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Old 06-22-2008, 09:31 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by zambian0

I really can't see the sense in canning a particular TLD when we should all embrace DOMAINS regardless of the extension,

Wouldn't that be nice. If I had the money, and time, to do so. For some I would need A LOT of time.
I agree that we do need to be more accepting of other extensions but I don't agree that we should embrace them all. If they started pumping out new ext. after new ext. I know I would not embrace them all. Like .web, I would not support that as I think it is not needed since we already have .net. Same goes with .geo, .nyc, .berlin, .post, .kids, .lat, .berlin and other proposed names. I"m not sure if I would "embrace" many of those.

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Originally Posted by cosmicray
To those that invested in .mobis (me included) take a look at how technology made .mobi completely obsolete ... notice how you can zoom at a fingers touch.
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It just didn't take much forward thinking 2 years ago to see these technologies hurting mobi's mission. That's not to say it will destroy mobi but please be honest. Mobi had a mission of being the mobile web centerpiece but technology won't allow that to happen. It was how many years ago that someone dreamed up mobi? I think it's 5 years too late to make the neccessary steps to penetrate the global mind.
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When mTLD had the green light to release .mobi, did they expect this type of technology improvement in mobile browser and phone itself?

I read somewhere that mTLD guys tried to release .mobi in the early 2000 (when it made more sense) but it had been delayed. I can't remember the source, so don't take it as a fact, but if somebody can verify this, it will be nice and appreciated.
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At best though we will have a dead heat tie between mobi acceptance and mobile technology. And imho it would be the technology that will win because it will forever evolve while the mission of mobi will not.

Mobi was officially approved in 2005. Application was in March 2004.

http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/mobi.htm

Which means that this was all dreamed up around 2003 or possibly earlier.

Here are some popular 2003 phones:
http://cellphones.about.com/library/bl-aw-year-2003.htm
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http://www.mobiledia.com/phones/date/q1-2003.html


Now skip to this:

http://www.mobiledia.com/phones/date/q1-2008.html

Notice anything different?
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Here in Canada many people's plans are still $5+ per megabyte. Technology might allow for people to browse full featured websites, but I sure as heck wouldn't recommend doing it at $5 per meg! Little competition in Canada = little reason to lower prices.

.mobi really needs to enforce their development and design standards.. This is the only thing that will keep them from having no reason to exist imho.

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The mobile internet experience is still lame (iPhone, Sidekick, Blackberry, Windows Mobile PC). Until the online experience becomes "great" when I am out and about, I welcome any and every mechanism that might push things forward. Mobile internet was largely stagnant in the United States (due primarily to the wireless telecoms walled gardens), but things are finally moving in the mobile internet space.
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Here in Canada many people's plans are still $5+ per megabyte. Technology might allow for people to browse full featured websites, but I sure as heck wouldn't recommend doing it at $5 per meg! Little competition in Canada = little reason to lower prices.
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.mobi really needs to enforce their development and design standards.. This is the only thing that will keep them from having no reason to exist imho.
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Originally Posted by Reece
Here in Canada many people's plans are still $5+ per megabyte. Technology might allow for people to browse full featured websites, but I sure as heck wouldn't recommend doing it at $5 per meg! Little competition in Canada = little reason to lower prices.

.mobi really needs to enforce their development and design standards.. This is the only thing that will keep them from having no reason to exist imho.

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I never thought about that. Great post and idea Reece. If .mobi restricts the amount of megabyte the sites can be, that truely would help the extension out. I know if I were paying $5/ meg and .mobi were restricted I would only browse .mobi sites.
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Originally Posted by Reece
Here in Canada many people's plans are still $5+ per megabyte. Technology might allow for people to browse full featured websites, but I sure as heck wouldn't recommend doing it at $5 per meg! Little competition in Canada = little reason to lower prices.

.mobi really needs to enforce their development and design standards.. This is the only thing that will keep them from having no reason to exist imho.
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I live in Canada too... and I think the data plan cost is getting better.

I remember that Bell had the $7 unlimited data plan for HTC Touch some time back.
Rogers may do something similar:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...in_canada.html

I agree that there is little competition in Canada... for now.
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I never thought about that. Great post and idea Reece. If .mobi restricts the amount of megabyte the sites can be, that truely would help the extension out. I know if I were paying $5/ meg and .mobi were restricted I would only browse .mobi sites.
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How will mobey compete with .tel?
One educated guess would be the same way .net tries to compete against .com.
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Just another extension competing in the same space I would have thought.

Let's bow to ICANN for their forward thinking and great innovation. LOL
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I look forward to decreasing domainer involvement as .mobi evolves.
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Using a mobile phone to search for information on the Internet often feels like you are trying to look up a word in a dictionary, through a keyhole, with only a chopstick to turn the pages. If you have content on a website that you need to get out to customers, this should concern you.



Especially in South Africa, where mobile phone users are nearing 36 million, compared to five million Internet users. With the dire state of broadband in SA, the reality is that currently 11% of active Internet users access the web from their mobile.

In addition, these ready eyeballs provide an attractive new channel for advertisers and companies to provide rich applications, multimedia and other interactive ways of extending their brand.

