanted section is a barometer for success now? The only reason for your observation above is that currently .us is being pumped (again), while most people are being told to be cautious about .in by almost everyone on board.

I agree .us isn't there, I also agree it has potential, but without the removal of the nexus and the lack of adoption by locals, I don't see this going anywhere anytime soon.

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Nice analysis Brad. Thanks for the input.

Thanks DotUS.
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Miami.biz - Out of box script with customizations
the mobi's - hand coded

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mntor

Good Point. Nexus requirement is the most important drawback atleast from reseller point of view.

b2b

I definitely agree with Samit about .US being artificially pumped, like what happened with LLLL.com, NNNNN.com. It's tends to happen a lot here.

Also, I just want to mention that we shouldn't forget about the powerful .EU extension.
It only came out 3 years ago, and already there are already 191.000.000 indexed sites on google, which compared to .US, that became available to the general public 7 years ago, there are 271.000.000.

So as you can see, .US is more then double the age of .EU, however .EU is growing at a far more substantial speed then .US .

I'm definitely not dissing .US, I have a few myself. And I also know that the majority of people here can't register .EU, well because most of you are American citizens.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=488803

But also, like mentioned in a previous post, .com is considered the American extension.

I just think it's always good not to put your eggs in one basket....

DotUSDomains

A question i asked myself the other day,

if .us was just released last year, same idea as .eu / .asia and so on,

would you think it would top all those other releases ?

If it were released today as the "american" extension i think it would top all others in terms of numbers and sales.

What do you guys think ?

.eu might drop by 60% by the time 7yrs pass, no way to tell what will happen.

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Jaco

I very rarely "flip" names and even rarer yet do I flip US names, since I believe they have great future potential. With that said, the ones I have flipped have done a damn sight better than "2X reg fee"

Regarding drops, I can say that not even 4 months ago, my conversion rate on .us names was around 80% (api snapping), and we're talking 100K+ keywords, cities, etc... Now? It's about 15%. The idea that people would actually pay pool/enom/snap to backorder a .us name was a joke last year. Now? It's pretty much standard for better examples.

No, the np wanted section isn't a 'barometer for success, but it's an accurate, fast snapshot of what people are actually buying in one tiny sliver of the web. Bido sucks for an array of reasons, but that's a topic for another thread.
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No where I go am I seeing people aggressively buying .in names. I am seeing people aggressively buying .us all over the place.

Also, where is it that .us is 'being pumped'?
Quite to the contrary, I think you're seeing a totally naturally realization of value that has been there for a long, long time. I too am a firm believer in the future of .in as well, but I believe .us offers profoundly better mid term potential, for a number of reasons, starting with the fact that we're talking about the ccTLD for the United States, here. There are immeasurable value drivers in that alone.

Regarding "locals" adopting .us, that takes time. We're seeing it improve day by day, year by year. The next big step is marketing theory coming into the 21st century and using ccTLDs in geotargeted marketing campaigns. We're seeing a few companies 'wake up', you can bet more will in the future and when that wave breaks, well, it's good for all country code TLDs, but particularly the ones representing countries where mule drawn wagon isn't still used as a primary method of transport.

hotpink

That is a poor example. You should also display the end results for all the other extensions- they are pitiful as well. It's not the extension that is the problem, but the venue. I love how you cherry-pick your data in an effort to justify a point...

mwzd

Everywhere and by almost everyone with a vested investment in it.

Without a dramatic change in local adoption or nexus policy, any perceived increase in pricing is because you hear a multitude of people in a multitude of locations calling it the 'next big thing', its not.

Value is there, but only if the local populace sees it, which it doesn't. Even the most hardcore .us supporters will agree w/ the general perception that .com is the US cctld.
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Got any data to back this or is this something that you 'feel' is happening based on the 'pumping'?

You're using my own statements made a year or so back to explain the value of cctlds to me? That was said for 'globally available cctlds', .us is not.
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And where do you assume "mule drawn wagon is still used as a primary method of transport"?

Why don't you do the research and show that the .us results at bido are skewed?

And you love how I cherry pick data? Care to show some examples?

