LH.com Lost ! - Page 3

liquidcherry · 04-28-2008, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

In this case it has hit someone that can potentially afford to go for a lawsuit and end this disaster caused by an uneducated, unreasonable and simply false decision. My problem is more along the lines of; what happens when it hits any of us? The ones that have enough to collect domains, but cannot afford a 6-digit lawsuit to defend what's rightfully ours?
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M.

How about creating a fund for days(they will come) like that, backed /managed by the DNOA...oh and don't forget the ribbon! :-)

Of course, there needs a lot of legal work to be done...and who is eligible etc...

Anyway, i just wonder how many free flights/air miles the panelist have received :-)

Cheers,

Frank

Charley · 04-28-2008, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

How is LH not a generic domain ?

Generic names are products or services that can also be categories, processes, phrases, job titles, places and dictionary words.

Also known as Direct Navigation

equity78 · 04-28-2008, 08:35 AM

Right they said LH not a generic domain.

Respondent engages in the mass acquisition of two-letter and three-letter domain names.

Respondent’s business model involves the indiscriminate acquisition and use of as many such domain names as possible.

Respondent claims that “Hundreds if not thousands” of entities seek to use the “lh” mark [sic] and have offered Respondent up to $1,000,000 U.S. dollars for it.

The disputed domain name is identical to Complainant’s mark and is not generic.

-REECE- · 04-28-2008, 08:36 AM

He has the money to go after them if he wants to make an example out of them...

Originally Posted by Charley

I like being positive always and it is his domain name. But really this will go far beyond millions of dollars in the lawsuit.

Charley · 04-28-2008, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

The disputed domain name is identical to Complainant’s mark and is not generic.

Yes that is true.

That's the reason they hijacked the name.

Originally Posted by Reece

He has the money to go after them if he wants to make an example out of them...

Right, would like to read updates as the case moves along.

staffjam · 04-28-2008, 10:08 AM

This is very worrying.
So is there any defence at all to a negative WIPO ruling?
No appeal process?

From what i'm understanding here - it's not a good idea to offer your domains for sale?
I'm just in the process of setting up a site with all my names listed, 2 character.coms, 3 letter.coms, one word .com's, 50 CVCV.com's, etc...
Now i'm being advised a perfectly legitimate trading business is in danger of having it's assets taken away for nothing - unbelievable.

This business is hard enough without having rodents stealing from you.

I really think all domainers large and small need to put their heads and resources together to find a way to fight these sort of decisions or at least level the playing field.

VisionEdger · 04-28-2008, 10:16 AM

it just goes to show that you do NOT own ANY domains, they are simply rented and the landlords (wipo, icann etc) are acting on their and the big $$$$ corps own secret agendas! This industry is just getting started with such activity imho. This is just the beginning of such nefarious activity no doubt.

Mike · 04-28-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by VisionEdger

it just goes to show that you do NOT own ANY domains, they are simply rented and the landlords (wipo, icann etc) are acting on their and the big $$$$ corps own secret agendas! This industry is just getting started with such activity imho. This is just the beginning of such nefarious activity no doubt.

Food for a conspiracy theory in the making?
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I don't disagree - the Snowe bill is living proof that our assets are of complete unimportance.
The LH.com decision just predicts what's headed towards us. In all essence, and if i understood everything correctly, the LH ruling is just a Snowe bill executed before the actual bill has passed, correct?
WIPO being a bit preemptive here, eh? Or to fuel the fire on the conspiracy theory - does the WIPO panel know something about the passing of the Snowe bill that we don't know?

M.

onewordonly · 04-28-2008, 10:47 AM

Well I have just read the first page of this thread... they should have been given a huge payment at least for the domain, not just give it up with no compensation.

squid · 04-28-2008, 10:54 AM

Organizations like this have been set up, yet the people running have no real idea about the domaining world. Maybe they should employ domainers, not morons who have never registered a domain in their life.

It's stupid how they can take a domain, because a company believes it belongs to them. If i claimed a company was mine, because it shared my name, where would i get? Nowhere.

There's got to be a bribe in this, in can't simply be that WIPO believe the domain is rightfully that companies, bulls**t!

RogueWriter · 04-28-2008, 11:21 AM

I disagree that they should have been given a huge payment for the domain, as that implies there was some aspect of the wipo that remained valid.

