The Domain Industry Is About To Change BIGTIME!!! - Page 4

***mwzd*** · 06-24-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by james0306

We are actually talking about hundreds, or even thousands new extensions, instead of the current 70-80.

There are currently 20 gTLDs and 248 ccTLDs granted permission by iCann.
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Originally Posted by james0306

Many of them will be even provided to end users for free.

Then you'll be the only one I'm guessing.

Surely not many of the businesses who are going to invest upwards of $100,000 in the TLD and its subsequent promotion will be so altruistic. Its a business after all.

james0306 · 06-24-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by mwzd

There are currently 20 gTLDs and 248 ccTLDs granted permission by iCann.

Thanks for the correction. I always want to find out the correct number.
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Then you'll be the only one I'm guessing.

I really hope so.

Samit, can you please share with me about your view on this ? Thanks,

***mwzd*** · 06-24-2008, 02:18 PM

Ok, I went ahead and wrote a small blogpost.

http://www.mwzd.com/2008/06/25/forge...ins-buy-a-tld/

Feel free to leave your comments there as well, cheers!

accent · 06-24-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by james0306

We are actually talking about hundreds, or even thousands new extensions, instead of the current 70-80.

The list of currently available extensions is in my signature - it's the second link where it says "country code". There are a whole bunch of them now live (>200) and a few more that have not been opened.
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Originally Posted by james0306

Many of them will be even provided to end users for free. ( I will do so, if I can afford .shop annual fee. Keep some premium word, and provide all the rest to others for free or at a very low cost, 10 cents per year) ....

People can get free "domains" on facebook and blogger - and dozens of other places - even free full fledged domain names on the .tk extension (there are minimum traffic requirements and they keep trying to upsell you, but whatever). But these low rent districts are not where someone would want to build a business.

Originally Posted by james0306

I am not saying that any new extension can replace .com, however, I don't think any reason can stop the huge dilution.

How do you guys think ?

I do not expect a significant dilution.

Long before ICANN unveils it's thousandth gTLD they will have either:
1. Run into massive opposition from major corporations who are sick of yet another group of defensive registrations,
2. Run out of groups / cities / companies willing to spend the $$,$$$ needed to buy an extension and the $$$,$$$ needed to run one (plus publicity) or
3. Seen so many failed extensions - with substantial losses to the promoters, that nobody else is willing to give it a go.

Domainers and defensive regs are the primary sources of funds for new extensions - flood the market and both groups will begin to ignore you.

DomainLobe · 06-24-2008, 04:55 PM

Everyone is worried about the recent news regarding ICANN allowing a multitude of new and unique tlds.

An analogy with the stockmarket is useful in contemplating this 'news'.

There are Blue Chips, small to large caps, micro-caps.....
Although new tlds are of interest to most of us and potentailly profitable to a few of us these new offerings are similar to OTC stocks - far too small to have any fundamental impact on the Big domains (.com and many ccTLDs).

Some of these new tlds will most certainly transtion to the main exchange but this will take considerable time and money.

Stick with your Domain Asset Allocation and don't worry.

CyberLaw.pro · 06-24-2008, 05:02 PM

My firm has a blog post on this as well, setting out some of the standards for the new extensions. It certainly appears that we won't see stuff like coca.cola or pepsi.cola, but rather .xxx, .shop, etc.

Post currently here:

CyberLaw.Pro

Permalink:

http://www.cyberlaw.pro/cyberlawg/do...-of-gtlds.html

advaita · 06-24-2008, 06:03 PM

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raredn.com · 06-25-2008, 01:31 AM

For those thinking that people will be able to put in application to have .com typo's registered, thankfully this is not the case, Icann is not going to accept application for extensions like .comm, .ocm, vom, .xom, .cpm, .cim, etc

which I think is a good thing

Source: http://www.telecom.paper.nl/news/art...?id=220005&nr= side note: found this source posted on dnf

nstalk · 06-25-2008, 06:22 AM

I'm a little confused by all of this. Someone please explain.

