Aren't you the guy who thinks CitizenHawk is the good guys?

Also, labrocca and Campbell do you have ANY good .com's? I would be interested to know if you guys have anything nice in the .com arena.

I see people who missed out on that seems to be the ones pushing the other TLD's the most, to a point of desperation. They also compare those TLD's to .com a lot and those TLD's are not .com.

OK, Since you say this and Labroca agrees with this in what alternative extension was developed BECAUSE of domainers on its side?

This is pointless and circular. If they were getting developed and worth something domainers would be there.

And your point?

I don't own a single pro domain. Most of my portfolio is .com. http://www.domado.com/list.php if you want to criticize me more.

That's an amazing assumption especially given I don't own any pro domains.

My post was simply pointing out that you are getting owned here in this thread. Campbell has your number.

I think .info is a good example. Because of cheap reg fees domainer flocked to the extension and then many developed MFA sites. It has good exposure and is often seen on the top domain sales list.

Now you name an extension that has been successful WITHOUT domainers. And you shouldn't count com,net or org since they were started before domainers was a word.

The success of mobi is almost purely related to domainers. Flowers.mobi generated an awful amount of hype. Everyone knows I am not a fan of mobi but for you to say that domainers can't or don't influence an extension is poppycock. You have no basis for that opinion.

You speak about people protecting their portfolio of pro's or whatever..seems to me it's how you think about your dot coms. Hey..I love dot com. It's king. Any fool with a portfolio should have dot coms. In the stock market every fool should hold some Dow stocks too but that doesn't mean he shouldn't diversify into penny stock or high risk a certain percentage.

You seem to be just missing some valid logical points made in this thread.

Campbell has even expressed he focuses mainly on dot coms. Where are you getting your assumptions from?

The statements here are basically that pro could use domainers help in pushing the extension. That's it. 6500 is meager. With domainers help they might reach 100k or more. I would say that exposure is invaluable to pro. Does it hurt dot com? No. Does it mean suddenly pro is worth a pile of money? No. It just means that pro won't be the pariah it has been to domainers. It might actually have a few good sites even. The law of averages just works for their favor. If just 1% of registrations get developed that's 10x more developed pro domains now that before. How does that hurt them?

btw...do you develop at all? Because if you don't then I can understand where you are coming from. Developer-Domainers have a better understanding of SEO and how extensions aren't necessarily that important. They also can take any name and make it a valuable site. If you're into parking..then you rely on one thing...type-in traffic. That's lame.

Diabro...read this whole thread. Figure out where you went wrong because someone you did.

EDIT: To add to my argument.

You make a perfect point. However it works against you. Your statement is circular. That means domainers are there if an extension is doing well but it's that circular mentality that domainers being there means it's doing well. You can't have one without the other. Your perfect world where an extension has large developed percentage with no domainers is out-of-touch with reality.

Reading your posts over and over I just can't understand how you don't make these connections.

You are going after Campbell for making dot com comparisons however he initially made very valid comparisons to dot info. You seemed to just overlook anything logical in this thread that you don't agree with instead using hyperbole to make your argument. We are more intelligent than that.

You don't have to like ice cream in order sell it. Point being that it doesn't take a believer to understand that pro needs domainers if it wants to make more money. I really haven't read anywhere in this thread someone heralding the coming of dot pro.

Diabro, very simple yes or no question for you to answer. Did the domainer Rick Schwartz' purchase of Flowers.mobi for $200,000 in October 2006 help .mobi's development?

http://news.domainmonster.com/dotmobi_potential/

Diabro I responded to all your points 1 by 1 for 2-3 posts but if I did that every night I got home after 12 hours in the office or on a train I'd never get anything else done.

I am done. I think everyone here knows the type of person you are now Diabro. Welcome to my ignore list. Just remember that the people you abuse on the way up are the same people you want as friends on the way down.

For me .pro has other uses than just being "professional", I can attest that Search Engines really do use the extension for searches as shown in my KeyPhrase list from Search Engines from my Ethanol.pro website stats. I posted this before so I'll use a shorter version.

Well google takes forever and I have not even submitted it anywhere, nor do I have any back links. However yahoo seems to like it.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...-t-501&ei=UTF-8

I've always have had trouble getting ranked well with goog, but thats mostly me and my complete lack of SEO skills.

So far Ethanol.pro is just a bunch of junk thrown on the page. It really don't have a design at all...that, for me at least, takes a lot of time.

Hostway Corporation, web hosting and managed technology services company, has indicated that ICANN has unanimously approved the the .Pro TLD.

