What do you mean "we"?

barefoottech · 05-12-2008, 07:59 PM

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c0l0rad0
Account Closed

Also , Well Said

**-Nick-** · 05-12-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by c0l0rad0

Nick Burrett has issued a formal statement regarding this complaint. I have attached a copy of it here and you will see it posted to RipOffReports tonight after midnight (they do not update until after midnight each day).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/455069-michael-mann-scammed-me-out-1000-a.html
I contacted Nick. He filed his correction to the original story when he saw what was going on and he had learned way back who the real culprit was.
That's it in a nutshell, and anyone going to ripoffreports after midnight and looking at Nick's original complaint (that started all of this) will see what he has to say abut it.

I am not that Nick

Just clearing it up

kev · 05-13-2008, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by c0l0rad0

Ok, now Jeff is on here to bolster the same crap that started this some 8 months ago.

Whatever. I don't need to prove anything. I tried to show what work I did and why I did what I did, but I will not let Jeff come on here and ruin this board for other pople.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

Peace out, folks.

You really are disgraceful.

I can take some form of comfort knowing that you served 10 years in jail. But, Im contacting your local papers to unveil you as the dirty, low life scammer that you truely are. And if the Police want to take it further, so be it. Ill have a word with Jeff to try and see if we can get all those who were scammed to bring charges against you. With your past criminal record, I think the authorities will make the correct decision.

Ive sent emails to GetaFreelancer.com, Getacoder, RentaCoder and DP where you frequent to get you banned.

shaelheart · 05-13-2008, 09:34 AM

I can't access webmediaprojects site. When was it removed?

SearchGuru1 · 05-13-2008, 11:41 AM

I see it just fine... sadly.

shreder · 05-13-2008, 06:12 PM

I really hope you get that scammer.
If anyone has any information on how to work with such things, like lawyers, laws or anything that can help people like Ken, please post it here for future use as well.

Good luck mate!

DomainMagnate · 05-13-2008, 06:19 PM

guys, just remember, a few google searches usually help avoid 99% of all scam attempts.
But besides that finding a good affordable designer/developer is not that easy too :\

**-Nick-** · 05-13-2008, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by shreder

I really hope you get that scammer.
If anyone has any information on how to work with such things, like lawyers, laws or anything that can help people like Ken, please post it here for future use as well.

Good luck mate!

If you are 100% sure and 100% right then stand firm on your ground.

Get a lawyer. In fact any lawyer. He just needs a black coat and a degree. No need for costly ones.

File a case go with lawyer and police to the culprits office and kick the door. Demand your money back.

Rest the police can do. If the culprit wants to stretch the matter longer then get another 3 lawyers. Yes this time get some good ones.

Be prepared for any consequences and put aside a nice budget for this new law project

But teach them a lesson.

Don't know how it works in US though. But I had been through this long time ago.

I worked my a$$ off for a client and he didn't paid me. After calling him many times he did paid me and paid me just $25 dollars less. I spent a lot of money on travels and went there in his city which was 1500 Kms away and as soon as I met him he transferred that remaining $25 USD in my account. It was not about $25 USD but it was about my $25 USD.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

When scammers are caught they tend to be aggressive and try to soften you up. I am not telling to take laws in your hands but then don't let it go. Don't soften up and think with a cool mind. Just keep hitting the nail till its home. Take help of the law officers. They are right there for us. If you don't take action they can't know that this things are happening. A dedicated effort will surely teach them a lesson.

phpl33t · 05-16-2008, 07:18 PM

It would not post my reply with links. One more try:

mike blackmailing me:
http://php.phpl33t.com/mike-mann-bla...ms-jeff-paris/

A very short summary of my 3 years with Michael David Mann:
http://php.phpl33t.com/michael-david...projects-scam/

I wish I could go back in time and tell myself to ignore him when he offered to hire me on at RMG. Anyone got Dr. Who's phone number? lol

Originally Posted by c0l0rad0

Right. I'm sure you think you're somebody, but treat me like Kevin did and you would be treated the same as I treated him.

In Viet Nam we dealt with people like you all the time. Big, bad asses.

Come at me like Kevin did and I assure you - I would have talked to you exactly the same.

Yeah and telling from his dishonorable discharge, I am sure he was one of those psychotic freaks that had human ear necklaces and raped villagers while torching their huts.

