A lot more sellers than buyers - Page 2

.jd. · 06-24-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by VisionEdger

Its always the domainers / developers that are seasoned and who already made their $$$$ in this industry before now that have th luxury to say its only a temp problem blah blah.

Hey MR. successful domainer with all the $$$$ and sales behind them. Try starting in this business within the last year and see how upbeat and positive you stay! I can stay as upbeat as the next guy WHEN my portfolio is loaded with generic .coms and I already made $$1000's selling them in the past. Lets see how you do now starting as a newbie.
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You would be bitchin just like all us poor domain shmucks that missed the gravy train!!

Please use some type of grammar. I have no idea what this post means.

weblord · 06-24-2008, 09:38 PM

i think so too but then again thinking you're on NamePros.com the #1 forum for domainers so i guess your domain have really to stand out.

Originally Posted by Burano

So, has it always been like this on this forum? I see pages and pages of posts of people trying to sell lists of domains with no responses except themselves

Some of these names are decent too...since I haven't been on this board that long, I was just curious if this was always the case since it's free here. Or maybe your domain just really has to STAND OUT??
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It used to be you could at least make your money back on lower quality domains...seems like those days are over.

Idees · 06-24-2008, 09:41 PM

Does the Oil Industry affect the Domain Industry? YOU better believe it does.

So should we pay attention to other industries? OF COURSE we should.

Originally Posted by VisionEdger

so what?? we are talking about domaining here

**-Nick-** · 06-24-2008, 10:05 PM

Sometime soon the turn is coming round the corner and then it will not be a buyers market.

I am also in a buying mood from last 3 months. Some 5 figures already spent and planning to spend low 4 figures in this month. But yes buyers get choosy and they like what they like. So we see threads where a reg fee type domain goes for high prices and good ones don't gets bidded on. [Different perspectives of looking]

Thanks.

whitebark · 06-24-2008, 10:16 PM

Depends a lot on what you are selling.

The .ca market probably has never been so hot.

raredn.com · 06-24-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by whitebark

Depends a lot on what you are selling.

The .ca market probably has never been so hot.

Agreed, quality is quality, that is what sells easily IMO
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Although .ca market I am not in, but good for those who invested in the right .ca names, if they are doing well

***Corey*** · 06-24-2008, 10:35 PM

All economies have been affected...
the cost of borrowing money is high

Domaining is like any market...it is a buyers market
The Suppy and Demand equation is at work at Namepros

Cheers
Corey

snoop · 06-24-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by VisionEdger

Try starting in this business within the last year and see how upbeat and positive you stay! I can stay as upbeat as the next guy WHEN my portfolio is loaded with generic .coms and I already made $$1000's selling them in the past. Lets see how you do now starting as a newbie.

You would be bitchin just like all us poor domain shmucks that missed the gravy train!!

People who started in the last year began at the peak, they bought high (even if it was buyout names for reg fees) and many will sell low or drop names. There isn't much to be said for them other than they timed it completely wrong and most won't last in the industry.

Many people do have to get it wrong, especially in speculative trading scenarios (llll.com, .mobi, .asia, .eu, all the buyouts after llll.com that had no fundamentals) which is what many bought into, that is how the world works.

The market will come back at some point though, the best time to buy will be marked with people leaving the industry and and general scepticism about the ability to make profits in domaining, I think that time could be a while off yet though. Personally I feel the downturn will last another 6-12 months.

Burano · 06-24-2008, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by dnZoom

Burano -- seems like you're famous!
Sahar picked up on your comment after you posted this:http://www.conceptualist.com/2008/06...mainers/<br /> Just thought you may be interested

Thank you - dnZoom - I had no idea I was opening up Pandora's box, but I couldn't help noticing the increasing trend. So, thought I'd just ask...I did consider some might be angry for stating the obvious. But I think honest discussions lead to better solutions.

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Originally Posted by bobdigital

can you show some to me?
I buy names daily, and so are others.
More and more valueless names are being listed.

I will have to look - as it was just something I noticed a few times. I agree, that its a lot of low quality names for sale...
On that note, I'm selling some decent names for low prices. Though I hate to part w/many of them, if I can't see myself developing them anytime soon, I might as well build a few new relationships here and use the $ to pay for all my other renewals. Another member here has dibs on my current list, but if there are names left that are of some value, I'll let you know.

onlinedomains00 · 06-25-2008, 12:03 AM

cost of borrowing is high? Not true, in Canada, we can get lines of credit for under 5%... the market needs liquidity... money willing to backup solid domain names, then the rest will stabilize in between those names... It is true we would all like to own generics, but we can't all afford to shell out millions, if we can create a common marketplace, where we can buy % shares in those kind of domains, we can create a open market, where liquidity and stability can be had. It will most likely take a moniker or godaddy with another accredited partner to come up with something like this, where trust can be had for all. You need to remember we are in uncharted territory here.

evirtual1 · 06-25-2008, 12:10 AM

domaining is speculating

Beachie · 06-26-2008, 02:56 AM

The quality of domains for sale has been steadily decreasing for the last ten years. The demand for quality domains is as high as ever, there are just fewer and fewer listed for sale. I closed a deal for a just-below-A-grade, generic, one-word .COM this week and the price was outstanding. There are still bargains to be found, but you have to work at it.

qwertyab · 06-26-2008, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Burano

So, has it always been like this on this forum? I see pages and pages of posts of people trying to sell lists of domains with no responses except themselves

Some of these names are decent too...since I haven't been on this board that long, I was just curious if this was always the case since it's free here. Or maybe your domain just really has to STAND OUT??
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It used to be you could at least make your money back on lower quality domains...seems like those days are over.

