Restrictive, yes

MaguirePhD · 06-20-2008, 12:06 AM

They seem to drag their feet and don't get right back to you. But somehow, they got two of these clunkers in the auction.

I don't get it.

Doc

Meongtae · 06-20-2008, 01:43 AM

but....and maybe i missed it....contracts are built to serve a purpose. maybe we can have a thread along the lines of .."People that have been taken advantage of by contracts" or something like that. i have signed that moniker contract before, and i have gotten what i expected from my domains, and not gotten burned...not yet anyway...
but thanks for starting a topic mate..
meongtae

Guillam · 06-26-2008, 10:54 AM

I confess to not having read through all 8 pages of comments in this thread, but does anyone know of an actual instance in which Moniker has gone after a domainer who listed a domain with them (say, for an auction), and later, when the domain failed to sell at the auction, sold it on another forum? I would be interested in hearing of any such cases.

I agree that the contract language is harsh, and I agree it should be changed to favor the buyer more (especially the opt-out terms). But what I'm asking is whether anyone knows of a case where Moniker actually went after a domainer based on this contract for a sale that took place entirely outside of the Moniker system after a domain failed to sell at auction and was not listed for sale on the Moniker site. (Obviously they could, but HAVE they?)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/449617-moniker-auction-terms-outrageous.html

The legal fees clause (prevailing party pays legal fees for both sides) is actually a bonus in my book, because it provides a disincentive for frivolous suits that are just designed to extort money from a party through legal harassment.

MaguirePhD · 06-26-2008, 11:03 AM

The contact is restrictive, yes.

Sometimes responses are a little slow.

But I have a good guy down there, Peter Brooks, whom I have spoken with and e-mailed and received responses.

And not some silly response to just put you off.

I can't speak for the rest of them down there but this guy is making them look good.

Doc

mcahn · 06-26-2008, 06:55 PM

yes we have enforced our agreement on both sides before. our terms are standard and you should all read Christies and Sotheby's agreements if you want to see a doozy. Folks, remember we are market makers and inventing the domain auction industry with each auction. You will see great products, services, and integration between snapnames and moniker very soon. There will always be changes both to process and terms.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617

If you are not interested in participating based on the terms of service, then do not as we are not forcing anyone to participate. I think we have already proven our position and place in the industry and have ALWAYS been fair on all sides.

If you have specific legal or agreement questions, just email legal@moniker.com.

Thanks,

trevor · 06-26-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by mcahn

... you should all read Christies and Sotheby's agreements if you want to see a doozy.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617
This Christies/Sotheby's line seems to be your standard refrain. It's a little embarrassing. You should drop it.

It's like a guy saying to his wife, "You think I beat you?" You're lucky you're not married to Bob. He beats his wife with a closed fist."

Just a little advice.

mcahn · 06-26-2008, 08:13 PM

embarrassing? not at all - it's an example of similarity of markets and terms in which you are complaining about.

That's quite an example you just gave though....thanks for the advice

TestCase · 06-27-2008, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by mcahn

...Folks, remember we are market makers and inventing the domain auction industry with each auction...

I guess the good news with this is that as the domain auction market matures and other groups discover what a lucrative field it is, we'll see an increase in competition which should result in better terms (at least to a degree) for the domain owner - assuming no collusion between the the primary players (an issue with Christies & Sotheby's a few years back).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617

Trevor, interesting analogy there... A little twisted, but pretty spot on in my opinion.

My grandfather used to say, "Just because you have the capability of doing something doesn't make it right to do so or mean you should."

***Makis.TV*** · 06-27-2008, 08:34 AM

Monte,
i dont think we can compare Christies and Sotheby's worldwide recognizition with any of domain auctions including Moniker's.
If you ask 100 people here in Greece if they know Christies auctions u ll get 5-10 "yes" answers, if u ask the same think about domain auctions like Moniker then believe me u get 0 "yes", you cant beat that so u cant compare in any way those kind of auctions.(in more advanced countries like USA or Germany u ll get a bigger difference of those "yes")

mr-x · 06-27-2008, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by on!SPOT

Monte,
i dont think we can compare Christies and Sotheby's worldwide recognizition with any of domain auctions including Moniker's...

