Will ICANN allow domains without extension in near future?

labrocca · 06-25-2008, 07:41 PM

Two words:

EPIC FAIL

cityforums.com · 06-25-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Two words:

EPIC FAIL

the other possibility for some: 2 words

GIANT SUCCESS

soggyindo · 06-25-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicray

the other possibility for some: 2 words

GIANT SUCCESS

i guess there will be a bit of both.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/485000-the-domain-industry-about-change-bigtime.html

a few thoughts i find myself thinking:

- i've wasted a lot of $$$/time/energy on my average names that i'm not going to develop
- think that you're at the start of the next boom, not the end of the last
- (besides the wealthy) we'll be the best placed with knowledge to take advantage of this
- much more than LL.coms, these will be the ultimate domains to own
- eventually this will be great for developers looking for good, memorable names for their sites, with more extensions to chose from
- this is terribly swayed towards making the already wealthy much wealthier
- this is the privatization of language

with the latter - i didn't really mind if someone owned "flowers.com" or "health.org" - as these were technical abstractions, just for the internet, that would some day go out of date.

but if people can go and buy "love", "interesting", "life" and whatever...words...i don't know, shouldn't some things be common ownership? it seems the world should tell ICANN: before you start raking in the multi millions - we have prior use over these things...

equity78 · 06-26-2008, 12:31 AM

Prior use of what ? Its called another extension. And let's be honest we have already seen how this experiment has worked.

Has .pro,.jobs,.name,.travel,.coop,.aero,.museum,.asia have any of these hurt .com ? NO anyone who says otherwise has a personal agenda to support nothing else.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000

These are all good word type TLD does even 1/10 of 1 % of the internet population know of them ? NO

There will always be creative people who use a hack or obscure extension to start a business to stand out. They are few and far between.

Then how much is a .sex domain going to sell for ? Not $7 imo probably more like $50 to $100. Plus many different groups will get involved to either have certain extensions not allowed or banned in their country.

Does the average person know about this ? NO Would they care ? IMO NO.

Icann looks like hypocrites because these domains open the flood gates for phishing and the average internet user will be lost and back away. So it will become with VERISIGN leading the movement, "LOOK FOR THE .com SEAL OF APPROVAL. Again IMO

labrocca · 06-26-2008, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Icann looks like hypocrites because these domains open the flood gates for phishing and the average internet user will be lost and back away. So it will become with VERISIGN leading the movement, "LOOK FOR THE .com SEAL OF APPROVAL. Again IMO

And if people are confused they will turn to the trusted dotcom.

equity78 · 06-26-2008, 01:06 AM

Exactly and I can see Verisign leading the charge. People will call their tech savvy relative, "What's .hypocrite ? and the relative will say "Only trust .com/.net/.org hit the back button or delete the email STAY AWAY." Again IMO

james2002 · 06-26-2008, 03:17 AM

I wonder ICANN might say yes to domains without extension near future.

e.g. http :/ / mortgage
http : / / makemoney

etc....

For example,

if you type "mortgage" in address bar, you will be taken to the website which owns "mortgage" domain without extension.

Could it be possible?

What is your reasoning?

soggyindo · 06-26-2008, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

Prior use of what ? Its called another extension.

i just mean if you can have "love" as your company address (no subdomain, no dots, just the word)... if you can 'buy' love as a name.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000

and if all information (tv, news, internet, books) end up going through the ICANN/ internet system....

just seems like a step too far for ownership over language, IMO. the world invented it, so why should you be able to sell it

weblord · 06-26-2008, 03:21 AM

it would be a chaotic world for domainers i hope not.

bmugford · 06-26-2008, 03:30 AM

On the bright side this could make ClownPenis.fart a reality finally!

soggyindo · 06-26-2008, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by bmugford

On the bright side this could make ClownPenis.fart a reality finally!

well, pluses and minuses, obviously

cityforums.com · 06-26-2008, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

And if people are confused they will turn to the trusted dotcom.