It's a combination of many factors.

At the moment the business is in a bubble. Just like all speculative markets, eventually the suckers dry up. A really good read on the subject would be "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds".

Unless you have a generic 1 word domain name that a large corporation would want, the value is only what the next person will pay for. When there is an infinite combination of domain names still available, why would I pay $xx,000,000 for a 1 word generic? Same reason google didn't buy the domain search.com. If you want to stand out and you do have a valuable idea, it is better to have a unique brandable domain than a generic.

Using the definition: When your neighbor loses his job, it's a recession, When you lose your job, it's a depression. The U.S. economy is at the brink of a prolonged recession. Everyone knows at least one person who is out of work. The biggest network of Domainers with money to burn are Americans. Not only do they throw the best parties, but they *are* the party. Which means as they leave the party, everything will quiet down.

Domain parking revenue is dropping. PPC is on its way out just like the good 'ol banner ad. There is now enough data which shows most PPC performs poorly and hardly ever translate into sales. At the end of the day, without the sales conversion, advertisers will look elsewhere.

Without PPC, there is no income from parked domains and the cost of carry becomes prohibitive. I've seen some really good domains showing up on the sites auctioning expired domains. I guess some people made their money and are moving on.

We're at the next iterative stage of the internet evolution. I don't know exactly where it's headed. Since the beginning of this year, I've parked several hundred domains at sedo and I now doubt the portfolio will pay for itself. I do realize now, that I've entered the domain market at the tail end of the boom when most of the gravy is gone.

l-l-l.com · 06-26-2008, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Etab

I'm using the opportunity to buy what I can, but it's almost certainly the condition of the economy that has people selling off names. I picked up a LLL .org for only $200 today, for example.

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wow

who on earth was selling tht

well i always think

if their are more buyers then sellers then the price certainly would be 5 times more than wht the prices are today

Steven · 06-26-2008, 05:14 AM

Buy when people are selling.
Sell when people are buying.

Yes, it's a buyer's market, and it's smart to buy now when people are selling good names at cheap(er) price.

Unfortunately, like a number of people out there, I can't afford to be smart

Idees · 06-26-2008, 10:56 AM

Great advice, that's hard to stick too.

Originally Posted by mrdomainman

Buy when people are selling.
Sell when people are buying.

bmugford · 06-26-2008, 10:57 AM

There are always more sellers than buyers. It has always been that way.

mhdoc · 06-26-2008, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by qwertyab

When there is an infinite combination of domain names still available, ...

Have you actually tried to buy a domain for a specific business recently?

gazzip · 06-26-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by bmugford

There are always more sellers than buyers. It has always been that way.

I see it with a slightly different spin, I think there's actually alot more "buyers" than actual sellers.
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eg: most of the names I'v seen posted on DNJournal over the last 2-3 years have been "bought" by domainers in various drops and are still parked, many of them still for sale....including a fair few of mine unfortunately

Looking at all the thousands of names that drop every day and the sales we see listed at various places Domainers are by far the biggest Buyers IMO

...just a thought

.

bmugford · 06-26-2008, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by gazzip

I see it with a slightly different spin, I think there's actually alot more "buyers" than actual sellers.
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eg: most of the names I'v seen posted on DNJournal over the last 2-3 years have been "bought" by domainers in various drops and are still parked, many of them still for sale....including a fair few of mine unfortunately

Looking at all the thousands of names that drop every day and the sales we see listed at various places Domainers are by far the biggest Buyers IMO

...just a thought

.

I am basically referring to end users when I say buyers. There will always be domainers trading names back and forth.

snoop · 06-26-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Beachie

The demand for quality domains is as high as ever, there are just fewer and fewer listed for sale.

I don't think so, in fact a lot of the bigger well known buyers have cut spending to a large degree, the Kevin Ham types. Take a look at who is buying at the live auctions to see, the numbers have thinned.

evirtual1 · 06-26-2008, 07:46 PM

plenty of quality ....... it's the prices

bargaindomains · 07-02-2008, 04:42 PM

funny I was chatting with a pal of mine who is big into domaining - we mentioned how we hadnt seen a thread saying how quiet the domain market is domainer - domainer and domainer to end-user

I put it right down to the credit crunch - without a doubt, sure ppc depletion is a factor but when folks are bombarded (DAILY) via the media about recession recession recession it really kicks in with consumers general mentality

will the domain market recover? - sure it will but the only question is when.
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In recessions folks tend to buy essentials and forego on perceived luxuries - a good domain name isn't a luxury if you want to build an income earing website but I figure what we're seeing is a massive reduction in speculative domaining

yandig · 07-02-2008, 04:59 PM

On the other side of the coin...my sales are about double what they were last year. I think that getting names into the various auctions has helped quite a bit.

