[Red Rock]

This was created by Reece
The member of the Month!
out of 90,000 people here
Reece was the member of the Month!
He is also on Staff, here.
His "Send short domains to Sedo" thread was an overnight success!
Why cant we, the little people, have our opportunity,
just as the big LLLL Club!???
Its the same thing!
just a few more letters!

Ya know Sedo should thank us!
How much more business will they get from these 2 threads?
Alot!
They are still gonna get their 10%!
Whats 10% of Alot,
I dont know but I'd like 10% of Alot!
LOL

[-REECE-]

And I'm the one who placed that $60 bid on your domain specifically because I was aware that it's worth much more than that... As you said, no favor -- we didn't even communicate. If anything, this thread (the short domains sedo auction thread) may actually discourage favors because domainers wouldn't have to resort to pming me and asking for "help".

I'm a pretty nice guy by nature... If you ask me to start a Sedo auction with a bid under min wholesale on that type of domain, how can I refuse?

Originally Posted by timphelan

I see the short domain I bid on that went to auction is on hold. Maybe Sedo saw this thread? I don't see anything wrong with this thread really. There's no favors being exchanged. The domain I bid on I would love to have. The domains I put in the short domain thread are worth more than $60 IMO because I know I would have to take a bit of a chance to get them started at $60. Hmmm.

[Red Rock]

C'mon,
Bring that thread back!???

You watch, that will be the fastest growing thread here!
A whirlwind of opportunities for all of us,
that we otherwise wouldnt have.

Sure we could post individual threads in the external auction forum,
then be lost after an hour or 2...

This is such common sense.
One location.
One price kicks it off.
You win, you buy.
Done.
what is the harm in that?

Hey everyone,
If my account gets closed,
I'm gonna come back as Rock Red!

Just a heads up, cuz you know...
the trader rating and posts and all that stuff
are gonna be a little low for awhile.

[Mark]

Please do not open any more "Post your Domains here to go to auction" threads until we've had time to discuss it folks ... That's not very respectful. The other threads were moved to private already for a reason , Only a few of the staff/mods have given an opinion as of yet (Live auction being one reason).

I've spoken to Reece about it - He knows I'll move them back later if the Mod Squad all feels it'll be fine - But until then ... No need for more of them.

[Red Rock]

Originally Posted by Mark

Please do not open any more "Post your Domains here to go to auction" threads until we've had time to discuss it folks ... That's not very respectful. The other threads were moved to private already for a reason , Only a few of the staff/mods have given an opinion as of yet (Live auction being one reason). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/461518-how-about-sticky-thread-send-sedo.html I've spoken to Reece about it - He knows I'll move them back later if the Mod Squad all feels it'll be fine - But until then ... No need for more of them.

OK,
No Problem,
Sorry about that!

But Mark,
Please be open-minded about this.
We are all friends here, Yes, that helps!
But if I bid on a domain of yours, I'm GONNA buy it.
if I know you are interested in one of mine,
Whats the harm in asking you if its worth $60.00 to you?

This is a GREAT opportunity that is desperately needed.
NP is an Awesome forum.
But it is like a decent sized city.
Imagine if more of us had the opportunity to expose our names to more of the world, with one simple thread.
I want some good $ for some of my domains, as we all do.
I would hope there will be some NPers bidding on what I think is worth $60.00
Of course, I am going to do the SAME for other NPers,
that is not a bad thing.
I am not going out of my way to do so,
because I will only bid $60.00 for something that seems like its worth $60.00 to me.

This could ONLY help everyone in here.
Who knows, you may jump in the thread too!

[-REECE-]

Not to insult Sedo or whatever decision NP Management + Staff arrive at here and what follows below is just my opinion, but...

With how many buyers/sellers I've had crash sales (almost 50%) on me through Sedo, I'd actually be happy to know someone from this trusted community has bid on my name, rather than some unknown stranger at Sedo.

[timphelan]

Yes, that domain should be worth a few hundred bucks at least.

This is an interesting way to sell domains I think. I just don't think it will pay off for those who make bids on names that they don't want.

Plus, as a buyer it's a way to get a chance for a good deal. For the seller it's a chance to get a reasonable amount for your domain. Both are taking a chance, and that's the way it should be with an auction. Right?