If someone puts out from $39,000 to $390,000 for a dot noun tld does that mean they own the rights to that particular dot noun (whatever it is) and can they use any name they want before the dot whatever? In other words can they have as many different domains as they may want preceeding the dot whatever they paid the big registration fee for?
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Or is there only one particular dot whatever sold for $39,000 to $390,000 with only one preceeding name? And if this is the case how can anyone possibly think a $39,000 registration fee dot whatever name can compete with a $10 dot com registration fee?

Which brings up the question...is that $39,000 to $390,000 fee a one time fee or is it yearly like we have now with the other tlds?

Brujah · 06-25-2008, 06:33 AM

New.net won't like this?

Steven · 06-25-2008, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by nstalk

I'm a little confused by all of this. Someone please explain.

If someone puts out from $39,000 to $390,000 for a dot noun tld does that mean they own the rights to that particular dot noun (whatever it is) and can they use any name they want before the dot whatever? In other words can they have as many different domains as they may want preceeding the dot whatever they paid the big registration fee for?

Or is there only one particular dot whatever sold for $39,000 to $390,000 with only one preceeding name? And if this is the case how can anyone possibly think a $39,000 registration fee dot whatever name can compete with a $10 dot com registration fee?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000

Which brings up the question...is that $39,000 to $390,000 fee a one time fee or is it yearly like we have now with the other tlds?

Good question.
If the cost to create a new .tld (for example) $39,000 without yearly fee, I wouldn't mind starting my own .BLOG service

I'm curious as to how this new plan by ICANN will turn out.

raredn.com · 06-25-2008, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by mrdomainman

Good question.
If the cost to create a new .tld (for example) $39,000 without yearly fee, I wouldn't mind starting my own .BLOG service

I'm curious as to how this new plan by ICANN will turn out.

Now, that is one extension that would be 'VERY' popular IMO, .BLOG, good thinking
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james0306 · 06-25-2008, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by nstalk

If someone puts out from $39,000 to $390,000 for a dot noun tld does that mean they own the rights to that particular dot noun (whatever it is) and can they use any name they want before the dot whatever? In other words can they have as many different domains as they may want preceeding the dot whatever they paid the big registration fee for?

Yes, for example, you can apply for .shop, and make yourself a registrar to sell all the name under it, such as camara.shop, car.shop, music.shop.....etc. That's why you see many people discussing about this topic lately.
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Which brings up the question...is that $39,000 to $390,000 fee a one time fee or is it yearly like we have now with the other tlds?

We will know the price soon after ICANN meeting.

Hope this helps.

JGK · 06-25-2008, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Brujah

New.net won't like this?

New.net relies on software being installed, AFAIK. Its "TLDs" won't resolve, otherwise.

bmugford · 06-25-2008, 07:46 AM

First of all how will this even work.

How will popular extensions like .XXX or .SEX be granted? I am sure there will be several companies try to get them.

Second of all I don't think this will do anything other than increase the value of COM/NET/ORG. 95% of Internet users have only heard of the big three and are totally unaware of any other extension. I don't see .SOMETHING OBSCURE taken them over anytime soon.

onewordonly · 06-25-2008, 09:10 AM

I'm a little worried about all this really & hope our current names won't lose their value, it could just create an over flooded market with many cowboys involved.

timmaay · 06-25-2008, 12:16 PM

.xom would easily be worth a 39k reg

non-www savvy people ... like my mom, wife etc ... don't care about extension they have google as homepage and type chevy or whatever they are looking for.

i am even starting to hear radio commercials: google <company name> instead of the URL since it usually is a .bz or some other crap.

npcomplete · 06-25-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by bmugford

First of all how will this even work.

How will popular extensions like .XXX or .SEX be granted? I am sure there will be several companies try to get them.

Second of all I don't think this will do anything other than increase the value of COM/NET/ORG. 95% of Internet users have only heard of the big three and are totally unaware of any other extension. I don't see .SOMETHING OBSCURE taken them over anytime soon.

ICANN has stated that this will be by auction. If you thought the auctions were interesting for second level domains (e.g., sld.asia), just wait until the auctions for .sex

brianlai · 06-25-2008, 01:02 PM

Take an example, Apple recently acquires me.com
If the TLD are open, would apple also buy

.mobileme
.apple
mobile.me (.me ccTLD)

also
.mac (.mac TLD for Mac computers)
.iPhone
.iPod
.iTunes
.iWhatever

Just raise confusion on buying so many names. Apple have paid over million dollars for one .com domain name, it would just pay more if TLD opens

npcomplete · 06-25-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by JGK

Originally Posted by Brujah

New.net won't like this?