Google working hard

Around the world the search greats are recognising this. Google is working hard to position itself as the de facto search engine on the mobile phone as well on the Internet. It recently upgraded its mobile search from beta status to a fully functioning search engine. Its mobile blog (http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/) is a hub of activity, with ongoing updates from Google staffers. New mobile services include Gmail, YouTube and Google Maps for mobiles, and the ability to sync the Blackberry calendar with Google.

The company is also anticipating the growth it needs to do in order to remain scalable. It currently indexes something like 170 billion “standard” documents on the Internet. Google's mobile index is no doubt at present much smaller than this, but it looks like it is anticipating significant growth.

Although in a way this may appear to be a chicken and egg situation, website owners should be watching this situation very closely. Especially in SA, with its high number of mobile Internet users. The vast majority of users will use Google to find what they are looking for online, even when using their mobile phones.

But it's not good enough to rely on classic search engine optimisation to ensure success in a mobile environment.

People search differently

Firstly, people search differently on a mobile phone. They are generally looking for an answer to a specific question, such as “What time does the rugby start this afternoon?” Or location specific information, such as “Where is the nearest pub showing the rugby this afternoon?” Also, people expect an answer to their question in a much shorter time.

But others may use their mobile phone as their primary, or only, way of engaging with the Internet. This makes the mobile phone the only way you are going to reach these customers digitally.

I suspect the first example is going to be a trend around the world, with the second being a trait of countries like SA, where many people use their mobile phone as their primary connection to the Internet. So, for instance, an 18-year-old in London will want to know when the next train to Waterloo leaves, while an 18-year-old in Cape Town will want to know what time the next bus to the Waterfront is, as well as use their mobile phone as their primary way of interacting with Facebook. This is not a hard-and-fast rule though, more an emphasis and something that web site owners need to factor in to a greater extent in SA.

Two options

When searching via Google on your mobile phone, you will have access to over eight billion web pages and over two billion images.

There are currently two options to choose from when using Google search on your mobile phone.
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The first delivers typical web results, identical to a search result on your computer.

The second option restricts your results to only .mobi sites.

This is incredibly scary if you don't have a .mobi site, but incredibly good news if you do.

If people start opting for this option of the search because the web pages that are delivered are built for a handheld device, and not a full-blown website, and therefore easier to use, you will miss out on an entire audience if you don't play in this space.

So what do companies need to do to gear up for this new trend?

Companies need to differentiate their mobile strategy from their online strategy. Simply having a single website to service both channels is not enough and brands will lose out by not being included in the .mobi results.

Crucial to optimise

Once you have a .mobi website, it is still crucial to go through the exercise of optimising this site for Google search. In the same way that companies optimise their websites using SEO tactics, they now need to start looking to the future and preparing their websites to display correctly on mobile handsets.

Some important criteria to bear in mind are:

1. Use 100% valid XHTML 1.0 code
2. Follow accessibility best practices
3. Make sure your site is compliant to the Mobi consortium guidelines, using the http://ready.mobi tool.
4. Create a special mobile sitemap and submit it to Google using Google webmaster's tools.

Once these steps are complete, you should consider talking to a SEO agency with experience in optimising mobile sites. They should be able to advise you on the type of campaign your site will require. Done right, and your customers won't be peering at your site through a keyhole. Instead you will be interacting with your audience, delivering content and brand information, on the same side of the door that they are standing on.
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Here in Canada many people's plans are still $5+ per megabyte. Technology might allow for people to browse full featured websites, but I sure as heck wouldn't recommend doing it at $5 per meg! Little competition in Canada = little reason to lower prices.

.mobi really needs to enforce their development and design standards.. This is the only thing that will keep them from having no reason to exist imho.

I do agree that data plans at the moment are a little high. Although i only pay $20 a month for unlimited everything and thats with NO discounts. Data plans for "smart" phones are coming down as we speak. Its like high speed internet when it first came around. It was really high and not much better than dial up. As soon as competition came around the prices started coming down and now you can get high speed internet access cheaper than dial up in some cases.
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I think there is a place for .mobi but not in the mainstream like some people hope. Phones are getting way to advanced to not surf .coms or full webpage capabilities. Plus the plans are getting cheaper as we speak. If .mobi had been around in '99 then i think the extension would have taken off and been branded to the mobile phone. It just came a couple years to late.
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Mobile search - through the keyhole
By: Daniel Aufrichtig

Using a mobile phone to search for information on the Internet often feels like you are trying to look up a word in a dictionary, through a keyhole, with only a chopstick to turn the pages. If you have content on a website that you need to get out to customers, this should concern you.



Especially in South Africa, where mobile phone users are nearing 36 million, compared to five million Internet users. With the dire state of broadband in SA, the reality is that currently 11% of active Internet users access the web from their mobile.

In addition, these ready eyeballs provide an attractive new channel for advertisers and companies to provide rich applications, multimedia and other interactive ways of extending their brand.