The only thing different in having these threads and having people post individual threads in the auction forum here, is these threads will speed things up a bit and make it more convienant for both bidders and sellers.

Tim

Originally Posted by Reece

And I'm the one who placed that $60 bid on your domain specifically because I was aware that it's worth much more than that... As you said, no favor -- we didn't even communicate. If anything, this thread (the short domains sedo auction thread) may actually discourage favors because domainers wouldn't have to resort to pming me and asking for "help". ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=461518 I'm a pretty nice guy by nature... If you ask me to start a Sedo auction with a bid under min wholesale on that type of domain, how can I refuse?

[Jeff]

Some good and constructive points raised here ... but I would - in this case - strongly lean on the side of caution, and thus both concur and vote for the following IMHO.

Originally Posted by Mark

Sorry - But I personally see this turning into "Shilling For Favors" .... I'm Not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about this at all Folks. If you can't post the auction in our "External Auctions" section and get a bid without favors - There was no interest in the domain(s) to begin with "IMO".

Despite all of the best intentions, community support, potential deals for buyers and/or potential liquidity for sellers, and the feeling of trust since a great percentage of Sedo auctions never actually close and transfer ... this is not a good thing in the context of credibility for Namepros and the larger domain name industry, in my judgement. Through no fault of ours, there are already (some might argue, severe) credibility issues with respect to the domain name aftermarket ... should this strategy become regular practice, and then happening en masse in thread after thread at Sedo (and, in whole or in part, stemming from Namepros™), it may very well exacerbate these perceptions of credibility, IMHO.

This is one of those times, as difficult and unfriendly as it may seem now at first blush, where caution is strongly advised ... with those known public perceptions that already exist in mind ... as well as for its abiltity to snowball irreversibly (should many, many threads at Sedo be started in this fashion at Sedo by members of our community), in my best judgement and experience.
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-Jeff

[Red Rock]

Am I at the right forum?

NamePros - Buy, Sell, Discuss Domain Names

Ok, I guess I am.
I just had to look up at the name and motto of this community,
once again.

So...Buy, Sell, Discuss Domain Names?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=461518

Yet we sit here in limbo waiting for the "Big Dogs"
to have a conference, about us....

"Discussing" our "Selling" technques/tips/help, to get into the
Largest Domain Auction House, so we can have Mass Appeal to
"Buyers" World Wide.

Kindof a No-Brainer to me!
I figure that would be more important then MOST of the threads, here!
Think of the increased exposure NamePros would have as
even a larger contributor to Sedos success!
Honest Trusted NP members will ONLY help carry out Honest trustworthy transactions.

I really dont see this being an issue at all.
I hope everyone on Staff here,
will Welcome those 2 threads back.

Thanks in advance for your consideration!

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Red Rock

Think of the increased exposure NamePros would have as even a larger contributor to Sedos success!

I can appreciate your energy and enthusiasm ... but I, and others, posted above specifically thinking about the amount and NATURE and TYPE of 'exposure' this might have for our #1 Namepros (which, even more than "Buy, Sell, Discuss" ... stands for (Domain) Name Professionals, IMHO).

Also being considered in this light, on my part ... is Sedo's level of success ... and while they generally do a pretty decent job, there are also - literally - dozens and dozens of threads here of displeasure and lack of support, and repeatedly of "sales" that never ended quite as successfully, as well. I don't think we have a responsiblity here to help Sedo with their success rate ... rather, I believe we owe it to ourselves to conduct and help build the aforementioned credibilty and perceptions of the larger domain name industry/profession!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=461518

Mass "send my domain to sedo auction" Namepros™ threads/links & Sedo auctions do not help toward this larger cause, in my view!
Just my two sense.

Originally Posted by Red Rock

Am I at the right forum?

Yes.

-Jeff

[Red Rock]

I dont know what to say anymore.
You make some valid points.

Will you bid on a couple of names for me???
Only $60.00 to kick 'em off!
LOL

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Red Rock

I dont know what to say anymore. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=461518 You make some valid points.

It's a good, healthy discussion to have ...

Quote:

Will you bid on a couple of names for me??? Only $60.00 to kick 'em off! LOL

^ Exactly.
You see?

