There is no place on the Internet (to my knowledge) that offers the same active discussion related to the dot tv extension. In other words, NamePros hosts the most active discussions related to the extension.
However, I am a member of more than one other domain/website discussion community. I am intrigued when I see a member on one of those other sites who is involved or interested in dot tv. If I don't recognize their screen name or their names, I generally will send them a PM, telling them about the subforum here.
90% of the time, they are aware of the dot tv subforum on NamePros but choose not to follow or participate in it because they don't feel the dot tv subforum offers them enough value or the discussion here is immature or a waste of their time.
I understand those PMs were in reference to but it shows that some members feel that there should be a certain level of responsibility demonstrated by our members when posting. We should be focused on helping each other, discussing different strategies, and sharing ideas. This subforum, in my opinion, seems to have veered off that path, which is why I have chosen not to visit or participate as much in recent months.
Quite honestly, who care what other people say on the other forums? If wanted the naysayers etc input dont you think we would be there? Not sure why this is relevent. I have been on many forums.. alot worse experience then I can mention here. This forum is amongst the best. IMO. I dont care what others say in other places. The same as they shouldnt care what goes on here.
Well since this thread has gotten heated two members have stated in pms that they believe you posted what you did just to start with James, and no neither was from James. So everyone has opinions but I will take you at your word nothing personal.
What people do not want is posting that seem to be personal in nature I get them all the time I think Rogor expressed it publicly in the sticky thread.
There are many here who do not feel great about Demand Media and they have the right to express that.
Excellent point Virtuali you do not post much but it is always on target IMO
I was just stating its up to individuals to promote their own investments,
I never intended to or wanted to get caught up in anything other than that discussion.
Our focus is being lost(collectively speaking), dunno how, but I suspect that
we are being too defensive/aggressive and not directing our energies on marketing.
In essence, to hell with negative persuasions. They may be important to view as a conflicting opinion, but do not require the over-extensive amount of attention we give it. Give as much time or even double the time in marketing our product and you will experience a profound and immediate difference in our success(again collective).
This has to be a learning and teaching forum or we waste our time here.
Re-read allthings.tv post and enlighten yourselves, thank you.
I myself have been negative towards Demand. I take responsibility for that and stand firmly behind this statement: The extension would do MUCH better under the control of godaddy.
Aside from that, those that have been watching may have noticed that I have not posted as of late. Here is why: The constant infighting, the constant bickering, the constant picking of every little statement is irritating at best. And just to be fair, it seems to be spread a bit equally amongst all "regulars" around here, and not just those participating in this thread.
My insight is that there seems to be more and more threads popping in the "for sale" section every day. And what is the average response? Nada.
You want to know why? Because there is NOT one single company pushing the extension. If there was a single company pushing it and putting money into advertising it, that would be different, and we would all be seeing more traffic and more sales regardless of what others think. But that is simple advertising 101.
You want to know what else is the problem? Not enough big sites pushing the extension. The biggest one, advertised everyday on a show with 8 Million listeners. Howard.tv is spoken of everyday. However, it is called Howard TV. You, as well as most people would go to howardtv.com, which redirects to howard.tv.
But does the average viewer see that? No, they just know they typed in howardtv.com.
So where does that leave us? We are a forum on a forum about domains. We happen to like .tv. We are NOT a national brand. We are NOT a well known extension. Until we become as well known as .net, .org, .info.......we will simply not realize the sales of generics that the other extensions get.
We ALL own generics that should, in OUR opinion be getting offers in the xx,xxx range. Are we getting those offers? No? Do you wonder why?
So now here we are full circle. I hope I didn't ramble too much, but you all are turning on each other when we could be focusing on how to tell others and get the word out about tv.
Stop relying on Demand, they are about as useful as a hangnail.
You make some good points Bulldog, you have to look at the many different reasons people are here.
I have gotten pms over the last two years saying please shut up about development equity I am here for one reason to sell domains. I do not care about tv.com vs .tv or development or TNT.tv I care about sales nothing else.
Then there are people here who have money, and a business plan who discuss business models, platforms and other areas who are not looking to flip a domain and have no interest in doing that.
There are people who love premium pricing and those who hate it, those who love Demand Media and those that dislike them (like yourself). So it is hard sometimes to have everyone on the same page when they are all not moving toward the same goal.
