what not to do if you sign up/start to be involved in domaining - Page 2

.tv · 05-30-2008, 02:47 AM

Limit the number of new registrations for at least a full-year before you learn the basics, this could save you a lot!

Instead of newly registering a dozen of junks, look for a single & decent domain name in aftermarket.

-REECE- · 05-30-2008, 02:56 AM

Word.

A newbie regging 10+ names per day keeps senior members laughing away.

Originally Posted by .tv

Limit the number of new registrations for at least a full-year before you learn the basics, this could save you a lot!

Instead of newly registering a dozen of junks, look for a single & decent domain name in aftermarket.

Sleepys · 05-30-2008, 09:55 AM

Don't buy a name based on traffic estimates of one of the auction houses (ahem TDNAM and Sedo). Create your own traffic estimate.

Originally Posted by Reece

If you're a newbie, don't reg anything that's available. There's a 99% chance you're too uneducated to register anything worthy of being resold.

If you are a newbie, you can still register names, just do your research and make sure you are registering that name for the same reasons that the pros register names.

-REECE- · 05-30-2008, 10:00 AM

From what I've seen, most newbies need to be educated on what the word research means. Most pros don't handreg -- much more money in the aftermarket

Originally Posted by Sleepys

Don't buy a name based on traffic estimates of one of the auction houses (ahem TDNAM and Sedo). Create your own traffic estimate.

If you are a newbie, you can still register names, just do your research and make sure you are registering that name for the same reasons that the pros register names.

Sleepys · 05-30-2008, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Reece

From what I've seen, most newbies need to be educated on what the word research means. Most pros don't handreg -- much more money in the aftermarket

That is true. I am just saying that it is possible to research enough to register good names. If a newbie does enough research to know what a good handreg is, does that make them no longer a newb?

A question for the ages. I agree that most pros don't handreg and only look at the aftermarket, but that is partially because they are lazy. I could easily handreg maybe 5 names a day that are profitable (not just valuable to me, but profitably parked). It takes ingenuity and knowing what to reg.

Ross · 05-30-2008, 10:09 AM

Recent sales are very very important, they will help you determine the value of the market.

Http://www.namebio.com

Also read Rick Latona's articles on "What make a domain Sellable"

http://www.ricklatona.com/2008/05/09...main-sellable/

Read all 4 sections, it makes sense and should make you think twice before your purchases.

***mwzd*** · 05-31-2008, 02:28 PM

Buy 1 great name, as against 100 so-so ones.

Its easier to manage.

Not to mention, cheaper to renew!

JMJ · 05-31-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

Not only should you not pay for an appraisal, you should ignore every appraisal you ever see unless it was from the NP Appraisal section.

I would ignore those too.

DiggleNamer · 05-31-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by JMJ

I would ignore those too.

Remember your domain is only worth its income generating potential + the price it can secure at exit.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/475391-what-not-do-if-you-sign.html

As this thread has stated - dont trust the traffic stats of others, and dont rely on appraisals to estimate exit value. So how the heck do you do it?

You have to develp the skills to estimate what generates incomes, and how much, and what buyers will pay for your domains in the future. These are skills that I do not have, and for that reason after three months of researching this business I am going to keep studying before investing in this industry. I would advise others to do the same.

In a young, growing, changing industry the most valuable asset you can have is knowledge - once you have that you can apply it to making money.

And remember - I am a nube so this could all be wrong! Study for yourself, apply your knowledge, and let me know if you find out how to make money!

Rebies · 05-31-2008, 04:18 PM

If you really want to make it big - don't listen to what the others say. If everyone is doing it - you are going to have a hard time competing as well. When people are not doing it - you have a market with little competition. Make sure you diversify and don't make any one investment too big for you to handle. Just like any portfolio - be diverse and learn OVER TIME what you are good at, then focus more on that niche. Remember, renewals will HIT YOU HARD 1 year later. Be prepared for that.

orphis · 05-31-2008, 05:37 PM

Never ever ever reg names while drunk. Can make for an expensive night!