Again, your energy is highly commendable ... together, we will do what is best, I have no doubt!
Thanks and see you soon.
-Jeff

[timphelan]

I still don't see any "mass" sending of domains to auction. Those who make bids on bad domains and don't pay when nobody else ends up bidding on the domain risk losing their accounts at Sedo. I personally don't want to lose my account at Sedo. So, I just think the potential for abuse is less than what some think. Most people won't be bidding on bad names, only those they would be happy to have for at least $60.

How is this not being professional?

Again, having threads like these is more a matter of convienance than anything.

[Red Rock]

Thx Tim,
I was getting tired.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=461518
They were wearing me down!
LOL

By the way, Great thread!
Rep Added.

To anyone who expresses a desire to have those 2 threads back...
PLEASE COMMENT!!!

This is a great service that we should all be very excited about!
We all have names that can appeal to each other,
no matter if it's a LLLL, or some 3-worder w/hyphens.
If you will legitimately buy the domain,
there is no problem.
I would love to see a list all in one place,
of potential Sedo auction listings!
Hopefully alot more people feel the same way!

They have not came back into this thread and said it was a 100%
decision to NOT bring those 2 threads back, yet.
So, If any onlookers have a quick supportive comment, Please do.
This is for us all!
Thx!

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by timphelan

I still don't see any "mass" sending of domains to auction.

Now and in the future as the site grows, if the precedent is set now ... it's the potential for mass "sending of domains to auction" threads / links / Sedo auctions; all, and increasingly and irreversibly stemming from Namepros™, IMHO.
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Quote:

Most people won't be bidding on bad names, only those they would be happy to have for at least $60.

It's a point to consider, but if it's not a bad name ... it should achieve at least $60 without having to "send it to sedo auction", simply by it's perceived quality IMHO.

Quote:

How is this not being professional?

There are true professionals on each side of this issue ... it's a good discussion, as I mentioned. I'm simply thinking ahead, and in the context of public perceptions and credibility for both Namepros and the larger domain name profession, IMHO. This is something - especially considering the amounts of new and newer members that have - and continue to be - signing up to our #1 Community - that has the possibility of snowballing in a way that was not intented, and certainly may not be desired. And, if this becomes true, I am unsure how we can turn back the clock without adding to or least reinforcing those same (mis)perceptions, humbly.

-Jeff

[hawkeye]

Originally Posted by timphelan

I still don't see any "mass" sending of domains to auction. Those who make bids on bad domains and don't pay when nobody else ends up bidding on the domain risk losing their accounts at Sedo. I personally don't want to lose my account at Sedo. So, I just think the potential for abuse is less than what some think. Most people won't be bidding on bad names, only those they would be happy to have for at least $60. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=461518 How is this not being professional? Again, having threads like these is more a matter of convienance than anything.

agree.

Originally Posted by Jeff

It's a point to consider, but if it's not a bad name ... it should achieve at least $60 without having to "send it to sedo auction", simply by it's perceived quality IMHO. :

..if someone knew it was there to bid on! But with 7 million names or so at Sedo, it's very easy to get lost or not noticed in the crowd of names. But once a name goes to auction it moves into a different visual spectrum so to speak, as many know who've noticed those names with a bid and suddenly decided they too would now bid on that name. It brings exposure to the name at auction. And also, not too many are going to be resubmitting their names if they start seeing their names not bringing any bidders and going cheaper than they hoped. Remember $60 auctions are with no reserve, so they sell for what they sell for, ...good, bad or ugly!!!

So it's a gamble that many here may not take too often for fear of 'losing to 'cheap money' bids. I think if it was limited to one name per member, per day, or even a week if that can be tracked, would be a reasonable guideline for it. I can see this as getting some more domain sales for all, and perhaps a reality check for those that think they have 'diamonds', to realize they are truely only high-polished CZ's. If that.

[goodkarmaco]

Reece is a nice guy and has helped many of us here. Mark is looking down the road. What really are the legal ramifications? Namepros also supports Sedo. The auctions houses are a big part of this business.

A person must think about all the members of Sedo and what will they say when word gets out that there is a thread here where you can bid on names to get a auction started.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=461518

Does Sedo have a list of names that $60.00 will start the auction?. I know in all their categories a person can find names that have a $60.00 start. If they have a link to names that a person can bid on starting at $60.00, I suppose there would not be a problem starting one here too. Only those who can really answer these questions know if it can be done or not.