Hostway has reported that RegistryPro, the exclusive operator of the .Pro top level domain (TLD) on the Internet, has received approval from the ICANN, to greatly expand the scope and availability of the .Pro TLD. The newly ratified terms of service increases the number of professionals who are eligible for the TLD, extends the availability globally, and streamlines the registration process.

Catherine Sigmar, General Manager at RegistryPro noted, ''This is a significant milestone for .Pro. By approving these changes, ICANN has given us the opportunity to open up .Pro to tens of millions of licensed and credentialed professionals and entities across the globe.''

Since launching in 2004, access to .Pro has been restricted to four professions: accountants, engineers, lawyers and medical professionals in Canada, Germany, the United Kingdom and the United States. Under the new terms of service, the TLD will become available to any professional or professional entity holding credentials from a certifying governmental authority anywhere in the world. These changes significantly broaden the market for the .Pro domain while still limiting the availability to professionals and maintaining the exclusive nature of the TLD.

In addition to the expanded scope, the new terms of service also makes it much easier to obtain a 2nd level domain and greatly simplify the registration process - thereby making .Pro domains both easier to obtain and more desirable.

Previously, stringent guidelines limited the availability of 2nd level .Pro domains (e.g. ''doctorsmith.pro'') and resulted in registrants opting for the easier to obtain 3rd level domains (e.g. ''doctorsmith.med.pro.'') The new terms of service eliminates the additional requirements for 2nd level domains, making these shorter, more desirable addresses available to anyone that meets the general TLD requirements.

The registration process has also been simplified. Individuals were previously required to submit written documentation of their credentials from an authorized certifying authority. These credentials would then be manually authenticated and verified by the registry - a process that greatly impacted the time and effort required to register a .Pro domain. Under the new registration process, the registrants need only supply the type of certification they hold, the name of the organization, and their license number on the registration form.

Per the published minutes of a Special Meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors posted on ICANN's web site, the proposed changes to the .Pro Registry Agreement were approved by a voice vote of 10 to 0. These changes clearly remove the principal hurdles that have previously challenged the adoption of the TLD, but Sigmar emphasizes that .Pro is still a premium domain space for professionals and professional entities. In the interest of keeping .Pro focused on the professional community, RegistryPro is introducing a Terms of Use Agreement that every customer will be required to accept.

Mr. Sigmar added, ''Our position all along has been we don't want to become an unrestricted, general use TLD. That's why we've developed the new Terms of Use Agreement.''

As noted in the published ICANN minutes, ''Registrants will be required to annually reaffirm that they are using the registration for the professional purpose as intended.''

The new Terms of Use obligates new and renewing registrants to do three key things: 1) self-certify professional credentials, 2) agree that their .Pro domain will be used only by them and 3) consent to use .Pro domains only in relation to professional services. As part of its commitment to ICANN, RegistryPro will monitor new and renewed domains to ensure that registrants adhere to these regulations.

Mr. Sigmar continued, ''We understand this is a major shift, and we encourage current .Pro registrants to contact their sponsoring registrars if they have any questions about how these changes impact them. Our priority now is to help registrants and registrars determine how the new agreement affects them, as well as educate professionals internationally about the benefits of the .Pro TLD.''

Plans are in progress to relaunch .Pro with a target date of July 14, 2008.

Hostway Corporation provides domain name registration, web hosting and ecommerce, colocation, managed dedicated hosting, SaaS hosting, Web design and online marketing services to more than 600,000 customers worldwide. It operates state-of-the art data centers that reduce the complexity and cost of Web-based technologies for small businesses and large enterprises. Founded in 1998, Hostway is one of the three largest Web hosting companies in the world with a direct presence in 11 countries, 15 worldwide operation centers and more than 700 employees. Hostway franchises include: Affinity Internet, Bigstep, DiscountDomains, Hostway UK, Hostway Netherlands, Hostway Korea, Hostway Australia, Hostway Denmark, NetNation, PowerMedium, RegistryPro, Server Service, Service Over Internet, ValueWeb and WinSave.

RegistryPro operates the .Pro top-level domain (TLD), an Internet registry exclusively for professionals who meet specific eligibility requirements and undergo a verification process. All .Pro names are issued with a digital certificate, an online passport that facilitates secure communications and transactions. RegistryPro provides a new way for professionals to distinguish themselves on the Internet by using the .Pro extension. Initially offered to doctors, lawyers, accountants, and engineers, the .Pro domain name provides a solution for professionals who require heightened confidentiality and security in their online communications.

I think SIGMAR killing dot PRO, or am I wrong?