Mike got me banned from Digital Point and I had over $40,000 worth of business there. Mostly from PMs, but my iTrader was growing. This sucks.

btw, no good suing him. He rents a single wide trailer in Kiln, ms. He pay employees out of his paypal, if he pays them, and he spends deposits as soon as he gets them. He does not know how to save or invest.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

He does have a lot of stolen technology in his trailer though and a big coin collection. He drives a white kia suv, no not much luck there. though the marijuana in is house might be of interest but I doubt suing him will grant your the mary jane.

If you sue him, get my Star Trek collection back for me

Cost me $3500 over 7 years to accumulate.

A little add-on, his wife is an illegal immigrant and is his step son who runs his new Texas shop. He did 10 years for back fraud, tried that thing they did on OFFICE SPACE... and got caught. Right now he is blackmailing a very old man who is not in the best health, named Jim. Evil man, this Mike.

How do I know? I WAS his best friend and was very close to his family.

Want to ban Mike from your server?

Code:

# Ban Mike Mann
/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 208.53.147.44 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 68.189.222.124 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 75.141.191.218 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 216.246.74.34 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 208.109.106.237 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 64.202.189.173 -j DROP

ramakazi · 05-20-2008, 12:24 AM

Take that fag to court, use the response as evidence, get screen shots as proof that you paid him and make sure you've gotten every conversation, payment, etc with him as that's your best evidence.

Your lucky your in the same country as him as you can contact and find out about him easier than overseas.

Good luck!

SearchGuru1 · 05-20-2008, 12:37 AM

wow thank god for screen shots

GreenFire · 05-20-2008, 08:40 AM

Darn, that sucks. I would hate to get scammed like u did

PatrickH · 05-23-2008, 07:32 PM

Kev,

Mike was telling the truth when he said that the multiplayer checkers, dominoes and pool are awesome games. They are very slick and work flawlessly.

I should know - I wrote them.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

I was contracted by Mike Mann to design and write these three games as part of a four game project called Casino a lo Latino. The fourth game was poker, which was supposedly being developed by someone else. I never heard a word about your project. Seems he was planning on selling the software twice and only paying me once. Except, he never planned to pay me at all.

Two months ago I completed the games. This included the Flash client programs, the backend server scripts to coordinate play and update the bank, and all related database functionality. There was to be a beta demo for Casino and I was to be paid half of my total fee. The final half was to be payed when the site was installed live.

Trouble was (so I was told) nobody ever did anything with the poker game and the client refused to pay without seeing it. So I was supposed to design and wriite a no-download multiplayer poker system before I'd get paid a dime. Mike asked what it would take to keep me afloat long enough to do the poker. I told him what I needed to cover my rent and bills and he promised to pay me the next day.

That was two months ago.

I've received a steady stream of lies, broken promises and hard luck stories. But no money. I finally called Mike on this BS. He got very abusive and threatening. He told me he didn't owe me anything. I filed a Rip Off report. He threatened some more. Claimed he called the FBI on me (at 3am) for tampering with his server. See me shake in my shoes.

Anyway Kev, the multiplayer checkers, dominoes and pool games DO exist, and they are killer. If you are still interested in them, talk to me.

Idees · 05-23-2008, 07:39 PM

Thanks for your time Patrick, hopefully you and Kev could work something out.

Originally Posted by PatrickH

Anyway Kev, the multiplayer checkers, dominoes and pool games DO exist, and they are killer. If you are still interested in them, talk to me.

PatrickH · 05-23-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by c0l0rad0

We worked on this project a lot of long man-hours and I paid the developers who worked on it. Even though we have now used those games in another project it doesn't negate the cost to our company to have these games built (along with the template, admin panel, etc.).
...
We did the work. We complied with the terms of the development agreement, and we owe no refund. Period.

You can call it a scam all day long, but that doesn't make you right. You defaulted on your payment to us - we did the work - and frankly, we are the ones scammed.

*I* worked on this project a lot of long man-hours. Every piece of that system which works does so because I made it work. I was the only developer on this project and I was not paid one cent for it. Any money that was paid to Mike for this project stayed in his pocket until he pissed it away.This was not just a scam, it was a double scam.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

Mike Mann is a liar, thief and con man.

**gemstar** · 05-23-2008, 11:56 PM

Sorry to hear the problem you had.

evertonian7uk · 05-24-2008, 05:04 AM

Sicne you both got scammed, surely you could both work out a deal were one of you gets paid, and the others gets his games right?

right now you've both got 100% of nothing, work a deal out, 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing wouldnt you agree?

