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binaryman · 06-09-2008, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

I'm hear to say it like it is and hopefully save people from wasting money on this extension.

And I dont believe thats your motivation. Some sort of self styled internet messiah. I think you are a stirrer. So please
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/477482-mobi-on-the-downslide.html
bud...give it a break now

NewWorldArk · 06-09-2008, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

Let's get back to genuine debate.

As you've already pointed out, your a naysayer and quite honestly there's no point in debating that.

mjnels · 06-09-2008, 07:45 AM

ok.. lets debate something... i am kinda bored.

VirtualT · 06-09-2008, 08:01 AM

This is the problem with speculation driven extensions, once the speculators lose interest there is little to hold the prices up

Work In Progress · 06-09-2008, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Fragger

I was unaware of .mobi's being monetized. Do you know which ad programs are being used, or do you have any examples? I just haven't seen, any .mobi sites with actual ads and affiliate programs on them. Have you personally developed any yourself for purposes of monetization? If so, I am extremely interested.

Yep...and they're doing pretty well, thank you very much. I'm actually putting together a site now that will be a stand alone business in the near future that will not have traditional ads or affiliate programs.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

Again, a standard domainer who parks and runs will never like mobi. You'll be lucky to ever break even doing this. Who's in this to break even? Not me.

You have to think outside the box. Be a leader, not a follower. Find ways to monetize. You're not dealing with a page that has 10-25% space of ads with a mobi site. Just not enough room.

#1- AGAIN- you have to develop
#2- Get visitors
#3-enjoy the fruits of your labor

After that, keep them coming back.

No big secret. This holds true for any extension. With dotMobi, it's needed. It's not a lazy mans extension.

It's not that difficult to make a useful site that visitors will come to. I try to pick as large of an audience as I can as a goal when developing a site. Small, niche markets are OK, but your visitor base will be much smaller.

Why did I choose to develop fbimostwanted, daterape, earlysigns, newhairstyles, and others?
#1- They have a wide range of audience
#2- They have a high probability of mobile relevance, offering mobile users useful content away from their PC.
#3- They offer the best of two worlds: They make me "feel good", knowing my sites might help someone someday, as well as helping my family in the long run
#4- There's a great long run potential for sponsored ads.

There are several mobile ad companies out there, including adsense for mobile, which restricts you to one ad on top or two on the bottom per page.

Hope this helps you Fragger

DomainTalker · 06-09-2008, 09:02 AM

snoop...

You've stated that organisations are mobilizing their .com sites with various devices - m.name.com, or name.com/mobile, or whatever....That's a technology response - its possible to get to sites via a mobile device....fine.

But you haven't explained why people will put up with scrolling around awkwardly on an m.name.com site, on their small screen...when they discover they can just use .mobi, and be guaranteed a perfect viewing, easy, immediate, experience, instead....When people are likely to go for the easier option....ie the human response.

You haven't explained why a clunky, technological, slow-loading, make-over of their .com site will be a more impressive & convenient image for large corporate brands, than a sleek, made-for-the-medium, fast-loading, solution, like .mobi...

You haven't explained why the average internet user of now, and the future, will put up with slow, expensive, downloads, from m.name.com sites, when they want fast, cheap, easy-to-read, info, when they're on the go...like they'll find a .mobi-enabled site will give them.

Before someone can say that .mobi will fail, a sensible answer to these questions needs to be found....And, there isn't one.

On the contrary, the logic for .mobi looks pretty compelling, looked at this way, imo.

All .mobi needs - as I said above - is branding - and general awareness of .mobi (and more and more sites developed)....and people out there to experience both the m.name.com, and the .mobi, options - on their mobiles, and in practice....

...And, then the consumer market (and therefore site owners) will default to .mobi - simply because it works better for them, when they're on the go...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

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snoop · 06-09-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by DomainTalker

But you haven't explained why people will put up with scrolling around awkwardly on an m.name.com site, on their small screen...when they discover they can just use .mobi, and be guaranteed a perfect viewing, easy, immediate, experience, instead....When people are likely to go for the easier option....ie the human response.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

I don't follow this argument, the m. sites are sites optimized for mobile devices.

binaryman · 06-10-2008, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

I don't follow this argument, the m. sites are sites optimized for mobile devices.

So the guy who owns lets say books.com makes a mobile site called m.books.com, the guy who owns books.net makes himself m.books.net, the woman who owns books.co.uk creates m.books.co.uk, the American bloke gets m.books.us, our European friend books.eu decides to make m.books.eu and the German owner has m.books.de.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482
Hey anybody want books.mobi?

MaguirePhD · 06-10-2008, 11:01 AM

Don't have it all linked up just yet but we are doing just what you said with a site titled FindHQ.mobi.