If hand regging, focus on geo or trends that have not really started yet. Example would be palladium ring domains. The trend now is platinum but palladium is gaining popularity with high platinum costs and might be some good names still left to handreg. Example might not be a good one, but you get the point.

Watch-out for sites with high traffic that is tied to recent media events and will not continue.

Sam · 05-31-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Reece

Another great read located here: http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-...some-tips.html

Time for another suggestion: Newbies, COM is your GOD. To abandon King COM is to abandon YOUR GOD. (no offense to atheists and agnostics intended!)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=475391

Seriously newbies, you abandon COM at your own peril. Don't even think for a second you have the knowledge or experience to invest intelligently in a speculative extension -- because you don't. And 6 months from now you'll be the first one crying foul if you disregard this advice.

dont abandon your home TLD, .com if american.

liquidcherry · 06-01-2008, 08:39 PM

hey there,

I just feel like to bump.....any mod wants to sticky this important thread?

:-)

Cheers,

Frank

netfleet · 06-01-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Reece

Time for another suggestion: Newbies, COM is your GOD. To abandon King COM is to abandon YOUR GOD. (no offense to atheists and agnostics intended!)

Seriously newbies, you abandon COM at your own peril. Don't even think for a second you have the knowledge or experience to invest intelligently in a speculative extension -- because you don't. And 6 months from now you'll be the first one crying foul if you disregard this advice.

My advice for newbies is actually the precise opposite of above.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=475391

Newbies, don't invest in COM!! Reason being it's too competitive & growth is nearly exhausted (although the latter is just IMHO). However there's no denying that domainers in COM are experienced, seasoned veterans with whom you would struggle to compete.

So again, contrary to above, seek the new extensions, cc-TLD's, areas in which the competition might not have such a headstart.

Of course echoing all the comments here about researching, reading, learning & being conservative to start with.

-REECE- · 06-01-2008, 11:27 PM

Plenty of aftermarket opportunities for newbies still exist in .com, assuming they're not coming into domaining flat broke. Several domainers on this board (including me) have made 1000%+ ROI over the last couple years in .com. Compare that to the measly sub-100% ROI I've made in .info, .org, .net, and the negative return I've made on .mobi...

Stick with .com -- aftermarket .coms

Originally Posted by netfleet

My advice for newbies is actually the precise opposite of above.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=475391

Newbies, don't invest in COM!! Reason being it's too competitive & growth is nearly exhausted (although the latter is just IMHO). However there's no denying that domainers in COM are experienced, seasoned veterans with whom you would struggle to compete.

So again, contrary to above, seek the new extensions, cc-TLD's, areas in which the competition might not have such a headstart.

Of course echoing all the comments here about researching, reading, learning & being conservative to start with.

htmlindex · 06-02-2008, 04:06 AM

My Advice: Don't waste your money on regging .asia names

TordB.com · 06-10-2008, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by seven

try to limit the number of registrars you have

Why is that smart?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=475391

Originally Posted by -Nick-

One more is don't go to lousy registrars just to save a penny or two.

It will cost lots of headache later on. So it is not worth it.

What are some registars one should not use? For instance, is name.com safe?

Furthermore, what does "ROI" mean?

End User King · 06-10-2008, 08:24 AM

Dont get lured in by the great offers at 1&1 like I did years back!

Ross · 06-10-2008, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by netfleet

My advice for newbies is actually the precise opposite of above.

Newbies, don't invest in COM!! Reason being it's too competitive & growth is nearly exhausted (although the latter is just IMHO). However there's no denying that domainers in COM are experienced, seasoned veterans with whom you would struggle to compete.

So again, contrary to above, seek the new extensions, cc-TLD's, areas in which the competition might not have such a headstart.

Of course echoing all the comments here about researching, reading, learning & being conservative to start with.

.COM still has TONS of potential. Like i have said many many times before, TRENDS will ALWAYS be here. When a trend starts then there are oppourtunities for new domains that have potential to sell for a lot of money. Plus you dont need an AMAZING domain to develop. Development, if done in the right way, can cause a reg fee domain to gain value and potentially sell in the $xxxx range depending on revenue and traffic that it gets.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=475391

So what im trying to say is that there is always room for improvement and growth in the .COM extension.