I see the economic downturn as an opportunity for alternative investing, and that includes domain names. People will invest less in the stock market in the coming years, in my opinion, as other types of investments become more attractive. Domaining is a way to take control of your investing, rather than letting corporate bigwigs make stupid decisions with your money.

-REECE- · 07-02-2008, 05:33 PM

Back when LLLL.coms hit mid 50s for even the worst there were many newcomers suggesting they would hit $300-$500 within 1-2 years (bringing up some kind of 1/26th LLL.com rule which I'm not exactly sure how it got thought up).

I still find it funny to this day that many people wouldn't consider buying an LLLL.com for $7, yet would later be happy to pay $50+ for that very same name being driven upwards solely by hype. I guess that's the way boom + bust markets work.

Right now everyone is saying oil will never go down in price.. Sounds like domainers 12 months ago questioning whether domains were immune to recessionary times. I have no clue where this herd mentality comes from, however we see it repeated over and over again throughout history.

Originally Posted by snoop

People who started in the last year began at the peak, they bought high (even if it was buyout names for reg fees) and many will sell low or drop names. There isn't much to be said for them other than they timed it completely wrong and most won't last in the industry.

Many people do have to get it wrong, especially in speculative trading scenarios (llll.com, .mobi, .asia, .eu, all the buyouts after llll.com that had no fundamentals) which is what many bought into, that is how the world works.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485238

The market will come back at some point though, the best time to buy will be marked with people leaving the industry and and general scepticism about the ability to make profits in domaining, I think that time could be a while off yet though. Personally I feel the downturn will last another 6-12 months.

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*Corey* Business Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 4,201	All economies have been affected... the cost of borrowing money is high Domaining is like any market...it is a buyers market The Suppy and Demand equation is at work at Namepros Cheers Corey __________________ ☆ Occupy.TV website/domain name for sale!

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onlinedomains00 Account Suspended Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 115	cost of borrowing is high? Not true, in Canada, we can get lines of credit for under 5%... the market needs liquidity... money willing to backup solid domain names, then the rest will stabilize in between those names... It is true we would all like to own generics, but we can't all afford to shell out millions, if we can create a common marketplace, where we can buy % shares in those kind of domains, we can create a open market, where liquidity and stability can be had. It will most likely take a moniker or godaddy with another accredited partner to come up with something like this, where trust can be had for all. You need to remember we are in uncharted territory here. Last edited by onlinedomains00; 06-25-2008 at 12:07 AM.

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Beachie NamePros Irregular Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Western Australia Posts: 392	The quality of domains for sale has been steadily decreasing for the last ten years. The demand for quality domains is as high as ever, there are just fewer and fewer listed for sale. I closed a deal for a just-below-A-grade, generic, one-word .COM this week and the price was outstanding. There are still bargains to be found, but you have to work at it. Last edited by Beachie; 06-26-2008 at 03:01 AM.

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Steven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Namepros.com Posts: 3,456	Buy when people are selling. Sell when people are buying. Yes, it's a buyer's market, and it's smart to buy now when people are selling good names at cheap(er) price. Unfortunately, like a number of people out there, I can't afford to be smart __________________ Domain Name

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bmugford www.DataCube.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,819	There are always more sellers than buyers. It has always been that way. __________________ DataCube.com - Buy and Sell Premium Domains Add Me on Facebook

06-26-2008, 07:46 PM	#47 (permalink)
evirtual1 NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: VampireHire.Com Posts: 6,807	plenty of quality ....... it's the prices __________________ Domain Name Investors Ebook ...perfect gift for the newbies Business Show Watch The Domainers Song Seeking serious offers .. F-X-T.com = Forex Trading

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bargaindomains Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,525	funny I was chatting with a pal of mine who is big into domaining - we mentioned how we hadnt seen a thread saying how quiet the domain market is domainer - domainer and domainer to end-user I put it right down to the credit crunch - without a doubt, sure ppc depletion is a factor but when folks are bombarded (DAILY) via the media about recession recession recession it really kicks in with consumers general mentality will the domain market recover? - sure it will but the only question is when. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485238 In recessions folks tend to buy essentials and forego on perceived luxuries - a good domain name isn't a luxury if you want to build an income earing website but I figure what we're seeing is a massive reduction in speculative domaining __________________ UpMarketDNs.com

07-02-2008, 04:59 PM	#49 (permalink)
yandig Domain Bagger Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Coma Berenices Posts: 3,891 Follow @domainbagger	On the other side of the coin...my sales are about double what they were last year. I think that getting names into the various auctions has helped quite a bit. I see the economic downturn as an opportunity for alternative investing, and that includes domain names. People will invest less in the stock market in the coming years, in my opinion, as other types of investments become more attractive. Domaining is a way to take control of your investing, rather than letting corporate bigwigs make stupid decisions with your money. __________________ Yandig Available Domains

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