I have attached the .com version for now, even though the links are not complete: www.SODhq.com

Doc

cityforums.com · 06-18-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by binaryman

So the guy who owns lets say books.com makes a mobile site called m.books.com, the guy who owns books.net makes himself m.books.net, the woman who owns books.co.uk creates m.books.co.uk, the American bloke gets m.books.us, our European friend books.eu decides to make m.books.eu and the German owner has m.books.de.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482
Hey anybody want books.mobi?

the guy with .COM will do as google does ... AUTOMATICALLY redirect
mobile device requests to the mobile enabled part of his .COM

ie.
http://www.google.com/mobile/

hence .mobi is mostly useless.

namewaiter · 06-18-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicray

the guy with .COM will do as google does ... AUTOMATICALLY redirect
mobile device requests to the mobile enabled part of his .COM

ie.
http://www.google.com/mobile/

hence .mobi is mostly useless.

you entirely missed the point of his post.

cityforums.com · 06-18-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by namewaiter

you entirely missed the point of his post.

which is ? ... that google doesn't know what they are doing ?

akcampbell · 06-19-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by namewaiter

you entirely missed the point of his post.

I think he understood the point of this post. It was to suggest that instead of having 101 different subdomains it would be smarter to brand as books.mobi.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

The counterargument is you don't need m.books.com, that books.com is a 100 times more powerful brand in terms of recognition, memorability, and acceptance by end users, therefore it makes sense to recognise somebody's broswer and redirect to your cut down mobile screen resolution code and content straight from books.com.

namewaiter · 06-19-2008, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by akcampbell

I think he understood the point of this post. It was to suggest that instead of having 101 different subdomains it would be smarter to brand as books.mobi.

The counterargument is you don't need m.books.com, that books.com is a 100 times more powerful brand in terms of recognition, memorability, and acceptance by end users, therefore it makes sense to recognise somebody's broswer and redirect to your cut down mobile screen resolution code and content straight from books.com.

still, not the point of the original post.

Timewarp · 06-19-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by binaryman

So the guy who owns lets say books.com makes a mobile site called m.books.com, the guy who owns books.net makes himself m.books.net, the woman who owns books.co.uk creates m.books.co.uk, the American bloke gets m.books.us, our European friend books.eu decides to make m.books.eu and the German owner has m.books.de.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482
Hey anybody want books.mobi?

Sorry, Im kind of unclear on this post as well, are you arguing for or against mobi? Is this a list of how you would rank these domains in order of preference? My ranking would be:

books.com
books.net
books.co.uk
books.de
books.mobi
books.us
books.eu

So Id put mobi below the established extensions and above the duds, is the OP implying mobi should be at the top or bottom of this list?

GF · 06-23-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by DBADT2007

But I am digressing...anyways, there is a good point that you indirectly made and that is that Big Corporations have the $$$$ and are buying dotMobi for their own use. I'd like to thank VisionEdger for making our point...not only do dotMobi investors see the potential but Big Corporations!

A reason that large corporations may be "buying into" .mobi is because a lot of their colleagues sit on the board of directors for mTLD?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

From Wikipedia:
"It (.mobi) is financially backed and sponsored by Google, Microsoft, Nokia, Samsung, Ericsson, Vodafone, T-Mobile, Telefónica Móviles, Telecom Italia Mobile, Orascom Telecom, GSM Association , Hutchison Whampoa, Syniverse Technologies, and VISA, with an executive from each company having a seat on mTLD's board of directors."

jagusa · 06-23-2008, 12:41 AM

Actually, depending on the mobile device and their latest tweaks, sometimes Google's mobile redirect works and sometimes it does not. Kind of lame actually.

Originally Posted by cosmicray

which is ? ... that google doesn't know what they are doing ?

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DomainTalker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: http://ISSUES.COM Posts: 1,126	snoop... You've stated that organisations are mobilizing their .com sites with various devices - m.name.com, or name.com/mobile, or whatever....That's a technology response - its possible to get to sites via a mobile device....fine. But you haven't explained *why* people will put up with scrolling around awkwardly on an m.name.com site, on their small screen...when they discover they can just use .mobi, and be guaranteed a perfect viewing, easy, immediate, experience, instead....When people are likely to go for the easier option....ie the human response. You haven't explained *why* a clunky, technological, slow-loading, make-over of their .com site will be a more impressive & convenient image for large corporate brands, than a sleek, made-for-the-medium, fast-loading, solution, like .mobi... You haven't explained *why* the average internet user of now, and the future, will put up with slow, expensive, downloads, from m.name.com sites, when they want fast, cheap, easy-to-read, info, when they're on the go...like they'll find a .mobi-enabled site will give them. Before someone can say that .mobi will fail, a sensible answer to these questions needs to be found....And, there isn't one. On the contrary, the logic for .mobi looks pretty compelling, looked at this way, imo. All .mobi needs - as I said above - is *branding* - and general *awareness* of .mobi (and more and more sites developed)....and people out there to experience both the m.name.com, and the .mobi, options - on their mobiles, and in practice.... ...And, then the consumer market (and therefore site owners) will default to .mobi - simply because it works better for them, when they're on the go... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482 . Last edited by DomainTalker; 06-09-2008 at 09:47 AM.

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MaguirePhD Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	Works in Progress Don't have it all linked up just yet but we are doing just what you said with a site titled FindHQ.mobi. I have attached the .com version for now, even though the links are not complete: www.SODhq.com Doc Last edited by MaguirePhD; 06-23-2008 at 11:28 AM.

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VirtualT Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: afloat.com Posts: 1,128	This is the problem with speculation driven extensions, once the speculators lose interest there is little to hold the prices up

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