Jesse yes .COM will benefit from this confusion overall ... but some .COMs ...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000

mainly PREMIUM .COMs may take a SERIOUS hit, which is probably why the

whole thing has been proposed to begin with.

autotim · 06-26-2008, 08:05 AM

I really think those of you that say that this whole thing is another reason to load up on .coms or that prices of .coms will remain firm/rise .... are missing the point.... these gTLD's will create massive confusion. People will have no idea which extension to type in because they will assume that a) different companies will inhabit different extensions of the same name and b) that big generics will become directories like .shoes or .shopping or whatever..... so search engines will become ever more critical to the average Joe's web experience. Even if you are sitting on shoes.com you've got to be worried about the dilutive effect of the gTLD .shoes on the potential for capital appreciation of shoes.com.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000

At less than 1% of traffic (inlcuding typos), direct naviagtion generally isn't profitable anymore and does not generate annuity type income flows. So domainers will no longer pay 3-8x wholesale for crappy .com DN's. Geo's also look like a big wind-up as google and yahoo let advertisers opt out of parked page sites. It's real simple now - develop or let your DN's die.

OctaneInv · 06-26-2008, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Two words:

EPIC FAIL

This is why I love this guy. Short and sweet.

This is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. Seems like it would be more work too, for ICANN, than profit.

Beachie · 06-26-2008, 08:18 AM

If you need an example of what we can expect, take a look at the history of .TRAVEL - it's one of the most obvious choices for a new extension, if it didn't already exist, yet by last year the company running it was on the verge of bankruptcy.

cityforums.com · 06-26-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Beachie

If you need an example of what we can expect, take a look at the history of .TRAVEL - it's one of the most obvious choices for a new extension, if it didn't already exist, yet by last year the company running it was on the verge of bankruptcy.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000
This means nothing.

Burgers were sold by thousands of others before McDonalds came along.

accent · 06-26-2008, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Two words:

EPIC FAIL

Not sure that I agree .....

..... with the "Epic" part. Travel was supposed to consolidate the travel industry. It has been all but ignored. .Aero was for the Airlines (some overlap there), .Coop for the cooperatives, .Pro for professionals, .Museum for -- you can guess that one. All are going nowhere - indeed how many domainers even know about them?

ICANN will make some money from corporate vanity and a few speculators, there will be some use on the edges, but, overall this is not a major worry. Except that it diverts ICANN't attention from the things that it should be doing. A poster on another board mentioned that China is about to set up their own system using local language (and undoubtedly censorship). UDRPs are taking away legitimate generic domains.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000

ICANN is busy making mudpies.

ride · 06-26-2008, 09:29 AM

Domain market is offically open!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7475986.stm

Peter Dengate Thrush(Icann), said the decision was of "historic importance".

onewordonly · 06-26-2008, 09:45 AM

I'm quite happy with the domain industry now & how they drip feed a new one like .travel etc out every now & then in a controlled manner if you like. If they suddenly open the flood gates & make it a free-for-all circus then anything could happen, it could be positive or it could just be one big mess, most likely the latter.

GoPC · 06-26-2008, 09:54 AM

I don't like where this is going at all. The way I see it, being able to purchase and own a generic extension sucks the value right out of generic .com domains.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000

Now the cyber-Squatting or aftermarket would be fun... but I can't see anything but a monumental devaluation of virtually every domain name out there.

Don't think for a second that the general public isn't going to be bombarded by an education campaign explaining how the new system works... If you want anything Pepsi, just type anything.pepsi and you'll find it.

And keep in mind the BENEFICIARY of this move.... ICANN will experience windfall profits of a now UNLIMITED amount of domains. reg fees and other revenue sources from this move. They have EVERY reason to approve it.

as far as the landrush is concerned... I can't see that working smoothly at all. Lots of arguments and suits regarding use, rights and TMs are probably already being discussed.

This is BAD for our Industry. I hope ICANN see that and not just the Billions of repeat Dollars to be made.

GoPC

SimpleMan · 06-26-2008, 09:56 AM

Sorry folks, but the average person struggles with remembering www._________.com, much less www.___________.____

cityforums.com · 06-26-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by GoPC

I don't like where this is going at all. The way I see it, being able to purchase and own a generic extension sucks the value right out of generic .com domains.