The only legitimate result of this should have been a rejection of the hijacking attempt, plain and simple. I would certainly hope this gets reversed, and that the culprits get a humiliating, financially brutalizing WWE-styled smackdown - anything less leaves the door open for large scale sniping.

domi · 04-28-2008, 11:22 AM

He was offered $1Million for the domain people did offer to buy the domain and 1million bucks is a fair deal.
Domains do not belong to the registrants and yes it can be taken away if abused.
If you are hoarding many lll.coms and ll.coms that is just hijacking the market IMHO.
Its called GREED

squid · 04-28-2008, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by domi

He was offered $1Million for the domain people did offer to buy the domain and 1million bucks is a fair deal.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=462891
Domains do not belong to the registrants and yes it can be taken away if abused.
If you are hoarding many lll.coms and ll.coms that is just hijacking the market IMHO.
Its called GREED

First come first serve.
So you're saying somebody who spends a lot of effort working towards earning a lot of money should have that money taken from them, because they own too much?

equity78 · 04-28-2008, 11:25 AM

The thing that's interesting is they made an offer to buy it and Elequa only wanted to lease the domain out. That should be proof to the WIPO if they felt they were the rightful owner why did they offer to buy it ?

Pred · 04-28-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by domi

He was offered $1Million for the domain people did offer to buy the domain and 1million bucks is a fair deal.
Domains do not belong to the registrants and yes it can be taken away if abused.
If you are hoarding many lll.coms and ll.coms that is just hijacking the market IMHO.
Its called GREED

he doesn't sell. he's come on record and said before. his privilege.
i respect that. that will also help his defence. lufthansa are gonna get a rocket up their german arse lol

i have no great respect for him for his empire or anything as he's not self made, he has an incredibly rich family by all accounts, however what he invests in is his business, he's hurting no-one and he develops too, he is slowly building up sites.

btw, his buyouts of lll.biz, lll.info have raised prices for us all don't forget
although his biz investment is not looking too sexy
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-REECE- · 04-28-2008, 11:29 AM

I don't know why he offered to lease it? Regardless, the decision has wrong written all over it. Lufthansa is entitled to Lufthansa.com, that I can understand and agree to... But LH.com?

Originally Posted by domi

He was offered $1Million for the domain people did offer to buy the domain and 1million bucks is a fair deal.
Domains do not belong to the registrants and yes it can be taken away if abused.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=462891
If you are hoarding many lll.coms and ll.coms that is just hijacking the market IMHO.
Its called GREED

domi · 04-28-2008, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by squid

First come first serve.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=462891
So you're saying somebody who spends a lot of effort working towards earning a lot of money should have that money taken from them, because they own too much?

The Internet was not created for some specific people to milk it. It was created for legit uses.

Pred · 04-28-2008, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

The thing that's interesting is they made an offer to buy it and Elequa only wanted to lease the domain out. That should be proof to the WIPO if they felt they were the rightful owner why did they offer to buy it ?

yup, we've seen this before, normally the panel get it right when they see people have bmade approaches to buy then had a hissy fit which is what 'those dicks lufthansa the incompetent airline' (just want that indexed lol).
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another sign the 'panel' are at best incompetent

this will get overturned im sure, shame all the lawyers and wipo dont get fined after, bitches

equity78 · 04-28-2008, 11:34 AM

Who are you to say what is legit, there is nothing illegitimate about registering domains so you are way off.

domi · 04-28-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by arnie

he doesn't sell. he's come on record and said before. his privilege.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=462891
i respect that. that will also help his defence. lufthansa are gonna get a rocket up their german arse lol

i have no great respect for him for his empire or anything as he's not self made, he has an incredibly rich family by all accounts, however what he invests in is his business, he's hurting no-one and he develops too, he is slowly building up sites.

btw, his buyouts of lll.biz, lll.info have raised prices for us all don't forget
although his biz investment is not looking too sexy

Thats right! All these prices are just fabricated due to one person owning all these domains. They are false values and can crash at any time if policy changes on how many domains a person can own.

equity78 · 04-28-2008, 11:36 AM

I love when people pontificate about what the internet "was created for" there is no one it is only your opinion. And if you look at stats depending on who puts the stats out but either 20 % or 1 in 5 or 25% 1 in 4 searches is for porn. So I guess the internet was created as a masturbatory tool.

RogueWriter · 04-28-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by domi

The Internet was not created for some specific people to milk it. It was created for legit uses.

Okay, same logic, your house was not built for you to keep it, if a business wants to build a hog farm there, that's their right. Plus, if you won't sell, they can take it for free.

Again, same logic, I create a business, you decide you should own that business because it was a great idea. You take my shares from me just because you think you should own it instead of me. Hmmm, how is that fair again?
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Suggesting that a business enterprise is not legitimate use would cut internet usage by 99.9999999999999 percent, and virtually NO ONE could own a domain name.

domi · 04-28-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

Who are you to say what is legit, there is nothing illegitimate about registering domains so you are way off.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=462891
Why am I way off? I did not say you can’t register domains. I said it is wrong to hoard the market for your own greed. Domains do not belong to you it is not a fixture but a leased commodity

gazzip · 04-28-2008, 11:38 AM

Thats sick, I really hope he sues the shit out of them - scamming wan***s

Originally Posted by Alex

Elequa has his own registrar and could have moved it there, but he kept it at Moniker. Wil be interesting to follow the story

He previously lost a very good generic "because" he moved the name

A guy from Hawaii also lost a GEO name for basically not using it for years, ie: not developing or parking it

It seems the only way to protect your names is to develope them and make sure it does'nt have anything to do with any TM holders.