There are a lot of options for sellling a domain now but few of them bring as many important buyers together in one place.

***Makis.TV*** · 06-27-2008, 09:28 AM

true, i m not saying that though
Christie's offer a greater cahnce to sell, you cant compare this

mr-x · 06-27-2008, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by on!SPOT

true, i m not saying that though
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617
Christie's offer a greater cahnce to sell, you cant compare this

I think your comparing apples to oranges. On other hand, when that contract was written Moniker was the market leader. I don't think that's true anymore.

With companies like Sedo and Bido sponsoring auctions, I wonder Moniker would rank in money earned and domains sold.

***Makis.TV*** · 06-27-2008, 11:49 AM

tres i m not the one comparing, Monte did
plz save both free time and read some posts before

i think we r saying the same damn thing...

MaguirePhD · 06-27-2008, 03:07 PM

Just a short note for this thread.

We only have to look at the sales to see that the Paris auction did not bode well for Moniker (or me either, as I had two with high opening bids that got no action) but it could be a result of a really bad economy (the U.S. stock market dropped nearly 420 in the last regular day and the extension day of the auction). Or it could be that Moniker and SnapNames are integrating and finding their way through a little experimentation that needs to be tweaked.

Who really knows?

Now, this fellow Monte who runs the show, I don't know him, have never met him and am sure, I never will. But he had the guts to show up in this forum and respond and for that alone, he deserves a play.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617

So, maybe we shouldn't be putting the boots to this guy...just yet.

Doc

flamewalker · 06-30-2008, 01:03 PM

Change doesn't happen without "putting the boots" to them, as you say. Right now the terms are just about, if not completely one-sided, enough so that now that this has been brought to light, I suspect their auctions may suffer more than the Paris auction. Without a doubt, now that people are looking, many, not all of coarse, will look elsewhere to a better playing field. Without pressure that will not change.

It would be interesting to know if or how far the christies and sothesbys terms have been legally tested... I'm sure there has been some testing, just how much though?

The art of domain auctions is still relatively new (in the public auction style)... and as others have pointed out, there will be competition that will require the current "top dawg" to look at its terms again because the competitors will eventually start taking business by offering more fair terms. Or one would hope at least.

MaguirePhD · 06-30-2008, 07:51 PM

I agree it is a one-sided contract but I think we all want as much advantage as we can in any business deal.

I see them as necessary because I don't have the time to be hawking domains or listing them on Sedo or other places. If nothing else, they listed two of my mine for a big number at the Paris deal.

Didn't get bought but that is life. As least they had me in play with more exposure than i would have gotten with me at the helm.

Sure, there are other places and maybe a little competition will force some changes in this, as you stated, new industry of domain auctions.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617

I wish everyone the best of success at selling their domains but I will hang in with Moniker because I just don't see anyone out there as proactive as them.

Doc

pixelpadre · 07-01-2008, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by MaguirePhD

The contact is restrictive, yes.

Sometimes responses are a little slow.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617
But I have a good guy down there, Peter Brooks, whom I have spoken with and e-mailed and received responses.

And not some silly response to just put you off.

I can't speak for the rest of them down there but this guy is making them look good.

Doc

Right...........there must be 2 of him then. Because the one I dealt with told me those were the terms take it or leave it.

Originally Posted by mcahn

yes we have enforced our agreement on both sides before. our terms are standard and you should all read Christies and Sotheby's agreements if you want to see a doozy. Folks, remember we are market makers and inventing the domain auction industry with each auction. You will see great products, services, and integration between snapnames and moniker very soon. There will always be changes both to process and terms.