Google working hard

Around the world the search greats are recognising this. Google is working hard to position itself as the de facto search engine on the mobile phone as well on the Internet. It recently upgraded its mobile search from beta status to a fully functioning search engine. Its mobile blog (http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/) is a hub of activity, with ongoing updates from Google staffers. New mobile services include Gmail, YouTube and Google Maps for mobiles, and the ability to sync the Blackberry calendar with Google.

The company is also anticipating the growth it needs to do in order to remain scalable. It currently indexes something like 170 billion “standard” documents on the Internet. Google's mobile index is no doubt at present much smaller than this, but it looks like it is anticipating significant growth.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=484803

Although in a way this may appear to be a chicken and egg situation, website owners should be watching this situation very closely. Especially in SA, with its high number of mobile Internet users. The vast majority of users will use Google to find what they are looking for online, even when using their mobile phones.

But it's not good enough to rely on classic search engine optimisation to ensure success in a mobile environment.

People search differently

Firstly, people search differently on a mobile phone. They are generally looking for an answer to a specific question, such as “What time does the rugby start this afternoon?” Or location specific information, such as “Where is the nearest pub showing the rugby this afternoon?” Also, people expect an answer to their question in a much shorter time.

But others may use their mobile phone as their primary, or only, way of engaging with the Internet. This makes the mobile phone the only way you are going to reach these customers digitally.

I suspect the first example is going to be a trend around the world, with the second being a trait of countries like SA, where many people use their mobile phone as their primary connection to the Internet. So, for instance, an 18-year-old in London will want to know when the next train to Waterloo leaves, while an 18-year-old in Cape Town will want to know what time the next bus to the Waterfront is, as well as use their mobile phone as their primary way of interacting with Facebook. This is not a hard-and-fast rule though, more an emphasis and something that web site owners need to factor in to a greater extent in SA.

Two options

When searching via Google on your mobile phone, you will have access to over eight billion web pages and over two billion images.

There are currently two options to choose from when using Google search on your mobile phone.

The first delivers typical web results, identical to a search result on your computer.

The second option restricts your results to only .mobi sites.

This is incredibly scary if you don't have a .mobi site, but incredibly good news if you do.

If people start opting for this option of the search because the web pages that are delivered are built for a handheld device, and not a full-blown website, and therefore easier to use, you will miss out on an entire audience if you don't play in this space.

So what do companies need to do to gear up for this new trend?

Companies need to differentiate their mobile strategy from their online strategy. Simply having a single website to service both channels is not enough and brands will lose out by not being included in the .mobi results.

Crucial to optimise

Once you have a .mobi website, it is still crucial to go through the exercise of optimising this site for Google search. In the same way that companies optimise their websites using SEO tactics, they now need to start looking to the future and preparing their websites to display correctly on mobile handsets.

Some important criteria to bear in mind are:

1. Use 100% valid XHTML 1.0 code
2. Follow accessibility best practices
3. Make sure your site is compliant to the Mobi consortium guidelines, using the http://ready.mobi tool.
4. Create a special mobile sitemap and submit it to Google using Google webmaster's tools.

Once these steps are complete, you should consider talking to a SEO agency with experience in optimising mobile sites. They should be able to advise you on the type of campaign your site will require. Done right, and your customers won't be peering at your site through a keyhole. Instead you will be interacting with your audience, delivering content and brand information, on the same side of the door that they are standing on.
You conveniently left out how the Google markets their mobile internationally.

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I think someone should contact BOFA, The weather channel and BMW to stop using their .mobi as well and switch back to their .com because this phone solves everything for people on the go. And a .mobi would look horible on this screen.

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Originally Posted by thebiffenator
I think someone should contact BOFA, The weather channel and BMW to stop using their .mobi as well and switch back to their .com because this phone solves everything for people on the go.

If I were the marketing director at BOFA I would be worried for my job.
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I hope his boss doesn't have the latest mobile device or is thinking
of getting the Google Android ... take a look at how obsolete mobi
is http://code.google.com/android/
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Wow, didn't know you .mobi owners would now concede that it's over for .mobi.

Always thought you all were a hard core bunch

Luckily I never bought any. I did forsee technology making space to fit existing sites rather than bending backwards for a TLD.
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Originally Posted by cosmicray
If I were the marketing director at BOFA I would be worried for my job.
Yea, over a million mobile subscribers to bofa.mobi in about a year is such a complete failure.
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Originally Posted by cosmicray
If I were the marketing director at BOFA I would be worried for my job.
Guess there's a reason why you're not!
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Originally Posted by zambian0
One educated guess would be the same way .net tries to compete against .com.
Just another extension competing in the same space I would have thought.
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Let's bow to ICANN for their forward thinking and great innovation. LOL

You Obviously you know what your talking about

http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...ey-04may06.pdf

And I guess ICANN doesn't know what they are talking about
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Originally Posted by cosmicray
To those that invested in .mobis (me included) take a look at how technology made .mobi completely obsolete ... notice how you can zoom at a fingers touch.


http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/22/s...-web-on-video/
The iPhone came out in June of 2007 - with the same functionality. I think any Domainer who owned one couldnt possibly have purchased .mobi - unless it was for resale (on the reseller market).
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