Sucks big time that something so generic can be TMarked

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domi · 04-28-2008, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by RogueWriter

Okay, same logic, your house was not built for you to keep it, if a business wants to build a hog farm there, that's their right. Plus, if you won't sell, they can take it for free.

Suggesting that a business enterprise is not legitimate use would cut internet usage by 99.9999999999999 percent, and virtually NO ONE could own a domain name.

A business is legit. A service is legit. But hoarding names is not. Most of the better domains are in the hands of owners who park them. What use is that to the net?

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equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	Right they said LH not a generic domain. Respondent engages in the mass acquisition of two-letter and three-letter domain names. Respondent’s business model involves the indiscriminate acquisition and use of as many such domain names as possible. Respondent claims that “Hundreds if not thousands” of entities seek to use the “lh” mark [sic] and have offered Respondent up to $1,000,000 U.S. dollars for it. The disputed domain name is identical to Complainant’s mark and is not generic. __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

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staffjam NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 883	This is very worrying. So is there any defence at all to a negative WIPO ruling? No appeal process? From what i'm understanding here - it's not a good idea to offer your domains for sale? I'm just in the process of setting up a site with all my names listed, 2 character.coms, 3 letter.coms, one word .com's, 50 CVCV.com's, etc... Now i'm being advised a perfectly legitimate trading business is in danger of having it's assets taken away for nothing - unbelievable. This business is hard enough without having rodents stealing from you. I really think all domainers large and small need to put their heads and resources together to find a way to fight these sort of decisions or at least level the playing field. __________________ Buy Domain Names â€“ 9i.com, 3J.com, ZB.org, Foob.com, Wodo.com, Sixth.com â€“ These are just a few of the great names on offer at namecake.com (Click below) Buy Domain Names Solar Garden Lights Virtual Reality Games Last edited by staffjam; 04-28-2008 at 10:12 AM.

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onewordonly Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: by the beach Posts: 1,104	Well I have just read the first page of this thread... they should have been given a huge payment at least for the domain, not just give it up with no compensation. __________________ Domain Name Coupon Codes for popular registers including: Domain name coupons - GoDaddy.com Coupons - Hosting Coupons ... more

04-28-2008, 11:21 AM	#61 (permalink)
RogueWriter NamePros Expert Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Smalltown USA Posts: 5,024	I disagree that they should have been given a huge payment for the domain, as that implies there was some aspect of the wipo that remained valid. The only legitimate result of this should have been a rejection of the hijacking attempt, plain and simple. I would certainly hope this gets reversed, and that the culprits get a humiliating, financially brutalizing WWE-styled smackdown - anything less leaves the door open for large scale sniping. __________________ "I'm so mean I make MEDICINE sick." -Muhammad Ali

04-28-2008, 11:25 AM	#64 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	The thing that's interesting is they made an offer to buy it and Elequa only wanted to lease the domain out. That should be proof to the WIPO if they felt they were the rightful owner why did they offer to buy it ? __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

04-28-2008, 10:16 AM	#57 (permalink)
VisionEdger NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 704	it just goes to show that you do NOT own ANY domains, they are simply rented and the landlords (wipo, icann etc) are acting on their and the big $$$$ corps own secret agendas! This industry is just getting started with such activity imho. This is just the beginning of such nefarious activity no doubt.

04-28-2008, 10:54 AM	#60 (permalink)
squid Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Stafford Posts: 993	Organizations like this have been set up, yet the people running have no real idea about the domaining world. Maybe they should employ domainers, not morons who have never registered a domain in their life. It's stupid how they can take a domain, because a company believes it belongs to them. If i claimed a company was mine, because it shared my name, where would i get? Nowhere. There's got to be a bribe in this, in can't simply be that WIPO believe the domain is rightfully that companies, bulls**t!

04-28-2008, 11:22 AM	#62 (permalink)
domi NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 163	He was offered $1Million for the domain people did offer to buy the domain and 1million bucks is a fair deal. Domains do not belong to the registrants and yes it can be taken away if abused. If you are hoarding many lll.coms and ll.coms that is just hijacking the market IMHO. Its called GREED

04-28-2008, 11:34 AM	#69 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	Who are you to say what is legit, there is nothing illegitimate about registering domains so you are way off. __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

04-28-2008, 11:36 AM	#71 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	I love when people pontificate about what the internet "was created for" there is no one it is only your opinion. And if you look at stats depending on who puts the stats out but either 20 % or 1 in 5 or 25% 1 in 4 searches is for porn. So I guess the internet was created as a masturbatory tool. __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

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