If you are not interested in participating based on the terms of service, then do not as we are not forcing anyone to participate. I think we have already proven our position and place in the industry and have ALWAYS been fair on all sides.

If you have specific legal or agreement questions, just email legal@moniker.com.

Thanks,

You keep coming back to tell all the people here that agree that your terms are outrageous that we don't have to participate. Are you hard headed in all aspects of your life Monte? I mean even a dog will stop biting his owner if the owner stops feeding him.

Originally Posted by trevor

This Christies/Sotheby's line seems to be your standard refrain. It's a little embarrassing. You should drop it.

It's like a guy saying to his wife, "You think I beat you?" You're lucky you're not married to Bob. He beats his wife with a closed fist."

Just a little advice.

Thank you for saving me the effort to remind Monte. Earlier posts showed that his assertions are false.

He is assuming that new readers won't go back and read all the posts. Further proof of his lack of ethics.

Originally Posted by MaguirePhD

Just a short note for this thread.

We only have to look at the sales to see that the Paris auction did not bode well for Moniker (or me either, as I had two with high opening bids that got no action) but it could be a result of a really bad economy (the U.S. stock market dropped nearly 420 in the last regular day and the extension day of the auction). Or it could be that Moniker and SnapNames are integrating and finding their way through a little experimentation that needs to be tweaked.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617

Who really knows?

Now, this fellow Monte who runs the show, I don't know him, have never met him and am sure, I never will. But he had the guts to show up in this forum and respond and for that alone, he deserves a play.

So, maybe we shouldn't be putting the boots to this guy...just yet.

Doc

Right, I would give him as much credit as the Blossoming Tulip garden owner who sees a manure spreader coming right at his beautiful garden.

Easydoms · 07-05-2008, 04:34 AM

Would have to agree with comments with regards to the general market and so called credit crunch, the results from Paris were below par, and again if the end user is there they will pay what they want to pay, but i have to agree that a contract is there for a reason, to protect. Yes some of the terms are really strict, has really put me off sending some to auction with them.

As for someone selling elsewhere is a name fails to sell at auction, only time will tell on that one, some of the names at PARIS only sold for $300-$100, would moniker really chase someone if they only thought their name was worth a figure close to the above?

I would be interested to know if anyone can help what the % is of names entered to names sold and if they is a pattern, ie more sold in PARIS compared to FLORIDA-VEGAS-NEW YORK auctions.

MegaCheaperDomains · 07-08-2008, 07:04 PM

But I know what you mean, thing is, you must sign it or name won't go in auction(s)

Pseudo Mod · 07-10-2008, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Charley

This is the problem. I never read them, just agree, sign and send the names.

+1

EVERY place of business we use online or off is has a term and conditions. By our use of the services, we are not contesting those terms and conditions and are, in fact, in automatic aggreement with them. It finally hit me with this post that when I see people losing money with chargebacks, theft or scam and no one is willing to help, the site/business owner is covered by the contact/terms and conditions. Of course there are exceptions, but it seriously just hit me.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617

It's just like site security. It's not that we don't care, it's just that we are uneducated and ignorant, until we experience it.

Amazing observation! I was going to add a few names to SES San Jose. As lowball as Sedo is, I'll stick to them. Thanks!

advaita · 07-10-2008, 09:18 AM

What I would like to know is this - if I submit a name that is not accepted it seems to me from the contract terms that just by submitting the name I give Moniker exclusive rights to get a percentage if I sell it elsewhere, even though they rejected it. Is that the case or have I misread the clause ?
I don't believe any auction house in the 'real world' gets rights to a percentage of any object you submit and which they refuse to auction.

flamewalker · 07-10-2008, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by advaita

What I would like to know is this - if I submit a name that is not accepted it seems to me from the contract terms that just by submitting the name I give Moniker exclusive rights to get a percentage if I sell it elsewhere, even though they rejected it. Is that the case or have I misread the clause ?
I don't believe any auction house in the 'real world' gets rights to a percentage of any object you submit and which they refuse to auction.