I tend to agree with Reece that notifying a bud that a $60.00 bid can send a certain name to Sedo auctions is harmless to all parties.

That being said having a sort of outdoor bazaar with vendors yelling in the streets in the town of Namepros, "hear ye, hear ye, place a $60.00 bid here to start a Sedo auction", may not be in Namepros best interest. I don't know and like Mark states more discussion with management is needed.

Maybe Namepros management can make a call to Sedo management and discuss the possibilities of a "start a Sedo auction" thread.

[timphelan]

Quote:

Does Sedo have a list of names that $60.00 will start the auction?. I know in all their categories a person can find names that have a $60.00 start. If they have a link to names that a person can bid on starting at $60.00, I suppose there would not be a problem starting one here too.

They also allow sellers who have auctions going on to have lists in the description area of other domains they have at sedo. Many times you will see above the list a statement saying something such as "here's a list of my other names at Sedo, which if you make a bid at $60 I will send to auction."
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=461518

The list may have 100 or more domains. Sedo doesn't seem to mind this.

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Mark

Sorry - But I personally see this turning into "Shilling For Favors" .... I'm Not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about this at all Folks. If you can't post the auction in our "External Auctions" section and get a bid without favors - There was no interest in the domain(s) to begin with "IMO".

I didnt want to appear a kill joy but this is exactly my thoughts on the matter. If everyone played the game right then I have no problems trouble is, not everyone does and I can see some members (I have seen it already), making the odd back door deal just to send it to auction..

[Steve]

If Sedo would re-plan their model a little, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The current model is open to shill bidding (not saying it's happening as a result of this thread, but it invites shilling). Sedo needs to open up auctions for all rather than requiring a bid.

[Michelle]

I dont think I KNOW Reece had only good intentions. Its not the first time I have aired my view on this subject. It justs leaves it wide open for people to abuse.

[Jingles]

Personally I thought it was a great idea. Our names getting more exposure and a chance to perhaps find a buyer, and us in turn finding a great name to buy which we might not have normally ever even knew existed. I saw it as nothing more than that.

Although...hmmm...... first person to place a bid on one of my names gets fresh baked homemade cookies!!....(j/k )

[hawkeye]

Originally Posted by mellowmasher

... It justs leaves it wide open for people to abuse.

I disagree. Of course you can, and will have, abuse in anything. But what is going to playout here, is that either some will get great $60 (or so) names, or $60 klunkers!! This will quickly halt those that are losing their names to cheap prices with lack of bidders, and those that bid on 'stupid' names to help out friends will get tired of throwing their money away and stop 'helping'! I see where some can feel there will could be a sinister downside so to speak, but I think the true test will be in the 'results' of the auctions, and who is satisfied with those 'results'.

[Michael]

I understand the arguments against doing this, but I still don't think there is anything wrong with it. Sedo's system is so cluttered with garbage that it is hard to get your domain noticed, even if it is good.

I'm sure some of the mods have seen sales threads in which the seller sets a $x,xxx BIN and says a high $xxx offer will send it to auction. Was there anything wrong with it then?

If the seller is willing to take the risk of letting a domain go at $60, and the buyer wants the name at $60, I don't see where the problem is. There's no way to abuse that unless the buyer doesn't intend to follow through with the sale, but that would be a dumb move because you'd risk getting your Sedo account closed.

Would it sit better with the mods if rather than sending everything in at $60, the seller sets a price that they would be willing to send it to auction at? That would be more or less equivalent to me making a sale thread with a BIN, and also a price that I would send it to auction at.
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There's also the fact that a lot of people solicit bids in the sales thread just so they can say "I don't want to sell at that price, but if you make your bid on Sedo I'll push to auction." This model would just save time and cut out all the BS

[Steve]

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

I understand the arguments against doing this, but I still don't think there is anything wrong with it. Sedo's system is so cluttered with garbage that it is hard to get your domain noticed, even if it is good. I'm sure some of the mods have seen sales threads in which the seller sets a $x,xxx BIN and says a high $xxx offer will send it to auction. Was there anything wrong with it then?

Of course there's nothing wrong with that, but when you go up to someone you know and ask them to make that high $xxx offer to start the auction, then it's wrong (mostly if they have or had no intention of buying).