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Old 06-02-2008, 09:48 AM   · #26
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I'd like to hear some thoughts on why you gents feel this wouldn't happen. According to the people who made the video, this is a serious issue and is something we've all heard about before. There is just not enough discussion about it. People are trying to change the face of the web as it is now and you all know that. Take a glance at your domain industry news. People all over from all walks of life are trying to implement rules, laws, regulations, and for your to assume otherwise is taking the situation for granted.

This article was not flagged as inacurate from the Digg community, with well over 4,000 diggs in a 3 day period, I'm not too sure you should consider this a laughing matter. On topic, I do hope this is a joke but I'm certainly not laughing (yet). It would have been nice to see that site offer more evidence as to who or where the "insider" information is coming from, but it's not abnormal for something like this to happen. It happens everyday. Insider information is well, Insider information right? I'm certain that this is the start of a movement that we're going to see more of as time moves on.

Why wouldn't they want to do this? It makes perfect sense for the big guns. I don't think you'll find the people listed on that image laughing. It's their game and they want everyone else to go away. That makes sense to me. Think eBay. Think about the mass amount of money they are losing due to continous boycotts, continuous negative responses and how uBid and other players are taking eBay's traffic to the bank. That's just ONE company listed on that image.

You already saw eBay's move with the payment gateway monetized. What more do you want? Do some research based on the companies listed in that illustration. This is serious business IMO. I hope it's not but it sounds pretty concrete. On a side note, I saw Google on that image too. I recently read an article based on how come google hasn't been charged with global monetization yet? I mean they do everything from Search, Advertising, Pictures, Funding Space Exploration, purchasing mobile sectors, purchasing their own INTERNET from the dark fibre.. I mean how much more do we need here?

Then consider one last thing:

TV media logic has not changed in 20+ years. It's the same it has always been. We're forced to watch what we are provided. Of course we are given package choices for cable or sat, but come on. You would think that would have changed by now.. (You know? use the remote to find a program you want to watch? how about using the remote to view "re-runs" of Mork and Mindy (joke) ... but all we see are innovative companies creating TIVO and other on demand recording features for your standard tv. WHO CARES.

They don't want ANYTHING to change because it's a huge money maker. Don't fix what's not broken right? Right. Now think Google. Think how many people watch tv on google and other sites. Guess what? people are using the web more than watching tv. I believe that. What happens here? this situation we're discussing here now. 2+2 = 4.

Well the same interest applies to the web. These corporate interests care less about the people earning a living on the web, want to monetize it the same way TV is monetized. Make sense to me Do I believe that? Yes. Am I naive about this specific situation? Perhaps. That's just because I'd like to learn more. I thought it would be a good way to get everyone's thoughts here on NamePros. You guys are very smart, know a lot about what's going on ... so many of you hope this doesn't happen, many of you feel this is a joke... I think we really need to get to the bottom of this and learn if it is true to false. If true, then what?

(if false, we can all go on our way - business as usual). But if true, this would effect everyone. You've been blowing your money left right and center on domains, buying and selling - all that means nothing if this kicks in.

Just a thought.

Edit - Okay sorry folks. It's reported as inacurate but it's received almost 10,000 digs. So I'm not really sure what to think.

Just an update.
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Why wouldn't they want to do this? It makes perfect sense for the big guns. I don't think you'll find the people listed on that image laughing. It's their game and they want everyone else to go away. That makes sense to me. Think eBay. Think about the mass amount of money they are losing due to continous boycotts, continuous negative responses and how uBid and other players are taking eBay's traffic to the bank. That's just ONE company listed on that image.

You already saw eBay's move with the payment gateway monetized. What more do you want? Do some research based on the companies listed in that illustration. This is serious business IMO. I hope it's not but it sounds pretty concrete. On a side note, I saw Google on that image too.

That image is a fabrication, just like the article and video. I don't believe any of this for one second. I posted my reasons already.
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:41 PM   · #30
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its really too late now...

people love the concept of "the internet", most of the population that has electricity has at least heard about the internet and knows of its usefulness in some way.

if something like this were to happen, someone/some company would likely come along and open it back up.
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You're probably right, and so are the hippies in the video. Domainers should welcome the opportunities. When packages of content channels are sold to subscribers, each domain will be a channel. Each domain is already a channel, though most are unimportant channels.

Originally Posted by psalzmann
I'd like to hear some thoughts on why you gents feel this wouldn't happen. According to the people who made the video, this is a serious issue and is something we've all heard about before. There is just not enough discussion about it. People are trying to change the face of the web as it is now and you all know that. Take a glance at your domain industry news. People all over from all walks of life are trying to implement rules, laws, regulations, and for your to assume otherwise is taking the situation for granted.

This article was not flagged as inacurate from the Digg community, with well over 4,000 diggs in a 3 day period, I'm not too sure you should consider this a laughing matter. On topic, I do hope this is a joke but I'm certainly not laughing (yet). It would have been nice to see that site offer more evidence as to who or where the "insider" information is coming from, but it's not abnormal for something like this to happen. It happens everyday. Insider information is well, Insider information right? I'm certain that this is the start of a movement that we're going to see more of as time moves on.