As Reece has said the aftermarket can be profitable. You have to know what you are doing in the aftermarket. There are gems out there you just have to spot them and not hesitate otherwise they will be snached up by someone else that seen it.

To give an example of "flipping", there is a guy that writes this blog that had bought a couple stimuluscheck domains and he had put minisites on them and then sold each one for $xxx amounts. Now those domains would have been worthless if the government hadnt done what they did. So there is room for those types of domains you just have to be 2 steps ahead of everyone else.

squid · 06-10-2008, 08:58 AM

Before you register a domain that you think is amazing, think "Why is it still available?". A lot of domains I've thought of, really obscure have been taken, so when i find an available domain i am always left thinking, "Why is it available?". If you're sure it's a name you can sell, go for it, but if you have any doubts it's best to leave it.

Also keep a spreadsheet of your all your domains, so you can track profit/loss.

Idees · 06-10-2008, 09:10 AM

Return On Investment

Originally Posted by TordB.com

Furthermore, what does "ROI" mean?

kngavl · 06-10-2008, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by TordB.com

Why is that smart?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=475391

What are some registars one should not use? For instance, is name.com safe?

Furthermore, what does "ROI" mean?

It gets confusing and hard to manage when you have portfolio's at all these extra registrars when you can have them all at one. Plus since each registrar has it's own rules and guidelines you need to know them all rather then knowing the guidelines of only one registrar.

hawkeye · 06-10-2008, 10:59 AM

I'd suggest that newbies search the whole forum for 'newbie tips' like these, as for some reason, newbies won't find this thread in the 'newbie' section.

netfleet · 06-10-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tivo

.COM still has TONS of potential. Like i have said many many times before, TRENDS will ALWAYS be here. When a trend starts then there are oppourtunities for new domains that have potential to sell for a lot of money. Plus you dont need an AMAZING domain to develop. Development, if done in the right way, can cause a reg fee domain to gain value and potentially sell in the $xxxx range depending on revenue and traffic that it gets.

So what im trying to say is that there is always room for improvement and growth in the .COM extension.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=475391
As Reece has said the aftermarket can be profitable. You have to know what you are doing in the aftermarket. There are gems out there you just have to spot them and not hesitate otherwise they will be snached up by someone else that seen it.

To give an example of "flipping", there is a guy that writes this blog that had bought a couple stimuluscheck domains and he had put minisites on them and then sold each one for $xxx amounts. Now those domains would have been worthless if the government hadnt done what they did. So there is room for those types of domains you just have to be 2 steps ahead of everyone else.

Good points but trends exist across all extensions not just .com and, IMHO, are easier to exploit in less high profile extensions than COM.

I realise there is money to be made in .COM but I would imagine this would be mainly trading in the aftermarket, not via fresh registrations (sure there may be a few exceptions but I think you'd struggle to build up a strong portfolio of a few thousand names just be fresh reg's in COM, thesedays).

This thread is advice for newbies and as you said yourself, "you have to know what you are doing in the aftermarket".

Agree with your points about development - again this applies across all extensions but is probably something we ALL should be pursuing more actively.

lzy · 06-10-2008, 05:35 PM

This thread is getting better with each new post.

I echo the 'keep hand-regging to the minimum' tip.

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Rebies NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 41	If you really want to make it big - don't listen to what the others say. If everyone is doing it - you are going to have a hard time competing as well. When people are not doing it - you have a market with little competition. Make sure you diversify and don't make any one investment too big for you to handle. Just like any portfolio - be diverse and learn OVER TIME what you are good at, then focus more on that niche. Remember, renewals will HIT YOU HARD 1 year later. Be prepared for that.

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orphis New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 18	Never ever ever reg names while drunk. Can make for an expensive night! If hand regging, focus on geo or trends that have not really started yet. Example would be palladium ring domains. The trend now is platinum but palladium is gaining popularity with high platinum costs and might be some good names still left to handreg. Example might not be a good one, but you get the point. Watch-out for sites with high traffic that is tied to recent media events and will not continue.

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End User King Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,040	Dont get lured in by the great offers at 1&1 like I did years back!

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