PatrickH · 05-24-2008, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by evertonian7uk

Sicne you both got scammed, surely you could both work out a deal were one of you gets paid, and the others gets his games right?

right now you've both got 100% of nothing, work a deal out, 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing wouldnt you agree?

I totally agree. I can't speak for Kevin, but if he's willing that is exactly what we will do.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069

There are three reasons I posted here:
(1) to try and recover something for my work
(2) to help other scam victims get something for their money
(3) to help prevent others from getting scammed by Mike

Right now the ball is in Kevin's court. I expect he will have something to say about all this whenever he logs in here.

kev · 05-24-2008, 10:37 AM

Sorry to hear about your story Patrick

Id be very interested to see what you have developed. If you can PM me a link to your work, we can probably reach some sort of deal

thanks

DomainSeer · 05-24-2008, 02:25 PM

Never ever pay any money upfront. If they are a good solid company, the will do the work on a development server and have you sign an agreement. Secondly, use escrow.com to pay the money. Paying a few bucks for the escrow.com service saves you actions like the one you have gone through.

Carlton · 05-24-2008, 03:32 PM

This has been an enlightening read. It's time for legal authorities to become involved. Found this on Wikipedia in reference to psychopathy/sociopathic traits ...

Factor1: Aggressive narcissism

Glibness / superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning / manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow
Callous / lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Promiscuous sexual behavior

johntxy · 05-25-2008, 07:07 AM

sounds good. hopefully we have a 'happily ever after story'

down with scammers, long live Namepros!

how come the web[media]project website is still online? thats not good.

dezinerite · 05-25-2008, 07:14 PM

What about the FBI, haven't they done something about this yet?

crazyryan · 05-31-2008, 05:42 AM

I just read through the whole post and all I can say is wow... that is messed up.

phpl33t · 06-01-2008, 09:49 PM

PatrickH, "Casino a lo Latino"? I remember that one, I had my ex-wife design the logo and then I adapted it to your liking. At least Mike said you liked it. She only got 1/5th the pay she was promised from him.

Btw, Mike has not been anywhere online for about 3 weeks. I think that either the law got him, he is running again, or his ass is dead.

Regarding the FBI, I already did, I called Homeland Security too since his wife/secretary is illegal.

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ramakazi Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 358	Take that fag to court, use the response as evidence, get screen shots as proof that you paid him and make sure you've gotten every conversation, payment, etc with him as that's your best evidence. Your lucky your in the same country as him as you can contact and find out about him easier than overseas. Good luck!

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GreenFire New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3	Darn, that sucks. I would hate to get scammed like u did

05-23-2008, 07:32 PM	#88 (permalink)
PatrickH New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 7	Kev, Mike was telling the truth when he said that the multiplayer checkers, dominoes and pool are awesome games. They are very slick and work flawlessly. I should know - I wrote them. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=455069 I was contracted by Mike Mann to design and write these three games as part of a four game project called Casino a lo Latino. The fourth game was poker, which was supposedly being developed by someone else. I never heard a word about your project. Seems he was planning on selling the software twice and only paying me once. Except, he never planned to pay me at all. Two months ago I completed the games. This included the Flash client programs, the backend server scripts to coordinate play and update the bank, and all related database functionality. There was to be a beta demo for Casino and I was to be paid half of my total fee. The final half was to be payed when the site was installed live. Trouble was (so I was told) nobody ever did anything with the poker game and the client refused to pay without seeing it. So I was supposed to design and wriite a no-download multiplayer poker system before I'd get paid a dime. Mike asked what it would take to keep me afloat long enough to do the poker. I told him what I needed to cover my rent and bills and he promised to pay me the next day. That was two months ago. I've received a steady stream of lies, broken promises and hard luck stories. But no money. I finally called Mike on this BS. He got very abusive and threatening. He told me he didn't owe me anything. I filed a Rip Off report. He threatened some more. Claimed he called the FBI on me (at 3am) for tampering with his server. See me shake in my shoes. Anyway Kev, the multiplayer checkers, dominoes and pool games DO exist, and they are killer. If you are still interested in them, talk to me.

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phpl33t Account Closed Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 16	PatrickH, "Casino a lo Latino"? I remember that one, I had my ex-wife design the logo and then I adapted it to your liking. At least Mike said you liked it. She only got 1/5th the pay she was promised from him. Btw, Mike has not been anywhere online for about 3 weeks. I think that either the law got him, he is running again, or his ass is dead. Regarding the FBI, I already did, I called Homeland Security too since his wife/secretary is illegal.

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