Why wouldn't they want to do this? It makes perfect sense for the big guns. I don't think you'll find the people listed on that image laughing. It's their game and they want everyone else to go away. That makes sense to me. Think eBay. Think about the mass amount of money they are losing due to continous boycotts, continuous negative responses and how uBid and other players are taking eBay's traffic to the bank. That's just ONE company listed on that image.

You already saw eBay's move with the payment gateway monetized. What more do you want? Do some research based on the companies listed in that illustration. This is serious business IMO. I hope it's not but it sounds pretty concrete. On a side note, I saw Google on that image too. I recently read an article based on how come google hasn't been charged with global monetization yet? I mean they do everything from Search, Advertising, Pictures, Funding Space Exploration, purchasing mobile sectors, purchasing their own INTERNET from the dark fibre.. I mean how much more do we need here?

Then consider one last thing:

TV media logic has not changed in 20+ years. It's the same it has always been. We're forced to watch what we are provided. Of course we are given package choices for cable or sat, but come on. You would think that would have changed by now.. (You know? use the remote to find a program you want to watch? how about using the remote to view "re-runs" of Mork and Mindy (joke) ... but all we see are innovative companies creating TIVO and other on demand recording features for your standard tv. WHO CARES.

They don't want ANYTHING to change because it's a huge money maker. Don't fix what's not broken right? Right. Now think Google. Think how many people watch tv on google and other sites. Guess what? people are using the web more than watching tv. I believe that. What happens here? this situation we're discussing here now. 2+2 = 4.

Well the same interest applies to the web. These corporate interests care less about the people earning a living on the web, want to monetize it the same way TV is monetized. Make sense to me Do I believe that? Yes. Am I naive about this specific situation? Perhaps. That's just because I'd like to learn more. I thought it would be a good way to get everyone's thoughts here on NamePros. You guys are very smart, know a lot about what's going on ... so many of you hope this doesn't happen, many of you feel this is a joke... I think we really need to get to the bottom of this and learn if it is true to false. If true, then what?

(if false, we can all go on our way - business as usual). But if true, this would effect everyone. You've been blowing your money left right and center on domains, buying and selling - all that means nothing if this kicks in.

Just a thought.

Edit - Okay sorry folks. It's reported as inacurate but it's received almost 10,000 digs. So I'm not really sure what to think.

Just an update.

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I think that's the point.

If you have to pick a year to talk about and get attention 2012 is your best candidate.

Who needs an internet if it also predicted that the world will end in 2012?

These guys should stop buying their crystal ball in eBay.
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I hope the internet will stay free. It's an experiment with open ending and it depends on the ethical qualities of the people using and building it, and the incorruptibility of the people governing it. I hope the TPMs (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module ) already in most PCs won't dictate the access to which data we can have. These cryptographic chains could be utilized also to dictate about who has access to which part/level of the internet. Maybe that's behind the talks mentioned above. And in the worst case the possession of a device without those modules could be made illegal one day.
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I don´t think it will happen in 2012. Maybe later for example in 2050 but IMHO 2012 isn´t very real...



Lol no way.........Technology is more advanced and getting better....they arent just gunna do this to the internet
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if this happens!
where am i going to d/l my exam papers when im a senioR?!
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It'll never happen because of the amount of b2b on the internet right now.

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LOL...It reminds me the recent South Park episode "Over Logging".

"One day the citizens of South Park wake up and find the internet is gone. When Randy hears there may still be some internet out in California, he packs up his family and heads west."

Google it... it's funny.
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There's some intelligence suggesting that in case of an (hopefully not occuring) attack on Iran which probably would be nuclear the internet would effectively be shut off so nobody would know what's going on. Cable-cuts in February could have served as a test of feasability.

Also an EMP (by HAARP/Barium-Aluminium Chemtrails?) could shut down all conventional communication and computation.

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DUBAI - An estimated 1.7 million Internet users in the UAE have been affected due to the recent cable cuts, an expert said on February 4, quoting recent figures published by TeleGeography, an international research website.

Internet data was majorly affected as it is the biggest capacity carried by the undersea cables. However, all voice calls, corporate data and video traffic were also affected.

Two du experts briefed the media on the current methods being undertaken by the telecom provider to re-route the Internet traffic to provide normalcy to the users.

Quoting TeleGeography and describing the effect the cuts had on the Internet world, Mahesh Jaishanker, executive director, Business Development and Marketing, du, said, "The submarine cable cuts in FLAG Europe-Asia cable 8.3km away from Alexandria, Egypt and SeaMeWe-4 affected at least 60 million users in India, 12 million in Pakistan, 6 million in Egypt and 4.7 million in Saudi Arabia."