New.net relies on software being installed, AFAIK. Its "TLDs" won't resolve, otherwise.

It will be interesting to see whether any of the operators (like new.net) in the alternate root systems apply for tld's that they are already operating. My guess is "yes" for new.net. Also, it is very easy to point dns servers to the alternate root servers to get things to resolve without plugins. That is dns 101. I do that myself (point to alt root) with my own dns servers.

owntype · 06-25-2008, 01:53 PM

Nissan Motors, don't forget to reg .nissan this time

npcomplete · 06-25-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by owntype

Nissan Motors, don't forget to reg .nissan this time

hopefully the owner of nissan.com will apply for .nissan. That would be funny!

cityforums.com · 06-25-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by owntype

Nissan Motors, don't forget to reg .nissan this time

bfluid · 06-25-2008, 02:21 PM

"Hundreds of new domain names could be created by the end of the year, rising to thousands in the future. "

ROFL, if that's all the new name registered for development... we are in big trouble.

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Originally Posted by netfleet

That may be so for the big, big end of town but for every one Macdonalds, there are 100 million other restaurants brands - these smaller players are the ones which control the markets. Also this argument doesn't hold for generics of course...

The smaller guys duplicate the big guys when they are smart. And when they don't, they usually fail. Why create a new system to make money if you can just observe what the best do... and then do it (and make money). The smaller guys follow the big guys. Therefore, the big guys 'really' control the market.

GF · 06-25-2008, 05:59 PM

You know what this means?? Better unload your LLL.com's and LLLL.com's CHEAP!

I'll buy them for $20 each while you can still sell them!

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DomainLobe DN Investor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: www Posts: 1,008	Everyone is worried about the recent news regarding ICANN allowing a multitude of new and unique tlds. An analogy with the stockmarket is useful in contemplating this 'news'. There are Blue Chips, small to large caps, micro-caps..... Although new tlds are of interest to most of us and potentailly profitable to a few of us these new offerings are similar to OTC stocks - far too small to have any fundamental impact on the Big domains (.com and many ccTLDs). Some of these new tlds will most certainly transtion to the main exchange but this will take considerable time and money. Stick with your Domain Asset Allocation and don't worry.

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raredn.com Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,290	For those thinking that people will be able to put in application to have .com typo's registered, thankfully this is not the case, Icann is not going to accept application for extensions like .comm, .ocm, vom, .xom, .cpm, .cim, etc which I think is a good thing Source: http://www.telecom.paper.nl/news/art...?id=220005&nr= side note: found this source posted on dnf

06-25-2008, 06:22 AM	#84 (permalink)
nstalk NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 386	I'm a little confused by all of this. Someone please explain. If someone puts out from $39,000 to $390,000 for a dot noun tld does that mean they own the rights to that particular dot noun (whatever it is) and can they use any name they want before the dot whatever? In other words can they have as many different domains as they may want preceeding the dot whatever they paid the big registration fee for? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=485000 Or is there only one particular dot whatever sold for $39,000 to $390,000 with only one preceeding name? And if this is the case how can anyone possibly think a $39,000 registration fee dot whatever name can compete with a $10 dot com registration fee? Which brings up the question...is that $39,000 to $390,000 fee a one time fee or is it yearly like we have now with the other tlds?

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timmaay NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: up north Posts: 577	.xom would easily be worth a 39k reg non-www savvy people ... like my mom, wife etc ... don't care about extension they have google as homepage and type chevy or whatever they are looking for. i am even starting to hear radio commercials: google <company name> instead of the URL since it usually is a .bz or some other crap. __________________ Wisconsin Apartment Listings

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brianlai NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 267	Take an example, Apple recently acquires me.com If the TLD are open, would apple also buy .mobileme .apple mobile.me (.me ccTLD) also .mac (.mac TLD for Mac computers) .iPhone .iPod .iTunes .iWhatever Just raise confusion on buying so many names. Apple have paid over million dollars for one .com domain name, it would just pay more if TLD opens

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