That's what it looks like to me... Although I highly doubt that would hold up in court.

advaita · 07-10-2008, 09:26 AM

Glad to see you agree FW and that I am not alone in my interpretation - it sounds absolutely outrageous - but I won't be submitting any names and taking the risk - I've got better things to do than to fight court cases

***mis_chiff*** · 07-10-2008, 09:39 AM

Does someone have a copy of the updated terms?

I always thought if your names were not accepted
to the Live/Silent auction, you could request removal
of the submissions in writing...did that change?

Pseudo Mod · 07-10-2008, 01:05 PM

I've had this post on my mind all day and this is what I've been thinking: How in the hell is the contract binding when they never physically gain possession of my signature or domain?

I'll ask my lawyer, but wouldn't a consignment require a signature? Take Paypal for instance. Paypal knows that my bank has my signature agreeing to mastercard terms. Paypay> Mastercard > Bank. So when I bid or sell on eBay I am bound to those terms.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617

Moniker just has my word, so I'm thinking this "contract" is just a scare tactic. How are the agreements filed and if they did take legal action, how can they justify the unreasonable agreement terms?

Most of the domains at Moniker are grossly over-priced, even during an economical nosedive, and they will lose loyal, high profile domain buyers if owners change their mind at the last minute for whatever reason.

This contract speaks to me in circles and I can't take it seriously.

06-20-2008, 12:06 AM	#176 (permalink)
MaguirePhD Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	They seem to drag their feet and don't get right back to you. But somehow, they got two of these clunkers in the auction. I don't get it. Doc Last edited by MaguirePhD; 06-26-2008 at 07:30 PM.

06-26-2008, 11:03 AM	#179 (permalink)
MaguirePhD Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	Restrictive, yes The contact is restrictive, yes. Sometimes responses are a little slow. But I have a good guy down there, Peter Brooks, whom I have spoken with and e-mailed and received responses. And not some silly response to just put you off. I can't speak for the rest of them down there but this guy is making them look good. Doc

06-26-2008, 06:55 PM	#180 (permalink)
mcahn NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lauderdale By The Sea, FL Posts: 143 Follow @MonikerManMonte	yes we have enforced our agreement on both sides before. our terms are standard and you should all read Christies and Sotheby's agreements if you want to see a doozy. Folks, remember we are market makers and inventing the domain auction industry with each auction. You will see great products, services, and integration between snapnames and moniker very soon. There will always be changes both to process and terms. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617 If you are not interested in participating based on the terms of service, then do not as we are not forcing anyone to participate. I think we have already proven our position and place in the industry and have ALWAYS been fair on all sides. If you have specific legal or agreement questions, just email legal@moniker.com. Thanks, __________________ Monte Cahn Founder/President - Moniker.com & SnapNames.com Monte@Moniker.com O - 954-984-8445 Last edited by mcahn; 06-26-2008 at 06:56 PM. Reason: mispell

06-26-2008, 08:13 PM	#182 (permalink)
mcahn NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lauderdale By The Sea, FL Posts: 143 Follow @MonikerManMonte	embarrassing? not at all - it's an example of similarity of markets and terms in which you are complaining about. That's quite an example you just gave though....thanks for the advice __________________ Monte Cahn Founder/President - Moniker.com & SnapNames.com Monte@Moniker.com O - 954-984-8445

06-27-2008, 08:34 AM	#184 (permalink)
*Makis.TV* Business Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Glyfada, Greece Posts: 2,823 Follow @makismour	Monte, i dont think we can compare Christies and Sotheby's worldwide recognizition with any of domain auctions including Moniker's. If you ask 100 people here in Greece if they know Christies auctions u ll get 5-10 "yes" answers, if u ask the same think about domain auctions like Moniker then believe me u get 0 "yes", you cant beat that so u cant compare in any way those kind of auctions.(in more advanced countries like USA or Germany u ll get a bigger difference of those "yes") __________________ Check your Speed Test in just a few seconds Domain blogging, hosting tips, wordpress theme reviews and development Kids and Teens Alopecia Online Convert your psd layout 2 joomla template