Now the cyber-Squatting or aftermarket would be fun... but I can't see anything but a monumental devaluation of virtually every domain name out there.

Don't think for a second that the general public isn't going to be bombarded by an education campaign explaining how the new system works... If you want anything Pepsi, just type anything.pepsi and you'll find it.

And keep in mind the BENEFICIARY of this move.... ICANN will experience windfall profits of a now UNLIMITED amount of domains. reg fees and other revenue sources from this move. They have EVERY reason to approve it.

as far as the landrush is concerned... I can't see that working smoothly at all. Lots of arguments and suits regarding use, rights and TMs are probably already being discussed.

This is BAD for our Industry. I hope ICANN see that and not just the Billions of repeat Dollars to be made.

GoPC

Billion$ in value will go from the present premium domainers to some rich folks.

A new era is upon us. Everybody's portfolio has just been affected.

bmugford · 06-26-2008, 10:14 AM

I can see .XXX or .SEX being effective, because really they are the only two logical choices for something porn related <SEXACT>.XXX would be easy to remember, however outside that one genre there is no standard.

Will there be a standard for investment companies, mortgage companies, etc? Every other extension like that has basically failed.

cityforums.com · 06-26-2008, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by bmugford

I can see .XXX or .SEX being effective, because really they are the only two logical choices for something porn related <SEXACT>.XXX would be easy to remember, however outside that one genre there is no standard.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000

Will there be a standard for investment companies, mortgage companies, etc? Every other extension like that has basically failed.

Do you think that sex can not set the standard and change the extension

mindset ? ... if they do, its game over for many premium domains.

Frenchiexno1 · 06-26-2008, 10:34 AM

definately bad for domainers - imagine 10million names for traffic to be directed to, and then suddenly this becomes 100million names, the traffic dilutes naturally.

Domaining is driven by supply and demand, and suddenly the supply is about to increase hugely. Why would someone pay 11million for business.com when they could setup the .business name and have best.business / free.business / internet.business etc etc....

I think this is bad news...

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06-26-2008, 12:31 AM	#104 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	Prior use of what ? Its called another extension. And let's be honest we have already seen how this experiment has worked. Has .pro,.jobs,.name,.travel,.coop,.aero,.museum,.asia have any of these hurt .com ? NO anyone who says otherwise has a personal agenda to support nothing else. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000 These are all good word type TLD does even 1/10 of 1 % of the internet population know of them ? NO There will always be creative people who use a hack or obscure extension to start a business to stand out. They are few and far between. Then how much is a .sex domain going to sell for ? Not $7 imo probably more like $50 to $100. Plus many different groups will get involved to either have certain extensions not allowed or banned in their country. Does the average person know about this ? NO Would they care ? IMO NO. Icann looks like hypocrites because these domains open the flood gates for phishing and the average internet user will be lost and back away. So it will become with VERISIGN leading the movement, "LOOK FOR THE .com SEAL OF APPROVAL. Again IMO __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

06-26-2008, 01:06 AM	#106 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	Exactly and I can see Verisign leading the charge. People will call their tech savvy relative, "What's .hypocrite ? and the relative will say "Only trust .com/.net/.org hit the back button or delete the email STAY AWAY." Again IMO __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

06-26-2008, 03:17 AM	#107 (permalink)
james2002 Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,175	Will ICANN allow domains without extension in near future? I wonder ICANN might say yes to domains without extension near future. e.g. http :/ / mortgage http : / / makemoney etc.... For example, if you type "mortgage" in address bar, you will be taken to the website which owns "mortgage" domain without extension. Could it be possible? What is your reasoning?