Then there are people here who plain do not like one another, some display it blatantly others passive - aggressive
I agree why would anyone wait or look to Demand Media, its up to you IMO.
i am hoping the more sales we see on sites such as sedo add the reputation of .tv
surely some are aware as investment ....... it's long term thing , as developement its asap , i feel baby steps is the correct term , there is a whole new generation growing up with the internet and they will be a tv/internet generation i suspect , but hey we have been through all this before, if it's not sales , then start to develope i guess
I'm disappointed in AllThings defensive comments about DM. I find it hard to believe that he justifies their lack of direction over the past eight months.
From where I sit, DM has done little for dot TV; in fact, they've made it very difficult for this extension to get to the next level because of the things they have, and haven't, done:
1. At the time of the premium names launch there was not one mention on Enom.com or Bulk Register about the premium names launch. And that was the case for God knows how many weeks after the launch. I pointed this out in a post on this forum. In the scale of things, this may seem like a small matter but to me it signalled a lack of endeavour, purpose, knowhow and commitment in promoting dot TV. If they didn't go to the trouble of promoting the launch on their premier websites, then you can only wonder what the sum total of their "endeavours" elsewhere were.
2. DM's efforts in promoting dot TV via ChannelMe.tv have been lacklustre and highlighted by the fact that for weeks they had a .TV site promoted on their INDEX page highlighted as an example of one of the great new dot TV channels. You know where you went when you clicked on that TV channel's link? You guessed it - to a dot com website. And that link stayed on ChannelMe's front page for Christ only knows how long. I posted a reference to that link in this forum and weeks later the link was still on the ChannelMe index page. That shows how much they take the trouble to read the comments in this forum.
3. The advent of all those chunky looking Channel Me sites that rely on embedded YouTube video clips are a bloody embarrassment. People see a few of those "channels" and turn right off dot TV. I've had friends who've commented on how cluttered and how bad they look, and how they all look the same. When you consider how many thousands of these things there are - and they all look much of a muchness - then that is not a good promo for a major new extension. And where has been the evolvement of ChannelMe's video-channel-creation tools? I seem to recall it being said that more sophisticated, second-generation tools would be released soon after the release of the first tools.
4. And let's not forget our old mate, the premium renewals fiasco. This policy has killed any investment in the extension (and hence any accelerated development of domains en masse). This is the reality: no-one is going to invest in .TV names that cost thousands (or hundreds) of dollars to renew each year when they can buy decent generic dot com names for less than $2000 that cost $7 a year to renew. A $10,000 premium will have cost it's owner $60,000 after five years, and I seriously doubt that many (if any) undeveloped $10k .TV premiums are going to sell for that amount in five years from now. And I don't think there's any merit to the argument that .TV names are for developers - investment and development are intrinsically linked when it comes to domain names.
This is all very, very disappointing. It makes you weep in your Weeties.
I agree it's time for Demand Media to answer some questions about .tv, and ChannelMe.tv! Of course, I have vented,and complained about their "big promises" about making money by placing ads on your Channelme.tv sites. I have heard every excuse possible from them, as to why my sites aren't making any money.
It's almost one year later for most people, and I have yet to hear even 1 peson say "hey, I made some money on ChannelMe.tv!".
If you look at ChannelMe.tv site, #5 at the bottom ( in a pretty prominant blue box) says "Make Some Money", check here :
What a bunch of bull. To make it worse, it "seems" as if ChannelMe.tv mainipulates the earning any time they go up. Here is my example again, almost 1 year later.
Abstracts.tv earnings:
Jan 08 29 cents
Feb 08 70 cents
March 08 $3.94 cents
Apr 08 .78 cents
Doesn't it seem strange to you after making a huge $3.94 , now it is 78 cents, and will probably wind up at about $1.25 for the month, maybe?
I really don't care, I gave up on DemandMedia/ChannelMe.tv's big promises about advertising. I have posted on the ChannelMe.tv blog, and heard all the excuses. The only reason I am posting now is because started this thread.
Let me ask you this though, how much do you think DemandMedia is making off all the advertising? I bet it is a little more than $3.94 a month. They are like the gas companies, making thousands, or millions, and can't pay us even $x-xx per month.
For the supporters, I know, I didn't have to buy the sites, or can leave. I didn't buy them just for the advertising. I bought Smartiecandy.tv for my wife, and Abstracts.tv, and Tex-Mex.tv just because I like music. Just like gas, I'll keep using them, since I like my sites. I don't have to like DemandMedia, though. Dirty, ^*^^*(_( thieving, lousy Bas#stards!!!
I hope I stand vindicated now. Rodash has given PRECISE examples, as you have requested ALLTHINGS, of why DM does not give a flying fishing rod about .TV.