Restrictive, yes

Moniker

flamewalker

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06-20-2008, 01:43 AM	#177 (permalink)
Meongtae NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 576	but....and maybe i missed it....contracts are built to serve a purpose. maybe we can have a thread along the lines of .."People that have been taken advantage of by contracts" or something like that. i have signed that moniker contract before, and i have gotten what i expected from my domains, and not gotten burned...not yet anyway... but thanks for starting a topic mate.. meongtae

06-26-2008, 10:54 AM	#178 (permalink)
Guillam NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Nevada Posts: 42	I confess to not having read through all 8 pages of comments in this thread, but does anyone know of an actual instance in which Moniker has gone after a domainer who listed a domain with them (say, for an auction), and later, when the domain failed to sell at the auction, sold it on another forum? I would be interested in hearing of any such cases. I agree that the contract language is harsh, and I agree it should be changed to favor the buyer more (especially the opt-out terms). But what I'm asking is whether anyone knows of a case where Moniker actually went after a domainer based on this contract for a sale that took place entirely outside of the Moniker system after a domain failed to sell at auction and was not listed for sale on the Moniker site. (Obviously they could, but HAVE they?) ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/449617-moniker-auction-terms-outrageous.html The legal fees clause (prevailing party pays legal fees for both sides) is actually a bonus in my book, because it provides a disincentive for frivolous suits that are just designed to extort money from a party through legal harassment.

06-27-2008, 09:28 AM	#186 (permalink)
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06-27-2008, 11:49 AM	#188 (permalink)
*Makis.TV* Business Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Glyfada, Greece Posts: 2,823 Follow @makismour	tres i m not the one comparing, Monte did plz save both free time and read some posts before i think we r saying the same damn thing... __________________ Check your Speed Test in just a few seconds Domain blogging, hosting tips, wordpress theme reviews and development Kids and Teens Alopecia Online Convert your psd layout 2 joomla template

06-27-2008, 03:07 PM	#189 (permalink)
MaguirePhD Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	Moniker Just a short note for this thread. We only have to look at the sales to see that the Paris auction did not bode well for Moniker (or me either, as I had two with high opening bids that got no action) but it could be a result of a really bad economy (the U.S. stock market dropped nearly 420 in the last regular day and the extension day of the auction). Or it could be that Moniker and SnapNames are integrating and finding their way through a little experimentation that needs to be tweaked. Who really knows? Now, this fellow Monte who runs the show, I don't know him, have never met him and am sure, I never will. But he had the guts to show up in this forum and respond and for that alone, he deserves a play. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617 So, maybe we shouldn't be putting the boots to this guy...just yet. Doc

06-30-2008, 01:03 PM	#190 (permalink)
flamewalker NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 604	Change doesn't happen without "putting the boots" to them, as you say. Right now the terms are just about, if not completely one-sided, enough so that now that this has been brought to light, I suspect their auctions may suffer more than the Paris auction. Without a doubt, now that people are looking, many, not all of coarse, will look elsewhere to a better playing field. Without pressure that will not change. It would be interesting to know if or how far the christies and sothesbys terms have been legally tested... I'm sure there has been some testing, just how much though? The art of domain auctions is still relatively new (in the public auction style)... and as others have pointed out, there will be competition that will require the current "top dawg" to look at its terms again because the competitors will eventually start taking business by offering more fair terms. Or one would hope at least. __________________ My Domain Portfolio/Domains for sale \| MASS Del.Icio.US Submission Get daily premium drop lists! DropHistory.Com My Blog: www.flamewalker.info