I at least don't feel the need to hide behind an alias when calling people out, why don't you do the same?

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There're only three ways to up the popularity of .us domains, and it's not by reselling to other domainers:
1. Develop
2. Develop
3. Develop

I'm as guilty of not doing this as most.

But it doesn't just stop there. The development must include external marketing or some incredible SEO work. And finally, a press release about your site (if your site is worthwhile). You'd be surprised what the media publishes on a slow news day.

Jaco

For christs sake Samit, what is this.... Internet Circa 1997?
Can we please NOT parse down our replies so that individual sentences that each get their own, quid-pro-quo response, which in turn necessitates a similar response and it just gets worse and worse and worse making the conversation more and more difficult to follow since each post is broken down into a schizophrenic array of loosely related threads of logic? Its counterproductive and makes the dialog flow about as smoothly as sandpaper against gravel. I'll reply- once- and hope that we don't have to continue with this idiotic method of communication. If we do, not only will I not reply to such posts, I won't even bother to read them

Well, the beauty here is that we can both place our bets and see how it turns out. I'm not seeing .us "being pumped" and even if it were, I'm probably the least susceptible person in the world to mania influence, so it wouldn't matter to me anyway. What you're calling "pumping" I'm calling a natural realization of value... So, lets make a wager. $1000 usd is fine by me, we can make it more or less if you wish. Both parties can post escrow.

You believe .us is being "pumped" , the obvious outcome of that is prices of .us names will eventually fall. I believe .us has immeasurable headroom, which means that prices of .us names will eventually grow. Lets devise some metrics of calculation, clarify the terms and make a cash wager on the future of .us. I've certainly put my money where my mouth is by buying .us names, lets see if you're so confident in your opinion of .us names to do the same, instead of putting out "opinion" that has no ultimate consequence in the end.

Yeah, we all agree on that. The US was to the internet was it was to almost every other implement of modern civilization and as such, eventually came to wholly define something that was intended to be 'generic'. Still, as is abundantly clear, the shape and direction of the internet is not yet defined.

I remember internet circa 1995, I remember internet circa 2000, I remember internet circa 2004 and here I am at the internet of today. At each point, people claimed that it had all been done and what we were seeing was the final product. At each point, they were incorrect. In this particular case, I believe that the future of ccTLDs is very strong, and that the underlying country they represent will ultimately have an impact. Will the ".com- The US ccTLD" go on forever? I don't think so... The best part is, though, is that there's such an enormous margin of safety in buying a .us name, since keyword relevance is irrespective of TLD (a point on which you and I both agree). Its all about calculating expectation based on both quantitative and qualitative metrics. .us screams "buy (for the keyword weight), develop (for the revenue) and hold (for the TLD to gain better traction)".

It's something I see happening, because I live here. You don't. You have about as much understanding organic matters in the United States as I would of predicting mid-day traffic patters in Delhi.

I just registered in April, so I don't have a clue what you said in 2008. Apparently, you said something I happen to agree with, but believed your statement to be some innovative insight that I must be parroting? LOL. I can assure you that there isn't anything about your posts that has inspired me to go back and "read up" on what you've said in the past.
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Regarding the efficacy of Bido (even though you were replying to someone else), they're sale results. They are what they are. Even the founder of Bido recently said that .us "was on the move..." so if you want to cite Bido as being the harbinger of bigger things, lets start with that. Auction results are the ultimate real time arbiter of value, but venue plays an enormous role in the sort of prices realized. I believe that if Bido keeps yeilding the prices it is, the only thing they're doing for the 'domain community' is presenting an arbitrage opportunity for people smart enough to buy low there and sell higher elsewhere.

EG.domains

Sedo:

key.us $2,550
folders.us $650

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Namebio: TDNAM 8.20.2010> OldWarDogs dotus $555

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midwest.us $550 (1 bidder)
thc.us $350 (1 bidder)
owner.us $310
599.us $200 (1 bidder)

Teens.us auction ended @ $9,999 (reserve not met)

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I will be curious to see what happens with 599.us. I would assume that was not a random acquisition by a domainer and it will be probably be developed by an end-user.

EG.domains

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parts.us $6,500
modems.us $365

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