So has Abstracts and quite a few more members now on this thread.
To suggest that we tape our mouths shut whilst paying homage to DM , because its unprofessional to criticise them..............man, that shit just doesnt add up....
I for one will continue to sing when I want to......whether or not that is professional in your opinion should be exactly where it stays - in your opinion....
The fantastic news is that people around the world are developing great .TV sites and arenot hanging around for DM to monetise their content or issue their next genration tools, no - they are forging ahead with their own vision of what they want and expect from their .TV sites.
And guess where you can find a compilation of all these non Channel Me sites - why right here in a thread entitled .TV sightings sponsored by ALLTHINGS.TV!!.............
Last edited by MillersCrossing : 04-08-2008 at 09:25 AM.
In my opinion I was expecting more from Demand Media. There was some initial hype from them and they participated in this forum for about 3 weeks. With the type of budget they have, they should be promoting the extension, even just a little bit. The fact that they don't shows me that they have put the .tv extension on the back burner and concentrating on other endeavors.
It doesn't change my passion or belief in the extension. .TV will succeed, just may take a bit longer then we were hoping when DM came along.
This isn't about protecting Demand Media nor is this related to any alleged feud between James and myself.
This isn't about shutting down any criticism directed toward Demand Media.
This was about the image of this subforum to the outside world. This was about the responsibility of our members to post responsibly. This was about the manner in which those criticisms were made.
If we want to be critical, then we should do so in a manner that is not reckless.
Did you ever ask yourself why Demand Media no longer has a representative on this subforum? Now, I know some of us have not been on the forum long enough to know that Demand Media used to have a rep here, but those that have been here when Quinn was involved know that we had a direct internal connection with Demand Media to discuss these issues and now we don't.
I don't look at my participation on this forum as a popularity contest. Having been a previous active member of this subforum, I am doing my best to shed some light on those things we can do to improve the NamePros dot tv subforum.
After reading this entire thread i have to say that it is rediculious that members here have criticized your initial comments in this way. I think it is in poor taste to take somebodies well thought out thread and polute it with comments such as "this thread should be deleted". This is a valid topic of discussion that interests many of us here on this forum. If you dont like it, move on to the next thread and dont ruin somebody elses thread with that junk. It is absolutely UNPROFESSIONAL to criticize a fellow members here in this way and it offends both the initial poster and the readers who simply want to have a discussion on topic. Criticizing a thread in this way should be a banned practice. I find it very annoying to have to read all the accusations and have to sift through it to get to some of the great points made by the members here.
On Demand:
does anybody remember the promised auctions for premiums just before they were re-released? DM had us waiting for auctions that never took place (as far as I know) only to change their plan and leave us in the dark. I really hope they get their act together becuase im beginning to lose interest in .TV
There really isnt any "feud" between me and Kevin.........sometimes we both say things that wind each other up...but 99% of the time, should Kevin ever need any help from me for anything, iwould lend a hand.....
I stiull need to sort out getting you allthings.mobi back!!
You guys have to stop questioning, worrying, blah.. blah.. blah..about DM... they are a company that is about making a buck.. and thats the reality. As of right now the company is making money via .TV and securing VC capital for any venture they choose. I would suggest we all focus on the same aspects for our endeavours and stop hoping for the DM train to take us were we want to be. Just a suggestion.
All the best to you guys. I know some of you are working hard on your development etc.
IMO dot tv is better off with DM then without it. As many have pointed out DM is no savior. AS EQ has said numerous times, DM does not control the extension Verisign does. I know firsthand that DM has tried to do things that would benefit .TV but there hands were tied becasue of Verisign. They have butted heads with Verisign numerous times trying to cut deals on premium names to spur development.
As far as lack of promotion Verisign is to blame far more than DM. DM does not own the TLD, they are not going to invest millions to promote it. That was never the plan. They were brought in becasue Richard pitched the channelme.tv concept (social networking) and to promote premium domains. This is one small part of DM's total business. DM would do much more if it actually owned and controlled .TV but it does not.
.TV will always have a much more narrow scope of success then .com will. I have seen numerous people, some of the biggest DM complainers on the board by the way, make bad reg after bad reg on this forum, then post these names for sale, and wonder why nobody is interested.
Many on this forum has and will lose money with .TV becasue past the prime generics and certain types of keywords (both premiums and non premiums), these names will hold little if any value unless developed. This will not be DM's or Verisigns fault. Regging trademarked TV show names and poor quality names is the fault of nobody other then the person who got swept up in hype and made poor business decisions.
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