06-30-2008, 07:51 PM	#191 (permalink)
MaguirePhD Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	flamewalker I agree it is a one-sided contract but I think we all want as much advantage as we can in any business deal. I see them as necessary because I don't have the time to be hawking domains or listing them on Sedo or other places. If nothing else, they listed two of my mine for a big number at the Paris deal. Didn't get bought but that is life. As least they had me in play with more exposure than i would have gotten with me at the helm. Sure, there are other places and maybe a little competition will force some changes in this, as you stated, new industry of domain auctions. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617 I wish everyone the best of success at selling their domains but I will hang in with Moniker because I just don't see anyone out there as proactive as them. Doc

07-05-2008, 04:34 AM	#193 (permalink)
Easydoms Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: golfered.com Posts: 1,109	Would have to agree with comments with regards to the general market and so called credit crunch, the results from Paris were below par, and again if the end user is there they will pay what they want to pay, but i have to agree that a contract is there for a reason, to protect. Yes some of the terms are really strict, has really put me off sending some to auction with them. As for someone selling elsewhere is a name fails to sell at auction, only time will tell on that one, some of the names at PARIS only sold for $300-$100, would moniker really chase someone if they only thought their name was worth a figure close to the above? I would be interested to know if anyone can help what the % is of names entered to names sold and if they is a pattern, ie more sold in PARIS compared to FLORIDA-VEGAS-NEW YORK auctions. __________________ Debt Solutions and free advice blog 2010 Ryder Cup tickets

07-08-2008, 07:04 PM	#194 (permalink)
MegaCheaperDomains New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: LI, NY Posts: 16	But, it is a real estate contract... But I know what you mean, thing is, you must sign it or name won't go in auction(s) Last edited by MegaCheaperDomains; 07-08-2008 at 08:04 PM.

07-10-2008, 09:18 AM	#196 (permalink)
advaita Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,524	What I would like to know is this - if I submit a name that is not accepted it seems to me from the contract terms that just by submitting the name I give Moniker exclusive rights to get a percentage if I sell it elsewhere, even though they rejected it. Is that the case or have I misread the clause ? I don't believe any auction house in the 'real world' gets rights to a percentage of any object you submit and which they refuse to auction. __________________ Best Selling Ebooks * Stocks and Shares * Radley Bags * Chronographs * Cameras Under $300 * How to Trade Stocks Online * Netbooksfor Kids * Geiger Counter Kits * Machetes

07-10-2008, 09:26 AM	#198 (permalink)
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07-10-2008, 09:39 AM	#199 (permalink)
*mis_chiff* goof free! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,361 Follow @mis_chiff	Does someone have a copy of the updated terms? I always thought if your names were not accepted to the Live/Silent auction, you could request removal of the submissions in writing...did that change?

07-10-2008, 01:05 PM	#200 (permalink)
Pseudo Mod NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 134 Follow @Recommendable1	I've had this post on my mind all day and this is what I've been thinking: How in the hell is the contract binding when they never physically gain possession of my signature or domain? I'll ask my lawyer, but wouldn't a consignment require a signature? Take Paypal for instance. Paypal knows that my bank has my signature agreeing to mastercard terms. Paypay> Mastercard > Bank. So when I bid or sell on eBay I am bound to those terms. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=449617 Moniker just has my word, so I'm thinking this "contract" is just a scare tactic. How are the agreements filed and if they did take legal action, how can they justify the unreasonable agreement terms? Most of the domains at Moniker are grossly over-priced, even during an economical nosedive, and they will lose loyal, high profile domain buyers if owners change their mind at the last minute for whatever reason. This contract speaks to me in circles and I can't take it seriously. __________________ IPCServer.com- 11/03/2010 Press Release iSaxony.com \| GEO domain & $1.8Billion commercial development RetailSavings.net \| Medium CPC Financial Domain FacebookMarketing.biz \| High Ad Competition Last edited by Pseudo Mod; 07-10-2008 at 01:11 PM.

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