A total of five cables being operated by two submarine cable operators have been damaged with a fault in each. These are SeaMeWe-4 (South East Asia-Middle East-Western Europe-4) near Penang, Malaysia, the FLAG Europe-Asia near Alexandria, FLAG near the Dubai coast, FALCON near Bandar Abbas in Iran and SeaMeWe-4, also near Alexandria.

The first cut in the undersea Internet cable occurred on January 23, in the Flag Telcoms FALCON submarine cable which was not reported. This has not been repaired yet and the cause remains unknown, explained Jaishanker.


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Rumors and speculation about why five undersea cables to the Middle East have been severed — and what it means for IT security.

Jim Higdon on February 7, 2008

Since Jan. 30, 2008, there has been a troubling pattern of underwater anarchy. At first, it was reported that two, then three, then five undersea fiber-optic cables in key bottlenecks global undersea Internet connection — off the coast of Egypt and in the Persian Gulf — had been severed. Initially, reports claimed that the two Egyptian cuts were due to a ship’s dragging anchor during inclement weather — an explanation that has since been discounted. In the meantime, three more cables appear to have been severed, (for a total of five), all with direct connections to the Middle East, India and Southeast Asia.

With no official account that would sufficiently explain why so many cable disruptions could occur in such a short period of time, rumors and speculation have swirled across blogs, offering explanations from the tongue-in-cheek to the telltale signs of imminent warfare.
What Happened, and When?

On Jan. 30 — five miles north of Alexandria, Egypt and deep in the Mediterranean Sea — two cables 400 yards apart were cut One of the cables is owned by Indian company FLAG Telecom, a subsidiary of Reliance Communications Ltd.; the other, SEA-ME-WE 4, is owned by a consortium of 16 telecoms and connects 16 cities between Singapore and Marseille, France.

With the cuts, Egypt lost 70 percent of its connectivity, and India lost more than 50 percent of its outbound traffic, “messing up the country’s outsourcing industry,” according to The Economist. Initially, a spokesperson for FLAG Telecom told the The Register that the cut had been caused by a ship's anchor, but the Egypti's telecommunications industry told The Associated Press that there were no ships in the area at the time.

When a third cut occurred on another FLAG Telecom line on Feb. 1 — on the other side of the Arabian Peninsula, in the waters near Dubai — many online observers detected a pattern that some considered malicious. Some bloggers and commenters suggested that the cable cuts represented a precursor to an American invasion of Iran, fueled by incorrect and unfounded rumors that the cuts had left Iran in the dark (proof to the contrary can be found at Renesys and Google's Iranian search engine). Other theories (some of which are absurd) include scuba-diving jihadis attempting to disrupt American NSA (National Security Agency) surveillance; an attempt to delay the opening of the Iranian oil markets; seals (the mammals, not the elite commandos) trained by the U.S. Navy; and the monster from "Cloverfield."
Cover-Up?

Skeptics, meanwhile, have pointed to more mundane culprits such as undersea earthquakes or seafloor mudslides. The anchor explanation from the Alexandria, Egypt cuts seemed like a cover story to some observers, especially after Egyptian officials dismissed them. So many who saw a devious plan at work ignored the fact that the third cut had, in fact, been caused by a shipping incident, according to FLAG Telecom officials, after they discovered a 5-to-6-ton anchor near the scene of the disruption.

On Feb. 4, the Interational Herald Tribune reported that four cables had been cut. The next day, the Khaleej Times reported from Dubai that five cables run by FLAG Telecom and SEA-ME-WE 4 had been severed, affecting 1.7 million Internet users in the United Arab Emirates, in addition to at “least 60 million users in India, 12 million in Pakistan, six million in Egypt and 4.7 million in Saudi Arabia.” The fifth cable outage was due to power issues, but it was swept up into the perceived conspiracy web out of coincidence and convenience.

While the causes of three of the five cuts remain unknown, repair crews are en route. Officials from FLAG Telecom and SEA-ME-WE 4 estimate that the cables will be fully functional within three days, according to Reuters.

The comment storm across the blogosphere following these events has proved largely unreliable but has increased awareness of several important facts: The USS Jimmy Carter, a Seawolf-class nuclear-powered submarine, can spy on the Internet underwater; the Pentagon considers the Internet “an enemy weapons system”; and, President George W. Bush signed a secret order to expand the NSA’s network-monitoring programs just four days before the first two fiber-optic cables were mysteriously disrupted.
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ISP's block access to newsgroups - What is next??

Now we're seeing the wraith of what's about to come.
I believe this is only the beginning.

Keyword: ISPs.

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Time Warner, Verizon, and Sprint... All blocking access to Usenet nationwide??

This is absolutely horrible. Might be the first steps taken in the US to block more things... Just because they don't like what some people do doesn't mean they should block access to it.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9964895-38.html

Very very scary times. We might as well all start living in china and have their super firewalls blocking what we can and can't see.

No one is going to stand up to these new rules, and we will just lose more and more of our freedoms just like we saw with the US after the patriot act that no one read before it was passed.




Are we still laughing?
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