06-26-2008, 03:21 AM	#109 (permalink)
weblord NamePros Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philippines - www.Nabaza.com Posts: 19,785	it would be a chaotic world for domainers i hope not. __________________ Nabaza.com - Amaia

06-26-2008, 03:30 AM	#110 (permalink)
bmugford www.DataCube.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,819	On the bright side this could make ClownPenis.fart a reality finally! __________________ DataCube.com - Buy and Sell Premium Domains Add Me on Facebook

06-26-2008, 08:05 AM	#113 (permalink)
autotim New Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7	You're missing the point I really think those of you that say that this whole thing is another reason to load up on .coms or that prices of .coms will remain firm/rise .... are missing the point.... these gTLD's will create massive confusion. People will have no idea which extension to type in because they will assume that a) different companies will inhabit different extensions of the same name and b) that big generics will become directories like .shoes or .shopping or whatever..... so search engines will become ever more critical to the average Joe's web experience. Even if you are sitting on shoes.com you've got to be worried about the dilutive effect of the gTLD .shoes on the potential for capital appreciation of shoes.com. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000 At less than 1% of traffic (inlcuding typos), direct naviagtion generally isn't profitable anymore and does not generate annuity type income flows. So domainers will no longer pay 3-8x wholesale for crappy .com DN's. Geo's also look like a big wind-up as google and yahoo let advertisers opt out of parked page sites. It's real simple now - develop or let your DN's die.

06-26-2008, 08:18 AM	#115 (permalink)
Beachie NamePros Irregular Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Western Australia Posts: 392	If you need an example of what we can expect, take a look at the history of .TRAVEL - it's one of the most obvious choices for a new extension, if it didn't already exist, yet by last year the company running it was on the verge of bankruptcy.

06-26-2008, 09:29 AM	#118 (permalink)
ride New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4	Domain market is offically open! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7475986.stm Peter Dengate Thrush(Icann), said the decision was of "historic importance".

06-26-2008, 09:45 AM	#119 (permalink)
onewordonly Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: by the beach Posts: 1,104	I'm quite happy with the domain industry now & how they drip feed a new one like .travel etc out every now & then in a controlled manner if you like. If they suddenly open the flood gates & make it a free-for-all circus then anything could happen, it could be positive or it could just be one big mess, most likely the latter. __________________ Domain Name Coupon Codes for popular registers including: Domain name coupons - GoDaddy.com Coupons - Hosting Coupons ... more

06-26-2008, 09:54 AM	#120 (permalink)
GoPC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,633	I don't like where this is going at all. The way I see it, being able to purchase and own a generic extension sucks the value right out of generic .com domains. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000 Now the cyber-Squatting or aftermarket would be fun... but I can't see anything but a monumental devaluation of virtually every domain name out there. Don't think for a second that the general public isn't going to be bombarded by an education campaign explaining how the new system works... If you want anything Pepsi, just type anything.pepsi and you'll find it. And keep in mind the BENEFICIARY of this move.... ICANN will experience windfall profits of a now UNLIMITED amount of domains. reg fees and other revenue sources from this move. They have EVERY reason to approve it. as far as the landrush is concerned... I can't see that working smoothly at all. Lots of arguments and suits regarding use, rights and TMs are probably already being discussed. This is BAD for our Industry. I hope ICANN see that and not just the Billions of repeat Dollars to be made. GoPC __________________ Just wondering why folks tell you your domain isn't worth reg fee then pay SNAP $70 for your domain...

06-26-2008, 09:56 AM	#121 (permalink)
SimpleMan NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,050	Sorry folks, but the average person struggles with remembering www._________.com, much less www.___________.____

06-26-2008, 10:14 AM	#123 (permalink)
bmugford www.DataCube.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,819	I can see .XXX or .SEX being effective, because really they are the only two logical choices for something porn related <SEXACT>.XXX would be easy to remember, however outside that one genre there is no standard. Will there be a standard for investment companies, mortgage companies, etc? Every other extension like that has basically failed. __________________ DataCube.com - Buy and Sell Premium Domains Add Me on Facebook

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Frenchiexno1 NamePros Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 177	definately bad for domainers - imagine 10million names for traffic to be directed to, and then suddenly this becomes 100million names, the traffic dilutes naturally. Domaining is driven by supply and demand, and suddenly the supply is about to increase hugely. Why would someone pay 11million for business.com when they could setup the .business name and have best.business / free.business / internet.business etc etc.... I think this is bad news... __________________ http://www.Plooka.com - Get on the Piste! Checkout my Skiing Website, and join in if you love the mountains...

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